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im shinji type...

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I'm gonna address two points of yours and I hope I can put this discussion behind me after that.

Is this discussion that much of a burden? Just in case - no hard feelings here, this is all in good fun. I just figured you'd be up for a conversation since I saw your response to some other reviewer about Trigun (very well written response btw and I agree with almost all of it).
Either way, that's fine.

I'm not sure if you remember most of the movie, tho I will not blame you, since it sucked. It looked bad all the way from Asuka and Mari's Fights with the Eva Series to the very ending of Gendo and Shinji's therapy session. that's 40 minutes of content and most of that was CGI. Rei Head, and All of that crap. All of it looked bad. like I said, if it were supposed to produce an effect, the only effect it produced was being an unintentional parody.
Compare Asuka's fight with the Eva Series from End of Evangelion to Evangelion 3.0+1.0. One of them still looks fantastic to this day and the other looks horrible even by 2000s CGI standards. There's been better utilization of CGI in Mamoru Oshii's "Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence" and that came out in 2004.

I never said that it lived up to EoE, it did not. In fact, I think this is probably the weakest rebuild film on a technical level when it comes to its action (I think it's the most fair to compare it to other entries in the Rebuild series).
Nor did I say it was the best utilization of CGI, it's not.

But I think it's absurd to suggest that Asuka and Mari's fights look just as bad as Shinji vs Gendo which has a clear visible difference of having CGI that looked like it didn't even finish rendering. Even in the trailer it stuck out like sore thumb to the point I thought it was a troll that's not gonna be in the final cut... Hence why there's clearly intent behind it that's pretty easy to figure out because of the locations in which that fight takes place and the context of it within the film.


I think my assumption of the subtext of the ending is not unwarranted in the slightest, given the fact that Mari has ZERO character flaws. This is a problem not only for the character but this also flips the message on its head. When End of Evangelion ended, we - the audience already knew that Shinji's relationship with Asuka was going to have major problems. Yet, because of the story-telling preceeding it we could hope that they could learn to improve themselves.
With Mari, having no flaws whatsoever, there is no implication of any problems carrying on. It's a downright fan-fiction level ending to the story with the main character getting the girl that couldn't ever do anything wrong. It's unrealistic and it doesn't make sense but that's not even the core of the issue. It makes it so Shinji doesn't have to struggle or experience any kind of emotional pain anymore. That makes it insulting to anyone who watched the original series and thought about it.

Please don't force me defend Mari as a character since I do think she sucks. Her one flaw was that she was a thrill seeker and loved piloting Evas.. Which were wished away by the end of the film.. Anyway, I don't know where I was going with this.
Regardless, I think the message came through well enough, even if you can poke holes in the way it's presented (which sounds pretty fair). I guess we can agree to disagree on this.

First let me make clear that I've been a fan of NGE since before the rebuilds came out, so I always saw them as very secondary anyways. And I agree that they're dumbed down and I have trouble with them regardless.
The reason they were made certainly had to do with cash, but I'm also happy they were made since it kept the franchise alive and it trained new animators and indirectly lead to the creation of other anime.

That aside, I'm all for being critical of the rebuilds (I am myself), but I like to try my best to do it fairly.

The Last hour of this Film being Especially Attrocious. The only saving grace of the final hour of this Film were Gendo's Flashbacks. That's it. Those 10-15 minutes were the only good part.
However pretty much everything else going on was incredibly retarded. The CGI Fight Scenes looked Terrible. The plot made absolutely no sense. And the 3D Rei Head looked so fucking attrocious that I was laughing at how bad this entire film was.

It actually does make more sense than I initially thought (I also thought it made very little sense when I watched it).
But that aside, most of the last hour was a huge call back to episodes 25 and 26 of the series - characters having therapy sessions together and hashing out their issues. It did feel overbearing to me since there was a ton of dialogue back to back and I also just think it's a little inappropriate for a film which is supposed to be more visual than tv (those episodes were a compromise anyway, so it's weird to have a callback to that).
The ugly CGI fights between Shinji and Gendo seemed intentionally ugly since Anno was going for an artificial look at that point in the film and made it look like it was being filmed in a studio (which is why there are card board props in the background and they were moving from one movie set to the next). Same thing with the Rei head, it was all part of the meta and the imaginary mixing with reality which became a thing towards the end of the film, not that that makes it any less ugly.

And lastly, I think the Ending Scene really cemented this movie as fan-pandering dogshit. They could've easily replaced Mari with Asuka for that scene (since this movie already made no fucking sense) or they could've simply killed her off and maybe I would've appreciated it more.
But alas. Mari is the only thing you need to know about to know why this new franchise is terrible. And that ending drives that point home.

It couldn't have been Asuka, since in an earlier scene they established that they're not right for each other. Also Asuka is already taken by Kensuke at this point.
Mari is a symbol of finding new relationships and not being overly dependent on your current ones which (I think) was the central theme of the rebuild series. Every "impact" that happens comes as a result of that, including the one in 3.0 + 1.0. That's why it immediately made sense to me that it was Mari, despite them having only 2 and a half scenes together in the entire series (since that's exactly the reason why). These film are not meant to be seen as a romance, if they were, it would've made the most sense for him to hook up with Kaworu lol.

Btw, I just noticed your 3.0 + 1.0 review and I think it's slightly off. Do you mind if I give you a different perspective?
Also what is your opinion on the Rebuilds in general?

Yeah, I was just surprised by your taste which is not common among your age group these days.
But then again, my taste was very similar to what it is today when I was your age (anime and the fandom were different back then though). So you're right, it doesn't really matter.

Hi. Can't help but compliment your Trigun analysis. I only read points 1 and 2 and that was enough for me to see that you understood it. Great job and good analytical skills.
Finally, someone with brains on this website lol.

Also amazing taste! Are you really that young? :-o

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Hello, kypt_1747.

I read your review about 3.0+1.0. I felt the same way. Glad to know we both cherished EOE. I wrote it, too.

https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=412876

I appreciate the time you put in your responses, but I'm not really interested in having a back and forth on Trigun. The one point I will acknowledge is regarding the 'too fucking dreary' claim. This seems like an odd counterpoint considering your profile pic. I understand that not all shows can embody a purely solemn tone -- ala Texhnolyze, Shigurui, LotGH, Berserk, etc. -- but a realistic balance needs to be discovered. FMA (2003) does an exceptional job of challenging the viewer on emotional and philosophical levels w/out coming off as too complex, esoteric, or obscure. It's exciting from beginning to end and presents challenges that feel palpable and dire -- all while remaining fun for audiences to watch. FMAB, on the other hand, tips the scale too far in the 'enjoyment/silliness' perspective that it distances itself from reality and prevents the audience from commiserating w/ the characters.

Of course, it's a fine line...shows like HxH dance on it with style and bravado; whereas Trigun has no sense of orientation, becoming a mess of quirkiness, hackneyed tropes, and false complexity.