And the cardboard intelligence, oh no no. This isn't something that's held back by standards of another time. This is straight up background characters acting like background characters if you get what I mean. No characterisation.
Gosh, because they are indeed background characters. You criticised something for being the way it is. I truly admire your effort.
Mindless goons and thugs is fine in short number. But it's another thing to be have a whole ass group of people being naive and dumb to literal animals level.
Because you can't form an army with just a dozen of people, right? Right? And it is as if the background characters in epic battles like those from The Lord of The Rings had much characterisation.
Here comes my surprise when the main protagonist - Thorfinn, whose name was taken from history, was never ever a fighter, his dad never got killed. And he was just a trader. Huh. So the revenge plot didn't happen. Ofc it didn't.
I never told you you do the research about Thorfinn. I talked about your lack of knowing about 'hounarable' fight for vengeance, because they did exist in history.
And all because the protag was waiting for an "honourable" fight with his father's killer... Like you surely can see the ridiculousness of what I said, if this happened in real life right?
A kid going around killing people, all to finally end his father's killer. Most realistic potrayal I've seen.
Isn't that the fastest way to learn how to swing a sword? Practical experiences always help. And like killing on battlefield is deemed illegal with your judgement only?
And you cannot be serious if you think the revenge theme isn't outdated by 2005. That shit has existed since forever now. Either give it more complex reasons or don't
Then again, since you just dropped it midway, this is surely the Schrödinger's Cat. Can't blame us for laughing at you, since in your words, the incident in Naruto was explained afterwards, yet you came to this conclusion way too soon.
Regarding to the voice acting, since I'm bloody deaf, if I can't hear it, it just doesn't exist. It has to be blatantly terrible like Oregairu Kan for me to recognise. My apology. It is a systematic problem, but if your hearing capability were harmed, then my deepest empathy.
Also, I read your following repiles, and instead of providing proper reasoning, you just put down stuffs about this rating and that score were weebs' standard, which shows your pretty high intellectual level, since this site is for anime, and if I really wanted, I could touch your stuffs as well, but certainly I wouldn't go to that depth.
Coming back to the start of this shit, Seinen and Shounen have been in the game for quite a long time, and the old standards might not hold true nowadays, so it's stupid to act as if having higher ground than others, like your belief that to stop watching anime would immediately improve your lack of critical thinking and reasoning. Even when holding cinematic movies in higher regards than anime, it's my experience that there is no country for the arrogant, you Tiger.
I don't really view Pain and Madara as true villains like Frieza, Isabella, Dio, Johann Liebert. Madara and Pain are just products of their time with flawed ideologies. I just liked Pain's quotes and abilities...His whole idea about people needing to experience pain, etc. He is an interesting character. Madara...well...because he is cocky...OP...and because of his entrance fight...Madara also did a lot of planning. I never said these were the best villains. Dio and Frieza tick the villain box much better.
All I know is that the Third from Gara's village was the strongest Kazekage apparently...Sasori beat him. And I am pretty sure that Sasori was above Deidara. Itachi joined the ANBU at like 11 or something crazy. And he was a prodigy. Itachi at 12/13>Gara at 16. No doubt in my mind.
If I am not mistaken, in the anime, Madara said that it would be extremely bad if he took a direct hit from Guy. He got hit by Night Elephant and was looking up through like a massive hole. Can't remember. What Madara said makes no sense if he was playing around. I think there are several inconsistencies like that. Didn't he say something like..."You crazy bastard almost killed me?"
In any case....Gara was not even on the same level as the kages...That onoki guy...old man....was stronger than Gara, imo...There was a scene, with his particle technique...where he did signiciant damage when up against Madara....or his clones...i can't remember.
I disagree about Gara just casually standing up after Lee was made a cripple. It's poor writing. You can disagree. Everyone was shocked....A forbidden technique... higher than chuunin level...not what you'd expect from people at their level. In fact... I think Neiji would have lost had he gone up against 5 Gates Lee back then...Guy even said that this speed and combo is what is required to take Neiji out. If I am not mistaken...You can check the scenes and comments again. I might be wrong. Pretty sure that guy said something. And I am pretty sure that Kakashi used his sharingan to see Lee. Gara just casually standing up after that hit was offensive. Poor writing. He recovered effortlessly. A kid. Not even mastered his jinchuriki that well.
Dude, Naruto is one f your fav characters. Stop chatting shit. I don't care what you gave the series.
the fact remains, Kishi does a lot of asspulls and powerupgrades.
You are not really answering my points with logic.
Kissame was fodder. Sure, he was better than the other swordsmen....But in the grand scheme...He was no minato...no tobirama....ho hashirama...no itachi....no shisui.... no jiraiya...no pain...
Gara could do jack all against Madara. He is not all that. Deidara took him out! LMAO.
Boruto is garbage. Never seen it.
I never said Guy equaled Madara. I said that the jump from Gate 7 to 8 was preposterous. You could even see the scale of the attack and speed. I mean the guy was running so fast that space-time was distorting? You see how bullshit this is? It sure looks cool...but it's dumb af. Sorry, our conversation is over. I can see the difference in age and bias. You must be in your early twenties.
The power scaling in Naruto is all over the place. This has been discussed several times. This is not a problem unique to Naruto...It also happens in One Piece, Dragonball, Bleach, etc.
Edit: When Kishi gave Rock Lee liek 5 gates so early on...his character was wasted with little chance to grow. And then when Guy's Gates were that much more OP...it made Lee even more pathetic. Kishi, imo, actually made the Gates even more potent later on than initially...The powerl levels got distorted. So when one looks back at the chuunin exams, the hype around the gates is laughable...Even if we adjust for the fact that Lee is a kid...He was temporarily above chuunin level easily... Meanwhile...Guy entered like the top 10 in all of Naruto with his 8 gates, lmfao. He'd literally shit on Tsunade and everyone even with Night Elephant, without doing th e final dragon move. It's all bs.
Edit 2: kazakage at 16 is not impressive...his village just had shit fighters. itachi at 11 would have dicked on most kages by the looks of it. gara was inexperienced...i am not sure if he was even the strongest kage in their history...actually the third was the best in the village...one of sasosri's puppets was the best apparently. sasori > deidara>gara.
No. Gara was caught off guard, and there was no indication that he used the jinchuriki's chakra reserves the same way naruto gets that orange cloak. You are heavily biased, mate. The fact that Guy did so much damage on Madara is also bs....10-tails form. Let's face it. At the time of writing, Kishi obviously did not know that he would use the Gates again...The jump from Guy's encounter with Kisame to Madara is poor power scaling. In one Gate, he goes from kind of struggling against fodder character to warping space time and landing a ridiculous blow on the most OP villain in the franchise...Had it not been for the cells, Madara would probably have been rekt. This is poor power scaling. Kishi is not consistent at all, and you won't admit. This is why talking to fanboys is annoying af. Guy is an older man with a stronger body, but the Gates were always hyped up. A forbidden technique. No fkn way should Gara have walked out fine after taking that hit. Only kakashi could see his moves barely with the sharingan. The sand cushion was nonsense, as the main hit was already delivered in the air.... and had nothing to do with landing on the ground. Those punches were concrete and his brain should have been mush. It was an OP forbidden technique that went beyond what a chunnin should have had. Gara's sand barely kept up when Lee didn't even use any Gates. When Gara killed those jonins, you don't know to what extent he used his beast powers. Lee was literally beaten to big up Gara...and to develop Lee's character with the injury. Gara was kept for the Sasuke fight. It's poor writing, especially when you then compare it throught the lense of shippuden, where the power scaling makes Lee look even worse...considering what Guy could do. And even Guy's power scaling makes no sense whatsoever, when we compare his fight with Kisama and Madara...like a 1 Gate difference...But Madara and Kisama are worlds apart. And then comes Narujesus and denies Guy a warrior's death. Plot armor is weak writing. The best authors would give a realistic result for the situation. There is a reason why deus ex machina and plot armor annoy people. You can't just defend it ...and say...whole thing is plot armor. Maybe for Naruto...yeah. But for Gara during the chuunin exam? That's rubbish. And again, take away the beast powers from all jinchurikis, and most of them would be ass. Naruto without the 9 tails is a medicore fighter who only has the rasengan and sage mode. his immense chakra reserves from the fox is what primarily gives him his immense power. naruto is a nobody without the 9 tails. he wouldn't even make the top 20...or even beat his own father had it not been for the 9 tails. these are facts.
nah, mate, gara would have lost that fight if it weren't for plot armor. you are incredibly biased, sorry. kishi is bad with power levels. the technique was OP. the fact that you couldn't even see Lee when he was doing ping pong in midair shows that he was on another level. Your explanations are flawed. Looks like the naruto community is also heavily biased. I am older than you and have watched naruto since day 1, just like you. Naruto started off as an interesting character, but he ended up like most shonen MCs... Luffy, Goku...There is a lot of similarity. I am not going to continue this anymore, because I can see that your views are set in stone. There are plenty of wellwritten reviews and videos that go over the downfall of naruto. Don't get me wrong...Naruto is one of the better shounen, and in some aspects it is the best shounen...But it has many issues, just like all shounen.
We can continue this on my board if you want, as this is going off topic. I have to diagree though. Rock Lee only lost to Gara due to plot armor. The same way Akainu survived a point-blank hit from a blood lust-filled WB. Plot armor is a real thing as you know. There is simply no way whatsoever that Gara, with or without sand, would have taken Lee with the number of gates he opened back then. Kishi is terrible with power creep and power levels. Similarly, a guy like Guy Sensei would literally destroy most people in the entire Naruto universe with his 8 Gates. I don't think anyone misunderstood Naruto at all. His whole exchange with Nieji made that clear. Kishi dropped the ball with the child of propehcy. It was either Nagato or Naruto, and Naruto was the protagonist from the book. The moment the child of prophecy came into play, it weakened the stakes and made it more cliche. Naruto only really mastered the Rasengan and Sage Mode... that's it. Were it not for his OP fox chakra, he could not sustain those speeds and shadow clones, etc. Rock Lee would also have beaten Neiji in the chuunin exams, so genius would have lost at that point. Rock Lee , I guess, was a genius of hard work, as mentioned in the series. Naruto was no genius. He just had good genes and the fox. Take away the fox and he is pretty average. So many people would have beaten him. The whole part about Naruto and Sasuke being like descendants from the Sage, and then getting powerups, is actually weak writing. Madara was made so OP that Kishi had to get rid of him in the dirtiest way possible so that he could introduce a villain that Naruto and Sasuke could beat. Kishi clearly fell in love with Madara and he cornered himself by making him too OP. There is a lot of plot armor. Neiji barely progrssed despite being a genius. Rock Lee barely progressed. Naruto and Sasuke just got random powerups. Not to mention how bad it is that Naruto could stop Guy from dying...The jesus tehcnique. Guy should have died, which would have cemented his epicness. Saving him made the stakes lower and discredited his heroic sacrifice. Lots of problems in the show. Naruto did not defeat Nagato. Nagato literally controlled the Pains from a distance. He had enough chakra to resurrect everyone. If it was a 1 vs 1, with no intel, Nagato would gave destroyed Naruto. He had so much power...It's ridiculous. In some ways, he had more chakra than Naruto himself. Naruto literally talked Nagato into undoing the damage. I can see you have a Naruto bias, which is fine.
Really liked your your post on One Piece the criticisms you made were valid IMO
Unlike OP retards who replied to you by saying that having Gore and Rape does not mean a show has mature writing though I agree with this but
that does not apply to OP because it really is repetitive boring and every antagonist is the same and every fight is the same i mean calling out
attack names and monologues during fighting also cliched just like any other shonen and corny dialogue it really is childish
I'm sorry, but I missed the part where I implied that there could be no exceptions to the rule? Could you please point it out to me in this quote?:
"Going by superhero comic book logic, the main character with the longer-running series will typically have a much higher chance of winning, because they've had more time to amass more BS asspull power-ups... so Naruto in this case, I guess."
Hmm... nope, I re-read it, but I still can't find the part where I stated that the concept is some sort of infallible Golden Rule that can never be broken.
It's an ability characters in the OP verse learn that hardens any part of their body. This also emits a certain special kind of force that negates all devil fruit powers allowing people who use it to hit logia users regardless of their intangibility.
He hasn't even been injured at all thus far. Nobody has been able to land a single scratch on the guy. He's literally made of light, so it would just shoot a huge hole through his head or stomach, or wherever. But then he could immediately regenerate that. I know darkness sucks in light (blackhole physics), so the TSB's can definitely do the trick. But I'm pretty sure that's the only way Naruto would be able to hit him. Until he's hit with khaki he will never revert back into a physical human being. So unless the attack can someone destroy light particles and Naruto destroys him entirely, then I think he'd have to leave it up to the TSB's.
So the mods locked my thread for some reason, idk. Anyways I can explain Kizaru to you here. His devil fruit is of the logia class. A logia user can turn into, create and manipulate whatever element they're bestowed with by the devil fruit they've eaten. Kizaru ate the light fruit so he can turn into light, create and manipulate it (shoot massive beams of light that create explosions).
All logia user can become intangible meaning because they're made of their element you physically can't hit them unless you're trained in haki. You can't physically punch light, and Kizaru is made of light.
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You wouldn’t even be shelling out any positive scores if you believed that.
Gosh, because they are indeed background characters. You criticised something for being the way it is. I truly admire your effort.
Because you can't form an army with just a dozen of people, right? Right? And it is as if the background characters in epic battles like those from The Lord of The Rings had much characterisation.
I never told you you do the research about Thorfinn. I talked about your lack of knowing about 'hounarable' fight for vengeance, because they did exist in history.
Isn't that the fastest way to learn how to swing a sword? Practical experiences always help. And like killing on battlefield is deemed illegal with your judgement only?
Then again, since you just dropped it midway, this is surely the Schrödinger's Cat. Can't blame us for laughing at you, since in your words, the incident in Naruto was explained afterwards, yet you came to this conclusion way too soon.
Regarding to the voice acting, since I'm bloody deaf, if I can't hear it, it just doesn't exist. It has to be blatantly terrible like Oregairu Kan for me to recognise. My apology. It is a systematic problem, but if your hearing capability were harmed, then my deepest empathy.
Also, I read your following repiles, and instead of providing proper reasoning, you just put down stuffs about this rating and that score were weebs' standard, which shows your pretty high intellectual level, since this site is for anime, and if I really wanted, I could touch your stuffs as well, but certainly I wouldn't go to that depth.
Coming back to the start of this shit, Seinen and Shounen have been in the game for quite a long time, and the old standards might not hold true nowadays, so it's stupid to act as if having higher ground than others, like your belief that to stop watching anime would immediately improve your lack of critical thinking and reasoning. Even when holding cinematic movies in higher regards than anime, it's my experience that there is no country for the arrogant, you Tiger.
All I know is that the Third from Gara's village was the strongest Kazekage apparently...Sasori beat him. And I am pretty sure that Sasori was above Deidara. Itachi joined the ANBU at like 11 or something crazy. And he was a prodigy. Itachi at 12/13>Gara at 16. No doubt in my mind.
If I am not mistaken, in the anime, Madara said that it would be extremely bad if he took a direct hit from Guy. He got hit by Night Elephant and was looking up through like a massive hole. Can't remember. What Madara said makes no sense if he was playing around. I think there are several inconsistencies like that. Didn't he say something like..."You crazy bastard almost killed me?"
In any case....Gara was not even on the same level as the kages...That onoki guy...old man....was stronger than Gara, imo...There was a scene, with his particle technique...where he did signiciant damage when up against Madara....or his clones...i can't remember.
I disagree about Gara just casually standing up after Lee was made a cripple. It's poor writing. You can disagree. Everyone was shocked....A forbidden technique... higher than chuunin level...not what you'd expect from people at their level. In fact... I think Neiji would have lost had he gone up against 5 Gates Lee back then...Guy even said that this speed and combo is what is required to take Neiji out. If I am not mistaken...You can check the scenes and comments again. I might be wrong. Pretty sure that guy said something. And I am pretty sure that Kakashi used his sharingan to see Lee. Gara just casually standing up after that hit was offensive. Poor writing. He recovered effortlessly. A kid. Not even mastered his jinchuriki that well.
the fact remains, Kishi does a lot of asspulls and powerupgrades.
You are not really answering my points with logic.
Kissame was fodder. Sure, he was better than the other swordsmen....But in the grand scheme...He was no minato...no tobirama....ho hashirama...no itachi....no shisui.... no jiraiya...no pain...
Gara could do jack all against Madara. He is not all that. Deidara took him out! LMAO.
Boruto is garbage. Never seen it.
I never said Guy equaled Madara. I said that the jump from Gate 7 to 8 was preposterous. You could even see the scale of the attack and speed. I mean the guy was running so fast that space-time was distorting? You see how bullshit this is? It sure looks cool...but it's dumb af. Sorry, our conversation is over. I can see the difference in age and bias. You must be in your early twenties.
The power scaling in Naruto is all over the place. This has been discussed several times. This is not a problem unique to Naruto...It also happens in One Piece, Dragonball, Bleach, etc.
Edit: When Kishi gave Rock Lee liek 5 gates so early on...his character was wasted with little chance to grow. And then when Guy's Gates were that much more OP...it made Lee even more pathetic. Kishi, imo, actually made the Gates even more potent later on than initially...The powerl levels got distorted. So when one looks back at the chuunin exams, the hype around the gates is laughable...Even if we adjust for the fact that Lee is a kid...He was temporarily above chuunin level easily... Meanwhile...Guy entered like the top 10 in all of Naruto with his 8 gates, lmfao. He'd literally shit on Tsunade and everyone even with Night Elephant, without doing th e final dragon move. It's all bs.
Edit 2: kazakage at 16 is not impressive...his village just had shit fighters. itachi at 11 would have dicked on most kages by the looks of it. gara was inexperienced...i am not sure if he was even the strongest kage in their history...actually the third was the best in the village...one of sasosri's puppets was the best apparently. sasori > deidara>gara.
Unlike OP retards who replied to you by saying that having Gore and Rape does not mean a show has mature writing though I agree with this but
that does not apply to OP because it really is repetitive boring and every antagonist is the same and every fight is the same i mean calling out
attack names and monologues during fighting also cliched just like any other shonen and corny dialogue it really is childish
"Going by superhero comic book logic, the main character with the longer-running series will typically have a much higher chance of winning, because they've had more time to amass more BS asspull power-ups... so Naruto in this case, I guess."
Hmm... nope, I re-read it, but I still can't find the part where I stated that the concept is some sort of infallible Golden Rule that can never be broken.
All logia user can become intangible meaning because they're made of their element you physically can't hit them unless you're trained in haki. You can't physically punch light, and Kizaru is made of light.
Here are some examples, This, this and this.