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I mean realistically UBW is the better starting point if you don't want to start with Fate. It's not like UBW has more spoilers than Zero either.

As for the ending, I'm referring to the info regarding Angra Mainyu. This is all explained in HF, and it's pretty much expected you know it and the Grail's corruption when watching Zero's ending. Otherwise it just seems like a bunch of random events.

The tonal whiplash is a huge problem that I've seen with people who enter from F/Z. They go into F/SN expecting the same tone and all the plot points to be addressed in UBW (e.g. Sakura's situation), and then complain when that doesn't end up being the case. Zero pulls plot points from all three routes and carries the tone of HF, and it's clearly meant to be watched last.

Regarding Kiritsugu and Archer, the inverse really doesn't hold since we don't actually see Archer go down his path. There's no dramatic irony there; in contrast, we do watch Kiritsugu head towards destruction, and we're meant to have context from Archer so that we feel powerless to stop him. Gilgamesh being an extra Servant is also definitely explained, since he goes on a whole monologue about it in UBW in front of Saber.

And of course the author's intentions matter when going into a story. Would you want to start a book at the very end, just because it "clarifies" all the mysteries so you have them spoiled before going back to the beginning? It severely messes with the story the author means to tell; even if you can find enjoyment in it, it's likely not going to measure up to what you'd get from the intended viewing order. By far the safest starting point is F/SN, and it's really not that complex.

F/SN was written before Zero, whereas Zero was written with the expectation that viewers have already finished F/SN. So most of the things Zero explains are actually meant to be mysteries in F/SN. Urobuchi talks about it here:

"Urobuchi: I thought that Fate/Zero was a story you couldn't understand without playing Fate/Stay Night. Surprisingly, there are people coming to Fate through Fate/Zero. However, because it's a story that plays with the spoilers of Fate/Stay Night, unless you read stay night first there is a lot presented you won't understand or identify. That's why, for a while, I declined allowing anyone but Type-moon books to publish it."

As for Zero, some of the plot elements (e.g. the ending) won't make much sense without having read F/SN first. It also just creates a big tonal whiplash; each F/SN route is darker than the previous, and Zero keeps the tone of the final route, so going from that to UBW is very jarring to a lot of people.

One last thing about Zero is that Kiritsugu is deliberately written very similarly to F/SN's Archer. The idea is we know how Kiritsugu's path is destructive and doomed to fail (like with Archer), but the viewer is helpless to stop him. He comes close to abandoning it so many times, but unfortunately never does until it's too late and he has already lost everything. That intentional dramatic irony (similar to what you'd find in Shakespeare's tragedies) is lost when you haven't seen Archer's story beforehand.

It's not a matter of localization. I don't want to see shitty english titles splattered all across the site, I've seen it on Crunchyroll and it makes me sick. If the localized titles were all good ones then I'd have no problem with them. "Boku dake ga inai machi" doesn't mean erased and I don't want to call it as such. Bleach is Bleach is both JP and EN. I like this mix of romanized titles and english titles over all localized garbage. I know English titles are easier to pronounce and they help market anime to more people but I honestly don't care if anyone else watches it or not, if the industry grows bigger or not. It just looks gross to me. It's a matter of taste. If it was possible to toggle between the current version, one where it's all romaji, and one where it's all localized titles then that'd be cool but that would never happen. They'd reduce it down to only 2 choices just like anilist and anilist sucks for that reason. Mixed as it is far better than either of those horrible options. Some titles are just better left in its JP format.

Thanks for the reply too.

Aggretsuko has almost no merchandise compared to other Sanrio characters, and I don't think many people in Japan would want her. I was surprised that people from overseas came to Japan and didn't see any Aggretsuko merchandise. Sanrio has collaborated with quite a few anime works, but every time, Aggretsuko is left out of the lineup because she is not popular or well-known enough to be included in the collaboration. From a Japanese perspective, it's a wonder why they're so popular overseas.

Basically, I read a lot of manga. Well, I also read light novels and watch anime. Sometimes I also watch live-action works.

I think the extreme answer to why realistic anime doesn't sell is that people don't want anime that is realistic, and that there is no hope for merchandise sales. If a realistic anime is broadcasted and it is interesting, people who normally watch anime will watch it. Then there is the fact that works like Perfect Blue are more difficult to produce nowadays because visual restrictions are stricter than in the past.

In some cases, realistic manga works are more easily seen in live-action works, not anime. Medical, detective, and cooking-related works are often more interesting in live-action than in anime, and people who are not otaku and like regular dramas can also watch and enjoy them. It's a good way to get non-otaku interested in the work. Also, I don't think that reality-based works have such a good image in terms of sales of goods, and I feel that goods are not made in many different variations.

Also, I thought that stories about people gradually loving each other from loveless marriages, adultery, and cheating are more like morning and afternoon dramas.... I guess the people who like those stories are grown women who don't watch a lot of anime...

Oh, it's more of a society where it's important to emphasize the same things as everyone else rather than the individual. People with strong personalities are sometimes disliked. Well, I think it is becoming easier to find people who put the individual before the society. People often talk about the harsh working hours, but it can be totally different depending on the type of work, and not everyone is the same. I actually don't work overtime, I go home on time, and I even took a vacation last week for a trip with pay without a care in the world.

Why is Japan afraid of realism in anime? In regards to the reply to the thread of

If I reply in a thread, I might get troublesome comments, so I'll put them on my profile page.

To begin with, “Aggretsuko” is not popular in Japan, or rather, it is not as well known as it is abroad. Even some Japanese anime fans have never heard of it.

Even in this year's popularity poll of Sanrio characters, it was ranked 45th.

Stories with realistic content, such as a romantic story about a loveless marriage and its hardships, are more often adapted into live-action dramas than into anime in Japan.

Therefore, stories with realistic content related to realistic professions, such as stories set in the police force or medical-related stories based on manga, are more likely to be adapted into live-action dramas than into anime.

People who seem to watch anime in Japan don't really dislike manga works with realistic content, so it's not that they don't like them, just that they aren't being made into anime.

lmao, I guess it will remain a mystery xD

I wouldn't personally do it with a step-sibling either, but it still doesn't change the fact they are biologically not related and therefor not incestous

On top of that they didn't even grow up together developing a sibling bond, i mean, would you still call it "incest" if they got together before their parents married eachother?

I'd also say there's things way worse than step-sisters falling for eachother going on in Citrus, as weird as it sounds, this on it's own is the closest the show gets to normal, at least that's my opinion

They're step-sisters, not blood related, what am i missing here?? 😳

nice :D
have you thought of reading the manga 🤔?

Gender swaaaaappp!!!!!!! I added them to my list.

For me, I'm so busy so it works well for me. Just one episode of One Piece on a Saturday night or Sunday morning. I can't even remember the last time I binged an anime. I usually watch like 4 episodes in one sitting and that's it. Idk maybe I'm just not that passionate about anime as much as before. Well, one episode a week would be a tease but I'm caught up to the manga so I already know what's gonna happen but sometimes I forget stuff as well so the suspense is still evident. Yh Idk much about the new One Piece anime but I'm hyped and I will be there for sure.

Sabaody is a good pick for sure. It's a great blend of excellent worldbuilding, character moments, ongoing themes of prejudice and slavery, and foreshadowing a bunch of big events. I sort of made that top five on the spot but now that I think about it, Sabaody definitely should be in my top five.

Favorite arc.... That's so tough. I'll give you my top five of all time. Marineford, Water 7/Enies Lobby, Dressrosa, Arlong Park, and WCI. I get what you mean about the pacing. I've been watching week to week basically since Wano started and I was binging One Piece at a much simpler time during my life which is why I can't relate when people say something along the lines of "One Piece is unwatchable because of Toei" but I will still say that the One Piece manga is the superior medium for sure.

I think for me, Kin'emon and Momo just stuck around for too long and they became annoying... Momo more than Kin'emon tbh. Kawamatsu's backstory is very touching and I just like his design. I feel like you'll come around with Ashura Doji after you're done with Wano. That said, I cannot imagine binging it. Thank God I watched it pretty much all of it weekly.