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Well, I don't know about Islamics having more vulgar (which I consider to be a very subjective term itself) tastes, nor do I really understand why you say jokes don't count but music do, but perhaps there are language barriers preventing you from expressing yourself better, so there's probably no point persuing this further.

There might be more to it, but so much hinges on the emotions invoked in the observer that it's impossible to ignore. Can you really say someone is "wrong" to genuinely laugh at a joke that's "not funny", or vice versa? It's not exactly "your fault" for not being able to explain it well, more like it's a hard topic to explain. Plus, since I believe that for some things there isn't one right answer, you'll be hard pressed to convince me that your viewpoint is the only valid one :P

Religions evolve along with society and I think the Christianity you're talking about mostly applies to that in the developed/modern nations. I'm sure a lot of Islamic people living in developed nations also have a lot more freedom on what kind of entertainment they can have, but it's just that most developed nations in the current age have Christianity as their main religion, which is probably skewing your perspective. But consider this: it was just decade ago when many Christians frowned upon rock music as the music of the devil (some extremists probably still think so), and even more recently, some Christians called for the boycott of Phillip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy for their controversial take on institutional religion. So it's far from being an unrestrictive religion, it's just that it'd had to become less extreme in order to exist within the freedoms of modern societies.

No I don't think the music liked by the "retarded" is necessarily worse. I'm not a religious person, but I think some of the most beautiful, powerful music has come about from people devoted to religion (particularly in the earlier periods of classical music), whereas people who I think are smart don't necessarily listen to music which I think is good. Although there are technical parts to it, I think music also appeals to our primitive senses and instincts, so doesn't have a strong correlation with being "smart". And whether it appeals to a certain person depends on the personality (which is far from just "stupid mentality" - could also be whether they're introverts or extroverts, for example) and the environments they're exposed to, as well the experiences they've had. I've listened to operas from some cultures and think they sounded hideous, and yet they're held up as a high art by a lot of people from that culture, and who am I to say the music they listen to is"bad" in an absolute sense? It just doesn't appeal to me, that's all.

This is why I don't think these things have an absolute truth - a lot of the qualities are a reaction between the object and the observer, and I don't think it makes sense to judge it by itself independently of the observer.

Alright. Let me ask you one more thing though: if you believe in an absolute truth, do you then think that all subjective viewpoints can be boiled down to simply right and wrong? In other words, a joke has to be funny or not, a movie has to be boring or not?

There's a truth to the length of a PARTICULAR string, yes, but no answer to just "a string" precisely because the condition is NOT WELL DEFINED (ie which string?). Ill defined conditions leads to ambiguity, and therefore no universal truth. This is what I've been trying to get across to you.

So yes, somethings have no absolute truths. It makes sense because you need conditions to pinpoint a truth - truths are respective of these conditions, so when the conditions doesn't do that you can have many valid truths, or none at all.

What you're saying doesn't make logical sense. For there to be a truth, something has to be true, but if this something is not well defined, then we can't say whether it's true or not. There's a difference between something that exist but we don't know the value of and something simply doesn't exist. If the truth always exist, then what's the truth to "how long is a piece of string"? I'm not even asking you to prove the answer, but can you come up with an answer that's even feasible?

There can only be an absolute truth when the conditions are well defined. Because think about it - if the conditions aren't clearly defined, then whether the condition for something being "true" is met or not can't be known. For instance, if I simply hold out a piece of string to you and ask if it's long without defining a context, then there is no absolute truth any answer you give will is only applicable on the context YOU used to answer the question.

When it comes to something abstract, it gets even trickier because there is not even an agreed way of measuring qualities like "soulful", let alone an agreed qualification criteria of how much "soul" is require for a piece of music to be considered soulful. In contrast, you can at least measure the "longness" of a piece of string.

Okay, I'll note it down and read it if I have time since theology seems interesting (weird since I'm currently in an engineering class) and I might use this knowledge someday,

When it comes to opinions on art, there are no absolute truths. Things like "good" and "soulful" are unquantifiable, ill-defined qualities, and if you can't quantify it, how can there possibly exist a "correctness", a truth to an opinion? How can you "reason" your way to a truth when the same terms don't even mean exactly the same things to everyone? One opinion is just as valid as another. Since you admit you were wrong in your approach, I'll admit that I didn't go into this with a great deal of sincerity. It looked for all the world like you came to my wall spoiling for a fight and not for any meaningful discussion, so I simply responded in kind.

And that's why you do a poor job at discussing. The only thing definite about your opinion is that it's yours. It's NEVER the universal truth.

If something can be proven objectively, it's no longer an opinion. No matter how sure you are of your own opinion, it's still just YOUR OWN opinion.

If you wanted to discuss then flaming is just a dumb thing to do - you weren't "starting" a discussion at all, but a flame war. And it's also dumb to act as though your own opinions is somehow the definitive one.

Well I'm a R.C. though I wasn't really religious from the start but my Parents always go to church every Sunday (till now) and since I'm overly disciplined by them I just need to follow them since for me it's also a day where I could rest my head thinking of a lot of problems about school.


aside from that, are you planning to watch Gintama? and Good night again (...)

Miura was a creative overseer. The reason why there was that huge break in chapter releases during the manga is because he was with the film crew the whole time, pouring his energy into the project. He said this himself. And then everyone complained when he came back with the Guts' childhood mini-arc which I thought was fantastic! Eagerly awaiting Rickert's entry into Griffith's haven in the next couple of chapters.

As for the score, I absolutely adore Hirasawa, but I'll be the first to admit that the film score, especially when taking into consideration the second film's OST, is so fitting and epic. The best example being the Passionate version of the Blood and Guts Suite here:



And as for the whole budget argument, all I'm saying is this: Don't blame the studio. It's not up to the director, screenplay writer, etc. how much money gets poured into these productions, meaning what is cut out of the story and what makes it in is a corporate struggle. I think with what was alotted to them in terms of time and money they've done an excellent job thus far and really are keeping the spirit of Berserk alive and well and for that I commend them greatly.

And hey, it seems you're a glutton for hardcore, anti-Hollywood films such as myself. And in that case I couldn't recommend to you more The End of Evangelion. I'm not even sure how that movie made it into Japanese theaters, but it did, and they didn't skimp on budget. You should defs check it out.