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Ah cool, quelqu'un qui aime Tatami Galaxy, ça fait plaisir à voir ^^
Sinon je viens d'un club francophone, ça te dirait de nous rejoindre ?
On a des petits jeux sur le forum, des tournois anime et manga, des simulwatchs, un serveur Minecraft et plein d'autres activités :)
Hésite pas à faire un tour !
Sur ce, j'arrête de t'embêter ^^
Language of art is as readable as any other human language, which is the point of it. Art is about communicating ideas, not assigning whatever meaning you want to it. And until you are able to understand that I don't see the point of continuing this conversation. Have a good day.
If Homura was truly a complex character, and not an inconsistent one, you would have no trouble explaining it. Just because something may be inherently complex doesn't mean it can't be told in a simple way. Digestion is a very complex process if you look at it from a chemical perspective, but can be explained using only a few words.
If you can't explain something simply, then you are the one who needs an explanation.
If you decide to reply, please refrain from talking about stuff you have absolutely no knowledge of.
Movie contradicting the series' themes has absolutely nothing to do with "magical/scientific principles", it has to do with the primary idea that the work is trying to present. If you write an altruistic, brave character that consistently acts as one, but then randomly turns into a demonic psychopath, that's inconsistent writing and self-contradictory move, not magical principles. Rules of the world are an essential part of the worldbuilding, and serve as a way of setting base lines of reality in fiction. So in a sense, it isn't even possible to play on my possible "lack of knowledge" in magical principles, because essentially, a show has to BUILD ones to rely on them. Madoka's had certain rules, but none of them implied extreme personality changes.
And yes, it IS masturbation. It's floating symbols that serve no purpose. I triple dare you to find me the undergoing theme hidden behind the Cake Song. That entire sequence had no backgound or explanation, no thematic or technical purpose, or anything of that sort. It's just a "cool" idea for the visual, same as the rest of the movie up until the climax. And no, the word you are looking for is convoluted, not complex. A complex show is a one that ties together numerous concepts and plot threads, not a loosely-tied bunch of ideas that are made hard to follow for the sake of it.
To begin with, End of Evangelion serves not only as a continuation of the show, but as a conclusion to one, which is what the TV series didn't have. It may have had a thematic punchline in those final two episodes, but it didn't conclude by any means. So however you decide to look at it, the existence of EoE isn't and cannot be redundant. It ties together with the rest of the plot perfectly, gives us all the answers that we needed but still makes us search for them beneath the subtext, supports the ideas of the TV ending and explores them further on its own. Madoka's Rebellion does neither. It aims to continue a series that has already concluded, it barely has anything cohesive in terms of writing and ideas and has barely anything to offer aside from a twist that, on itself, wasn't good.
Now, I see why you think that my criticism would be applicable to both, but let me show you why you are wrong. Sure, on the surface, they are both very stylized, hard-to-follow narratives with several mindblowing twists going on. However, one actually has a story that isn't only a set-up for the twist. Here it seems to me you kind of confused "complexity" with "having no story at all." End of Evangelion has several plot threads from the TV series it's trying to solve, and does so in a way that it expects some investment from the viewer. It doesn't flat-out give you all the answers on paper, but lets you figure out and interpret some of it on your own, which is a respectable move, and partly the reason it's discussed to this day.
Madoka, on the other hand, has no story to continue, so it tries to pull one out of a thin air, and fails miserably in its attempt. It has around an hour of runtime where nothing significant happens until we learn that Homura was just following on and was aware of the set up this entire time. And that hour is filled to the brim with SHAFT's stylish wankery, like the entire cake song sequence that serves no purpose aside from being "creepy", and is completely out of place. And then it tries to pull out that Usual Suspects-like twist, but fails laughably. The reason being is that, in The Usual Suspects, we are told the story from a witness' perspective and have no foreknowledge of anything that has happened. The twist works because the entire concept of the story was made to manipulate the audience. But in Madoka, we actually KNOW what the story is about, how it went and how it concluded, we know all the characters and are very familiar with their morals and know what the general idea is. So turning Homura into the main villain is ridiculous because we could never see it coming, especially considering the fact she was exactly the opposite in the show. It's possibly the greatest ass-pull of a twist in all of anime, and its biggest problem is that straight-up contradicts everything that the show built. It completely re-writes the characters, it takes a huge dump on its themes, it disobeys the rules of the world and barely ties in with anything previously constructed.
And that leads me to my third and final point: End of Evangelion had more to deliver than just one or two twists. It concluded not several, but ALL the character arcs very consistently, it not only developed its themes of isolation, existentialism and coming-of-age, but actually found the way to comment on all of them, and tie them to the characters. It takes a grim, dark story, and gives it a hopeful note.
Madoka's Rebellion was just there to deliver one poor, shock-value based, self-contradictory twist. A stretched-out, overly-stylized mess that had nothing to offer but cheap scares and Dio pranks.
It's actually quite the opposite. I enjoyed watching Madoka quite a lot, especially the show. I find it quite likable, actually, since a lot of it goes up my alley. It has that nice poignant tone that I like, interesting visuals, dark atmosphere and a slice of edge for good measures.
I just don't think it's nowhere near as profound as it thinks it is. Half the characters are cookie-cutters and act retarded for their own good, the show itself relies way too much on shock value, and ends up taking several more bites than it can chew, regarding the plot and themes. It's an enjoyable watch that i would likely revisit for fun, but it isn't much more than that.
Rebellion, however, is downright terrible. It's the most pretentious, overly-stylized, pseudo-intellectual wankery of a movie I have ever seen. A messy, over-the-place "continuation" that's as dumb as it is redundant. An entire movie dedicated so much to delivering that one lousy, out-of-the-blue twist that it's willing to sacrifice logic, script, themes, and entire "legacy" of the show for it. THAT one I didn't like.