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I don't know if the source material for Frieren is all over the place in quality (seems to be) or if specific episodes have better episode directors and script writers. Probably a little of both. Certain episodes seem decent, while others are duds. Episode 15 was one of those duds, for it did almost nothing in 20 mins. inb4 "nothing ever happens in Frieren lol" XD... Well, some episodes are better executed than others. Episodes 12 and 14 are some of the better non-battle shounen ones.

Thanks. That was pretty late, but I'll submit it again once the series stops airing.

Yeah, the Qu are cool. On the topic of the Qu actually being from the human line (or even the human line being from the Qu originally)... I haven't looked into any supplemental material or fan speculation at all, but you said the main theory regarding a potential human link is that the Qu are humans that time traveled? I suppose there are a good number of other possibilities for a Qu-human link.

Certain ancient history revisionism and ancient aliens circles propose a relatively advanced tech in the past that was lost in some cases. So I guess a sufficiently advanced population could have left the earth and left less intelligent groups behind that maybe stumbled upon a few weird things here and there as they developed but not enough to confirm such a theory. An alternative could also be... well, the Qu were already re-engineering humans into corrupted forms, so they, or one of their precursors could have created humans millions of years ago, even from their own DNA. The old Macross series also has a plot pretty similar, where they find the alien race that they encounter have the same DNA, but they used technology to shrink themselves down and create human culture long ago, branching off from the giants. I find time travel messy and would rather not bother with it, so I prefer things like this.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the Qu being time-traveled humans trying to change their own fate is indeed wild. The idea being that humans eventually became the Qu, and they decided they wanted to take a different path? The Qu seem too sadistic and cruel in their experiments for that to make sense, but we also don't understand much about the Qu, so who knows what they think? Although it's kind of amusing in a way. "We became the Qu, so let's return to our old stock and see what other possibilities we could have had!" Though they wandered off and left their guinea pigs behind, so I'm not so sure, but they'd have to wait a long time for any special new possibilities.

I agree with you on your Astromorph and Qu analogy, and I think that's what the book is going for, and the Qu probably don't have a direct link to humans. Eyeballing the two images, they do look similar, but I guess you could say similar circumstances and convergent evolution are at play.

It does suggest a further cycle, and you can make an analogy to what happens in the book to make assumptions about the Qu. Maybe the Qu never had any competition in the past, but they might have been formerly an alien race that sequestered themselves like the humans that became the Astromorphs, whether out of necessity or not, and that's what led to the Qu. The book has an explanation for why dwelling on planets for too long is risky, and it seems the best chance of survival and advancement is the path that the Astromorphs took and what we can assume was the same path the Qu took. So, yeah, I'd agree with it being an endpoint for advanced beings messing around with genetic modification, like you said.

I think they're onto something with the British lmao!

To be honest, this is the best theory I've seen about the book:

Yeah, all the species are characterized in such a sophisticated manner and I love that. The nomadic Qu feel like some inexorable mass extinction wave event at the beginning for how they just effortlessly reset the advanced humans. The Asteromorph posthumans eventually become this hyper-advanced galaxy-sandboxing civilization much like the Qu and delete them, but it only takes them 500 million years and they don't even associate themselves with the concept of humanity despite being the only 'pure' humans.

Haven't read much sci-fi, but I agree with this lol. It's unique and conceptually alone highly fascinating.

I don't subscribe to it either, though it's surprisingly substantive and believable enough. I like that it revolves around the Qu and Asteromorph parallels, but I definitely agree with you on the symbology. You could see All Tomorrows as a cyclical narrative despite it being a billion year chronicle of (post)humanity.

As you've read and enjoyed C. M. Kösemen's All Tomorrows, are you familiar with all the theories that surround the story? What are your thoughts on the notion that the Qu are human?

"I hope I don’t needlessly bring further trouble, but again, my bad that you got dragged into somehow. From the past history I see, it really seems like your comment section is a magnet for chaos."

He already apologized to me in the comment before. Then there's a new apology, which looks like he's blaming my comment box for the whole ordeal... I doubt he looked through my history at all, but I've never had anything resembling this lmao.

I know a lot of people are wishing for a first or third person narrator that takes an active role in the story, which could be interesting, but it's the immense scale of telling it like cobbled together history that gives it its power. It's cosmic horror set over hundreds of millions of years of dehumanization, but there's that semi-spark of hope set against the dread of no true return and multiple underdog stories in spite of the horror. I mean, it's absolutely bleak, but when placed in context, it has an appeal that most cosmic horror doesn't. The Qu mysteriously appear and disappear, and it's really a story of horrifically garbled humanity over vast stretches of time and space rather than the dark gods or aliens that most of this kind of fiction is known for.

Yeah, it was SCP. I might be misrepresenting it, but I only looked into it a bit years ago.

No, he hasn't blocked me.

I read All Tomorrows last night. It's very interesting speculative sci-fi, and I can see why I got the reference twice. Pretty creepy with the body horror. It reminds me a bit of that online encyclopedia thing with all of the weird creatures and anomalies, but I forgot what it was called. Yet it was hard to stay interested in that because it was TOO ALIEN. Most of the species being derived from humans and there being an overarching storyline makes it a lot more compelling.

He honestly might as well have someone make a script to auto-rate everything a 1/10 at this point and save himself a lot of tedium (manually increasing the rating for the latest hot show). The end result wouldn't be much different and then he could rename himself CompleteListMAL (a joke in reference to BestListMAL, if you don't know who that is; this is obviously what he's doing since he watches a massive amount of things that he will obviously give a 1/10 and has made that list huge). Ugh, yeah, that's why I like ANTI's takedown lol. Short and sweet.

I have heard of that book. In fact, someone on here made the same comparison probably last year! Now I'll have to read it.

There are ways in which the Frieren pfp is kind of spot on, isn't it? I honestly think ANTI's first response (before Anilist) was the most succinct breakdown of him there probably will ever be, as it combines the typical criticism of him along with specific details of his personality. You know, the "jaded attitude" that is nothing but a facade once you see how obviously upset he gets over just neg ratings and criticism of whatever seasonal darling is airing at the time. Both of these encounters made me think of a cat hunting a bird, only to fall flat on its ass in embarrassment, followed by a bout of intensive grooming like nothing ever happened at all. Rinse and repeat. With ANTI, I believe it was the Mushoku Tensei review that set it off. I like MT, but I think you know who is self-inserting too hard and took it personally lol.

lol that post makes it sound really bad. Truly a shame the reviewer didn't post any of the reviews with the before and after versions.

Yes, I saw what happen with ANTI around the time you messaged me XD. I saw the previous burn, so I'm kind of surprised there was a round two. Senpai noticed me as well, and judging by your comments I guess he noticed you around the same time too.

https://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=901285

I'm pretty sure he saw this back when I published it (before it was deleted) and didn't say anything back then, so I guess he went on a spree a few hours ago.

Yeah, that's the thing. There's guys promoting its battle shounen parts to the crowd asking "when does it get good" XD while praising its SoL qualities.

@Ryuseishun

"Oh nvm" "Random nonsense" You're incredibly slow lol.

There should be an Any % Speedrun on getting blocked by you since you can't seem to handle any retaliatory heat (or heat in general) from literally anyone. I'm sure the suboptimal English that's led to your padded writing style despite it being your first language is a part of why.

Your final comment will stay up despite you deleting all of mine so I can use you as a reference here. Don't try and edit it in stealth characteristic of yourself, though.

Yeah it's certainly devolving into a battle shounen of recent, before it was nothing, like really nothing at all, maybe walking simulator XD. Yeah, i observed, we had 2 neg ones up yesterday, today there's one more again but just replaced the one in the spoiler tags that got taken down. The autism epidemic is getting worse worldwide and big pharma has some answers to give.

Yeah, LoGH, monster, and kaiji are the big 3 of pseudo-intellectualism. Kaiji being the worst one since it is a given 100% that the guy who loves it will be argumentative (very much so), LoGH comes second, monster 3rd but they may or may not be argumentative. But it's always a given you ran into a pseud if even 1 of them is on the favs or 10s, one piece is just the cherry on top lol

Btw ironically the kind of favs on the one who was dissing you are used to say "i have a high IQ ", the exact same thing as the diss, even if we take it as the opposite XD

im learning the use of the report button now. It's the most effective response to obvious trolls. Salty ones are fine, they get to cuss a bit, but some are just pure trolls there for trolling. They report me when i put up memes and get my review taken down so i might as well report them too. It just goes to show the kind of autistic show it is in reality, like the AoT fandom's been more graceful lately. Doesn't help that there's a lack of negative reviews on there that aren't meme-ish, that just bolsters them XD