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Interessante Sichtweise. Mein größtes Problem ist tatsächlich, dass Yangs Pläne zu oft funktionieren und irgendwann das Ganze vorhersehbar wird und manche Plotentwicklungen im späterem Verlauf leicht erzwungen wirken. Es ist natürlich Meckern auf hohem Niveau und überhaupt nicht vergleichbar mit Serien wie Code Geass wo das Writing durchgehend miserabel ist, aber bei dem hohen Qualitätsstandard der Serie fallen halt die Mängel mehr auf.

Ich würde zwar auch sagen, dass die Charaktere auf der Seite des Imperiums mir mehr zusagen, aber dass der Cast größtenteils flach ist, stimme ich überhaupt nicht zu. Gerade intrigante, korrupte Charaktere wie Rubinsky oder Trunicht sind spannend zu verfolgen.

Wo ich dir aber zustimmen kann, ist dass die drei von dir genannten Charaktere auch meine Lieblingsfiguren sind. Habe Hilda auf 1 und ja ihre Beziehung zu Reinhard ist großartig.

Und ich liebe die gelegentlichen Kommentare des Erzählers wie Ereignisse oder Charaktere der Serie in der Zukunft wahrgenommen werden und wie generell dem Thema "Geschichte" Bedeutung beigemessen wird.

Hi, was sind deine Eindrücke von LoGH?

Ja ich stimm dir zu. Die Serie führt halt gefühlt in jeder Folge einen random Konflikt ein, der schnell am Ende der Folge abgehandelt wird. Das gleiche gilt für die flachen Backgroundstories von Yuzuki oder Hinata. Das mit Hinata hab ich vom reinen Schauen gar nicht mal richtig kapiert. Musste das Nachlesen und selbst jetzt finde ich diesen ganzen Konflikt und ihre Reaktion albern. Dass man wegen sowas die Schule verlässt ist imo schwach und macht sie zu einer unsympathischen Göre und die Art wie die Serie mit ihren ehemaligen Mitschülern umgegengen ist, hat mir überhaupt nicht gefallen. Generell strahlt halt vor allem Shirase solch eine Arroganz aus.

Auch die Geschichte der Mutter war schwach geschrieben und hat mich nicht berührt. Da hilft auch das viele Heulen der Figuren nicht (auch wenn man die Tracks in der Serie loben kann).

Wofür steht CGDCT? Davon hab ich noch nie gehört.

Hi. Ich sehe, dass du A place Further than the Universe auch nicht gut fandest. In deinen Tags schreibst du, dass die Konflikte schlecht aufgelöst werden. Meinst du damit im speziellen die Sache mit Hinata und ihren Freunden oder generell die Backstories der Charaktere. Ich denke dass wir beide ähnliche Kritikpunkte zur Serie haben, würde aber gern konkret wissen, was dein Eindruck vom Anime ist. Ich selbst hasse zum Beispiel die 4 Mädchen (allen voran Hinata und Shirase).

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Hey! First of all, I apologise for the late reply - I actually just finished my second-hand re-read of Katawa Shoujo after my brother played it (he's also your friend on MAL I think, Redinfinity?) and now my thoughts are more cemented than ever. I will try keep it short though!

I also want to thank you for your amazingly well-written message, you went leaps and bounds beyond what was necessary and I appreciate that. It just shows you what kind of people appreciate Katawa I suppose! :)

In general, I have to confirm your thoughts on Katawa Shoujo as a whole. At the time of writing this, I have read roughly 10 VNs, and while I know this isn't a lot, it certainly does feel like a sizeable amount! Visual novels can be monsters to read through, especially when you are a completionist such as myself. Atm my brother is reading Umineko, and I'm sure you know how gruelling of a read this can be. Katawa is succinct, digestible, yet impactful. Moreover, being primarily focused on Romance, I just cannot see why anyone would want to spend any more time on these individual stories. It will eventually lose it's charm. However, 7-8 hours per story is perfect. Just enough time to properly develop the characters, bring in some drama and intimacy and then finish! It makes the reader want to savour the experience rather than it be diluted. I can't tell you how enjoyable this was for me. I always find that when a VN drags beyond the 50-hour mark, it just cannot justify its length anymore. I mean, that's equivalent to, what, a 120-episode anime? That's absurd! Even LOGH is shorter than that haha

I also agree on how Katawa broke the mould with how it tackled disability. None of the girls in question ever felt disabled. Their disability mainly acted as the backdrop of the character, and may I say it often acted as a means of propagating character development. I mean, what a great idea it was to make the setting a disabled school! It breaks away from the typical school story and gives so much allure to how each character has learned to live with their ailment and how they have become stronger because of it. Incredible.

Now quickly on each girl's stories. Firstly, Emi. My god, I could so easily replay this story again. It just never got old! The chemistry between Hisao and Emi, the plot and the development was unreal. Like you say Hisao was the healthiest here and personally, it reminded me of my life a lot. Being a serious runner (something that only began recently while in Med School as a way to keep fit), I went through so many of Hisao's inner monologues myself and it was just so relatable. The conclusion of this story was epic as well. Pretty flawless honestly, I wouldn't have changed much from this. The nurse and Emi's mum were fantastic side characters who both nurtured and challenged the protagonists. Ranging from laugh-out-loud to bawl-worthly, this easily jumped from and 8.5 -> 9 for me. In some ways, it might be my favourite enjoyment-wise!

Hanako's story, is, as you say, also pretty flawless. Unbelievably realistic but dreadful to read. Not many characters have truly encompassing debilitating social anxiety as in Hanako's case study. The only 'issue' I have with it is just that, it's dreadful to read. A bit unpleasant in all the right ways and very much a far cry to Emi's arc. But like you say, an exquisitely deep tale and is a classic on its own. I still don't know about the intimate scene in the end. This was very morally grey and I appreciate that, but again it just took away from the unadulterated joy I felt in Emi's story. Anyhow, I'm rambling now. An easy 8/10 for me which stayed true to my first read.

Now, Lilly. I must say after reading what you wrote I initially did not fully agree. However, on re-read... you stand correct. Now, Lilly is still such a lovely character but I just feel that the development wasn't quite like it other 3 main stories. Lilly pretty much stayed true to her beliefs and values in life and had a pretty clearly laid path ahead of her (bar the family dilemma). I also agree that Hisao here was just too soft, although it must be pretty difficult getting aggressive against a person like Lilly, wouldn't you say? Finally, it was pretty saccharine looking back, and the whole ending was pretty Fairytale-like and felt more like watching a Hollywood Blockbuster than reading an intimate tale written by a small group of people. Still very good in my opinion as a whole, but definitely dropped down a score for me. From an 8.5 -> 7.5.

Now about Rin. What else can I say? I think that what you wrote about her hit the nail squarely on the head. This certainly is the most high-art story of them all. It transcended its medium in all regards and is totally distinct from the rest in my opinion. Moreover, this story has not just the brilliant good ending, but the equally excellent 'neutral' or 'true' ending, which makes it feel less helplessly optimistic compared to the other tales. I mean, in the other stories the neutral/bad endings may be skipped (?) but in Rin's the neutral only added to the subtlety and complexity of the characters and their circumstances. This arc could honestly be made into a live-action Arthouse Indie film and win awards, I'm sure of it! While it was also a little bit (purposefully) frustrating at times with how Rin cannot be understood, I felt it was so organically written and so intrinsically tied to her character that it worked. Of course, she would be frustrating to watch. But, her development in the end made it so worth it, whether she decided to change as in her good ending, or whether she decided to stay truest to her values. Unreal. 10/10 And of course, Rin's arc contains the greatest quote of them all:
Gets me every time man.

Oh, still screw Shitzune's path. Told my brother to skip it obviously. I do sort of see that story as just a side-arc though, and something to read if you somehow still feel that you want to experience more from Katawa. Otherwise, easy skip.

Overall score For Katawa Shoujo: 8.5/10!

All in all, I don't think I added much to what you wrote and I apologise for that. I feel you write prose better than I do! Thank you once again for writing what you did and if you have any more fleeting thoughts I would be pleased to read them.

Intelos :)

Hey man! Just wanted to send you a meesage regarding VNs since I've just recently started getting into them. I checked out your VNDB and noticed how much you loved Katawa Shoujo. I am In the process of reading it myself and I absolutely adore it.

Just wanted to hear if you could share more thoughts on Katawa Shoujo in general and in particular Rin's story and why you gave it a 10. I honestly felt that it was also pretty much perfect and agree that it is best route. Also, how come did you give Lilly's story only a 5? I thought it had great progression and Lilly herself was wonderful! Personally, I would rank Emi 8/10, Hanako 8/10, Lilly 8.5/10, Rin 9.5/10 and sadly reading Shizune and pretty disappointed, would give it a 5/10 at best.

I feel Katawa is somehow underappreciated and not talked about enough anymore. When it's good it's truly great! Keen to read your thoughts :)

Thanks for accepting!
Nice to meet you :)

Ja musste den nochmal eintragen. dachte eigentlich der wäre bei second season dabei gewesen, weil der im torrent dabei war. Würde sagen das war so der beste Arc nach Nadeko.

Ich muss mal den Manga lesen. Aktuell schau ich halt die zweite Staffel und bis jetzt ist die schon sehr gut. Eigentlich hasse ich alles was mit Wikingern zutun hat aber Vinland Saga ist angenehmerweise nicht so wie alles andere, was ich damit assoziiere.

ist Grave of the Fireflies wirklich so schlecht? Ich hab neulich erst darüber nachgedacht den Film endlich mal zu schauen.

Die Aussage im Bezug zur Punpun und Manga war eher eine Aussage die ich wegen Manga getroffen habe und nicht wegen Punpun. Ich find Punpun nicht großartig aber es hat schon einen Grund warum ich den Manga nicht bewertet habe anstatt ihn schlecht zu bewerten. Ich bewerte eigentlich allles außer Filme die mir meine Liste zumüllen, wie die Conan filme und Sachen, die ich aus verschiedenen Gründen nicht bewerten möchte. Meistens weil ich mich nicht mehr gut genug daran erinnere oder ich keine Bewertung geben kann, die sich für mich gerecht anfühlt. Ich hab Punpun nicht aufmerksam genug verfolgt, um es in meinen Augen bewerten zu können, da ich den Eindruck hatte, dass Punpun durchaus interesant genug wäre um es nochmal in der Zukunft zu lesen als es schlecht zu bewerten und damit abzuhaken. Wenn ich sagen müsste was mich wirklich an Punpun gestört würde ich sagen, dass der Manga an einigen Stellen sehr überzeichnet ist und teilweise sehr zu Misery porn wird.

Keine Ahnung ob Manga nicht mein Medium ist aber ich hab jetzt punpun beendet und nicht das Gefühl wirklich aufmerksam beim lesen gewesen zu sein.

Holic hat sehr wenig mit Tsubasa zutun, ungefähr so viel wie Cardcaptor Sakura mit Tsubasa zutun hat. Ich fand den damals gut aber ich habe das gelesen, als ich 16 war oder so. Ist also schon einige Jahre her. Heutzutage kann ich zu vielen Dingen nicht mehr so viel sagen, weil ich mich nicht mehr dran erinnere. Die erste Hälfte hab ich als nett in erinnerung die zweite als eher durchwachsen.

Warum schaust du den Tsubasa Chronicle Anime?