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Ohhhhh look whose finally back online.

Deb trivia: This was the first profile pic I ever had on MAL back in 2019. Welcome back Mr Shindou.

+ Finally got around to finishing Raw Hero. Took a bit, but I thought it was pretty solid - ending a little underwhelming though! Regardless, seems it wasn't your cup of tea.

I like Chi-Chi silly! Hold on I still need to reply on Whatsapp. Hold on..

I don't remember despite hearing it on occasion when taking screen shots for pictures When they separate and Hino does his regular voice for Yuji its really emotional and not just because the choice of dialogue when they part ways but because you can truly hear the change back to the regular Yuji we all loved and cheered for in season 1 and 2Its one of the most famous ecchi anime out there

https://myanimelist.net/anime/8074/Highschool_of_the_DeadI live in Sweden and he lives in France but might be still be in Greece for summer since he has family there
I remember you live in the US but where exactly? It most likely doesn't count as sex, think the way Denizens are, they probably just merge their vessels together and either become one new being of existence like Justus or if it creates a new being not connected and being their child. But in my head canon I consider it sex since it feels good and achieves the same goal based off the little we know
It is weird we never see a Denizen being the daughter or son of a famous Denizen from the past unless we count the Trinity for Snake of the Festival who considers them his children and at the very least Hecate has to be some kind of divine being related to Snake since she the collector of their hopes and dreams for the wish and is always reborn I hope it was something really dumb and funny like this from the show


or something cool related with Accelerator

Dantallion being cringe I think is how I prefer it, dude basically hated by everyone and only tolerated because he such a valuable asset, I know watchers usually find him annoying even in Japanese but I find it really funny and over top when you compare him to the rest of the cast with the exception of maybe Marchosias which really drives in why he generally hated by everyone

Carey Bruce as Snake of the Festival makes me almost just throw up by how bad it is, of course you can't compare the greatness of Hayami Show with his perfect villain voice which demands you respect him but the dub voice is the most opposite of that, dude sounds like he just faking it the whole time Those people should watch both versions of HOTD, I once put on my DVD and had the dub on with the Japanese subs and holy fuck how I couldn't stop laughing at how much they had changed just for one episode Thats funny to hear, usually if someone says Psalm of the Grand Order I need a second to remember thats Taimei Shihen they talking about Yeah is thankfully translated now, when I listened to it it wasn't translated but I didn't mind, was just nice hearing the characters again and especially with other characters I like, J.C. STAFF animates both of their anime so think its a shame the gacha game company didn't get them to animate it so its like the anime

Word of warning btw, if you start doing research into To Aru you might be falling into a deep abyss of a rabbit hole, author been writing that LN for 20 years and still going strong along with co-writing around 4 or 5 spin-off LNs/manga Still think it was dick move of Yuji to say she should forget about him if she could yet he still comes back to the city asking for her help due to the Tuning near the end I should read his explanation too lol, Ill try when Im not being lazy

Yeah yeah, always nice to meet fellow fans, especially when they bring in a new perspective so Im glad you reached out to me.
I remember back then and most likely still now even Pincers doesn't agree with my interpretation that in the anime original ending of season 1 that Yuji and Hecate had sex based off how Sydonay called it dirty for them to touch vessels along with how merging Johan's and Phele's vessels is what created Justus
Doesn't help Hecate be making moans with this face


the 3 of us should try having a voice call on discord at some point if you have discord and talk about the show

Yeah Im not a fan of the dub either, Funimation only has like 3 or 5 good voice actors and the rest is trash, don't think any of the good voice actors were picked for Shana either from what I can recall but I watched the commentaries just cause I had them and thought since they tried playing the characters they could have deep insights which they did not, I don't remember which episode commentary it is but they start complaining that fans thinking DVDs and Blurays are expensive just ignoring they're hard work. But don't want to hear that from trash Funimation honestly where Ive had them have wrong subs or out of sync subs the rest of the episode because 3 characters talked at the same time one time like my Shana Bluray or such as other DVDs when they accidentally put the OP song on the ED visuals for the special features Ive lost count how many times Ive been pissed off seeing a hater on the how criticising the show because the voice acting bad but they watched it in dub. Im sorry but the dub should never be what you judge for any show. Is it good if the dub is of respectable quality? Yes of course thats a bonus but you shouldn't critic a show for the voice acting when it has no relevance to the true art piece and is just an altercation I have fond memories of Eclipse & Static subs even if some minor fuck ups because you could see they were purists in intention of the writers in the best way they could be when given the chance Yeah they aren't terrible but I just never enjoy recap type episodes, feels like the writers questioning my ability to pay attention on what I watched just moments ago
I know there was a 2 year wait for season 2 but still annoys me Ive completely missed those audio dramas if they exists, they've never appeared when searching Shana on YT for myself which I search up very often
If could find them Id give them a listen, Ive never touched a gacha game unless we count Master Duel for Yugioh but I watched this when my third favourite series had a collab with Shana in its gacha game


well more so just listened to it because fuck those game visuals trash as fuck

Speaking of Japan getting everything good. I was super jealous a few months ago when they had this in Japan


If Mami had been there too with Kotoko Id have said its the greatest missed opportunity of my life Does she feel like that in a lower extent with Wilhelmina since she was still in love with Merihim who loved Mathilde or does that never come up when thinking of Wilhelmina? Being well versed in shojo manga makes that even more surprising to be honest
I know Americans usually very super fixated on 18 but thats usually just when talking about girls being too young
Age of consent in my own country is 15 but honestly just ignoring he 16 I feel like moment is super well earned, really emotional and makes sense in terms of how their dynamic had been built up

Hey, no problem, and agreed.
I've known Deknijff for a long time. The first time we voice chatted, we talked about Shana for 2.5 hours straight, haha.
Yeah, being an English-speaking Shana fan is painful. The LN was licenced in English in a time when people in the west didn't know/care about LNs yet, so it flopped and stopped after 2 volumes. I'm 99% sure if the Shana LN was licenced a couple years later, we'd have a fully translated story by now. And we've had no luck with fan translations. A year ago, the person translating the Hidan no Aria LN also started translating Shana, so hopefully he continues (currently half-way through Vol.2). But because he has 3 translation projects going on, it takes time.

Regarding the anime's original content, overall, I don't have too much of a problem with it. Of course, it would have been better without, but considering the era Shana came out, with so many anime having anime-original content, Shana's is comparatively quite decent. Regardless of my thoughts on it, I will at least always respect how they somehow managed to connect 3 seemingly independent anime-online plot points (S1's climax, Fumina, S2's climax) and, for the most part, make it coherent. I remember being positively surprised how, the massive amount of Power of Existence released in S1's climax actually became relevent in S2's climax when awakening Tyrant II and Statue of Pride, same for Fumina. The plot points themselves might not be fantastic, but I respect the work done to connect them. Especially since Shana's anime wasn't originally planned to continue (they didn't anticipate how popular the anime would be, which is why they had S1's anime-only finale, as a sort of big climax to end it off). Unfortunatelly, as far as I understand it, the anime had drifted too far away from the LN, so putting S2 back of course was tricky (it still doesn't excuse so much of S2 being just fluff, imo).


To my understanding:

Tyrant I was implanted into the Reiji Maigo by Sabrac, as a way to secure the Reiji Maigo for when the time came to complete the Psalm, since its infinite energy output would fuel Snake's substitute body (used as the heart).


Tyrant II was meant to be used to house Snake's consciousness, and it needed to collect emotions and behaviors to make it stable, I think? At base, Tyrant II is a creation, an object, so it doesn't have anything.

Fumina Konoe also gathered emotions, but I believe there's a difference. No matter how much data Tyrant II absorbed, it could never become a true "living being", nor have a will of its own; it would always remain "a thing", "an object", "a tool". Meanwhile, Fumina's absorption of emotions allowed her to progressively became her own person. As S2 progressed, Fumina became less and less robotic, could hold proper conversations, hand out with others, and, while subtle and subdued, had her likes and dislikes (ex: the birds). Essentially, Fumina gained a will of her own (to some extent, since she's still linked to Hecate). That's why Fumina was used as "the brain", because Tyrant II couldn't serve that purpose, since it wouldn't be able to hold onto those emotions and do something with them.

The Statue of Pride was supposed to be the exoskeleton, the "skin", of the substitude body. Snake's body would be in Tyrant II, which itself was inside the Statue. Perhaps because Snake's real body is gigantic, having Snake's substitute body also be gigantic was "befitting" of him. For Dantalion, the Statue also had the added effect of experimenting the creation of a Denizen outside the Crimson Realm, which would normally be impossible. "Our Lord would inhabit the body of a Denizen, one of our kind", was perhaps the self-evident idea for Bal Masque. Then I guess Snake decided "Never mind, I'll inhabit that Mystes instead. He's not a Denizen, but he will work."


That's my interpretation.
I hope maybe that answers some of your questions.

Hello!
Sorry, I missed your first message.
I'd love to discuss about Shana, as well. It's up there in my favourite pieces of fiction ever, in spite of its apparent flaws.
From the comments you gave to each season on your MAL, I assume you've read the LN?

Since we talking so much about it I was reminded of this from my Bluray commentary on season 3

Sorry its camrip quality but I couldn't find it on YT so it was just faster to record on my phone and upload like this I tried skimming through episode 23 and 24 of season 2 but I couldn't find a scene like that honestly so Im starting to wonder if the subs different or somethingAh after rewatching the show with the context of season 3 Ive always just assumed Effigy of Pride was meant to serve the exact purpose Yuji ended up serving, like building up moral for the Tomogara, help find the weak spot on earth that would lead to their pathway inside the rift and then having a body strong enough to fight if need be like how Yuji is constantly fighting Again I don't see it like extra work, before Yuji was even on the table they were building up to creating an Avatar to help Snake of the Festival enact his will on the world, I think the Tyrant and Effigy of Pride would just be that so they could do everything without Yuji I still think they'd need to into the rift since its the body of the God which is needed to do the divine power
The body dying was a shame but after waiting 3000 years I don't think a small set back would anger them too much and they'd just start from the best last safe point with the data and materials they had gathered, luckily for Bal Masqué Yuji ended up joining them after talking with Snake of the Festival which made things go much smother since he could just make a Flame Haze contract with a person he had a heart to heart with
At least thats my reading, I remember my friend GoldenPincer mentioned once the merge Yuji and Snake does isn't a Flame Haze contract like everyone else in the series but I can't remember the difference he mentioned, I should ask him on discord if I see he free You give me too much credit man, if anything Im feeling like you know the material way better than me right now in the moment with how fixated on this one part of the show you are but Ive never given much thought and just rolled with it

Ah my bad sorry, I felt it was stuff I had already gave my thoughts on
Could you quote the parts you feel I haven’t answered to a satisfying conclusion?

That's a shame to hear, Id never care about how hard it is to recommend a series when thinking score, what I think of is my enjoyment, what it makes me feel/think emotionally or how it uses elements Ive seen from other series be they older or newer than the work
I do agree though that Shana isn't easily recommended to casual viewers despite me constantly pushing it down the throats of friends because its high concept fantasy and multilayered characters which is why it really stands out to me
I have season 2 as a 9 despite loving it to death because I just hate those 2 first episodes that are essentially recap episodes which I hate as much as I hate the musical episodes of any sitcom Thats kind of funny considering all the stuff Center Hill did and then the rest of the 4 Gods sitting and talking about helping Shana before the final battle I don't mind that part but agree it could be better, If only Eternal Song was adapted so we see what Tempa Josai actually does and which part is needed to do the sacrifice for divine power like with Hecate and Snake or Rofocale and Shaher instead of making the viewer think just summoning Alastor is Tempa Josai in of itself I still want Shana S as it is, especially the last 2 episodes I think are really important in showing not only Shana in a unique stage of her life for us the viewer to see but it also shows the true state of how the Denizens effect just the common person in the world beyond us just being told like the start of season 1. I get super emotional at this scene


after all the build up of how they fell in love and their struggle to reach that point and for her mom to accept their relationship just for it be completely forgotten by everyone the moment Shana lets go of the torch. Not to say the part with Hirai-san isn't important but when Yuji has this moment in season 3

which is super important in order to see his concern for his own family and friends I always think of that scene from SI hope for you my brother, Im still hoping on a anniversary OVA that covers stuff after season 3 since it exists in the LNs but Im too lazy to read even if it is translated >_<
Just hate reading because I can never visualise something in my head when reading a description in a regular book format How people can hate on Yoshida is beyond me, she so thoughtful and always thinking of others and their feelings
Shame to hear that about Yuji but I can see from a women's perspective he looks like a really toxic boyfriend but am surprised by the Margery thing honestly

Knowing what I know now Id say you aren't wrong but tbh when I marathoned everything as teenager I felt I understood everything in terms of how the anime connects the plot points, of course you miss things on a character level like with the Four Gods of the Earth but I never in my mind figured stuff from the LN was missing or were changed when I viewed the anime first or second time watching
Your GF's fav character in the show btw?I don't remember Dantallion every saying they'd be targeted by all the Flame Hazes just for the creation of a Denizen on earth, what scene does he say that?I still hate this scene so much


Like that scene only there to shock the viewer but adds nothing to the series like the first scene in season 1 that adds tension, Im not not even sure that scene in the gif can possibly happen in the anime, since it would have to happen after this moment


But anime makes it so the Flame Haze retreats and Yuji takes a back seat since Snake of the Festival's real body needs to rest and episode 15 starts with them having reached a safe distance away The whole plan with the Tyrant/Effigy of Pride never really bothers me, like I just see it as a failed plan to create a Avatar for Snake of the Festival and after Yuji fulfilled that role there was no point in looking back since Yuji had access to everything they needed or wanted


Sorry for taking forever to respond btw, I sat down to reply like 2 or 3 times before this but felt too tired because got home from work or had to prepare things for Yugioh at locals since am a volunteer who holds tournaments and that ate up like a lot of free time, then Netflix also dropped like all new episodes of Kimi ni Todoke which I waited 13 years for to finally come out so I watched all that in 2 sittings

I don't know, I've just always had some kind of affinity for her. Thought she was cute as a kid, and the couples scenes of her in DBZ surprisingly didn't annoy me too much...though I wish she still had some of that sweetness from the original Dragon Ball. Besides that I guess Piccolo would be my favourite from Dragon Ball - I just have a spare 'favourites' space really, no other character really came to mind, but I may change it.

Chichi's picture on here is soo gross. I've sent soo many other ones but they never accent 'em..hm.

I think socrates said that one already... as I quote "thoust shalt not be a faggot" its in one of his tablets IIRC.
The lions got him that night.