'Star Wars: Visions' Reveals Cast Members, First Trailer

Lmao what happened to this thread...

Star Wars is cool again.

You are very obviously trying to move the goalpost here.

I have been speaking about the reason the project exists at all, not how much involvement Lucasfilm had in the stories within.



You are not pointing anything out. You are saying that I'm baseless and contradictory, but I have repeatedly demonstrated your claim is incorrect. I've shown what the basis for my view is, and you have failed to give a single example of when I have contradicted myself.



I have already explained, numerous times, that my view does not come from "next to nothing." You are again trying gaslighting, you're repeating the same obvious lie over and over because you cannot make a counterargument.

Furthermore, you say, "If you cannot truly see how asinine etc etc." Clearly you do not understand the reason in why I ask you to elaborate on this. As I have pointed out before, the idea that something cannot be "prematurely" judged is your opinion. So, by knowing why you have this opinion, I can explain why it is incorrect and does not apply to all.

And that's exactly what I did last time, and you had no rebuttal. And you're still trying to avoid answering it, it's blatant to absolutely everyone around that you don't have a leg to stand on, much like the aforementioned Knight.



You did not "follow by explaining why I was dead wrong." In your last comment, the only thing you said in reference to this point was specify "you're talking visually," which is exactly what you were doing before and exactly what I pointed out wasn't creative.

Second, you have chosen to ignore my entire point here. These styles may be new to Star Wars, but they're not new to Anime. Just as was said before, they're just "doing their thing" and doing what was done before. These animation and directorial techniques existed before they were put under the label of Star Wars, and so putting them under it is not creative.



Just open Wookiepedia and search Talmimis and Kyber Crystals and everything else. The things you mentioned have all been done before, I checked before I said so to make sure.



You're ignoring what I said. Canon and non-canon are irrelevant, because elements appearing in both are ideas in the franchise.

Suppose they came up with a new lightsaber, say, a light trident or something, it doesn't matter what it is. Suppose this appeared in the non-canon EU. Now, suppose that the same weapon was decided to be put in the canon series. Is the idea for the new lightsaber new? Of course not. It's been done before, the fact it's now been moved to the proper timeline or whatever doesn't retroactively erase the previous idea.

How is this a false save? Explain how this statement does not refute your point. Note that I've just above explained how it does, so this should be interesting.



First of all, that demonstrates that I never said Lightsaber fights are not Star Wars, in fact, the opposite, so your previous claim was a lie.

Second, I already explained how "the Japanese" have not been creative in this project.



This paragraph just proves my original point. You have just admitted that media is becoming icreasingly corporate, Disney especially, and this affects their productions. You have just admitted I am right.



Genuinely, what the fuck is this supposed to mean?

I said this last time, knowing about a fictional fighting style doesn't mean you understand the media it originates from.

And if you think it somehow does, then explain to me what I should be seeing differently once I analyse a fight, explain why you think it's relevant.



Are you fully aware that you need to put in money first? Disney, the tight-fisted scumbag it is, is hardly going to spare a few extra thousand dollars if they don't expect to get a million more back. Even more famous names simply won't expans the market as much as would be viable, they see this level of notoriety as enough.

What they've done is find enough recongnisable names to out on the poster, and job done. It only corroborates what I've been saying. In fact it was what I was saying, near enough to it anyway.



I mentioned that exact thing last time. Quote: "Most anime are dubbed by a completely different set of Voice Actors, after all, and if this were for any reason other than profit it'd likely be in the same boat."

I mean, seriously, are you just not reading what I'm writing? Are you coming up with your own responses like you're arguing with the shampoo bottles in your shower?



I'm "just saying that" because what you said does not respond to what I asked you to elaborate on, as I pointed out last time. Endlessly claiming it does without explanation is futile, since it just proves you cannot explain your arguments. So, I suggest that you do explain them, just as I asked you to last time.




First, are you seriously trying to tell me what I asked you? That's a whole new level of gaslighting.

Second, you're still not answering the points I made, not proving that you've elaborated when asked and not disproving my view. If you do not believe that Disney's corporate attitude is a detriment, explain why.



If you've already gone over it, then why not point out where you've gone over it? Unless, of course, you haven't.

You made a claim. You were asked to show evidence of that claim. You were unable to do so. Your claim is therefore false.

If you disagree, give your evidence, until then, I think it's fairly conclusive I'm right.

This is the last time I'm going to respond to you, because quite frankly this is getting ridiculous @Thigh_Tide

This single comment right here proves exactly why you're full of shit

The only involvement Disney/Lucasfilm had for these are the choices of voice actors for the dub. Everything else was left to the discretion of the 7 Japanese animation studies with the only thing being that Disney told them that they won't be canon, therefore they could run wild with whatever it is that want to do in their specific episodes

I'm not gaslighting you. What I AM doing is pointing out just how baseless and contradictory every ounce of nonsense that you've been spitting actually is

If you cannot truly see just how ASININE your level of thinking actually is in regards to pre-maturely judging the entirety of an un-released medium with takes that are SOLELY based on NEXT TO NOTHING when it comes to examples to back it up truly is, then you're even more brain dead than I thought

Except you didn't....All you said was that "So and so has been done before" which was followed by me explaining further as to why you're dead wrong

Absolutely NONE of these visual types of story telling has been done before in Star Wars....Production IG's Kurosawa style that they're going for is a prime example of paying homage to both mediums even, do you even hear yourself talk before you say the nonsense that you do lol?

Except like I pointed out, the only thing that both you and I mentioned as well as what was seen in the trailer that's actually been done before was the lightsaber whip

Also its pretty sad how the best that you could come up with here is that "canon and non-canon is irrelevant". Especially since you're entire point here is just false save for what I just pointed out for the second time (And you say that I ignore things lol)

Yeah, lets pretend like you didn't say condescendingly that "lightsaber fights are an obligation" in an attempt to disregard the creative ways that the Japanese are handling them

Idk what world you live in, but everything in today's media is marketed. That's a big factor as to how these studios and people get paid since views aren't enough anymore. And once again, all these stylistic choices were SOLELY FROM THE MINDS OF THESE JAPANESE CREATORS AND NOT FUCKING DISNEY

Disney would be incredibly retarded if they don't market them for merch afterwards anyway lol

And lastly, I brought up the lightsaber forms because you LITERALLY said "lightsaber fights only exist to sell toys", when in actuality that couldn't be further from the truth lol - Hence me bringing up the forms....Look them up and analyze any fight from anywhere in the franchise and then get back to me once you're enlightened

This is yet again an example of you not knowing wtf you're talking about, but instead of going through this piece of dribble and victimization of yourself, I'll just leave you with this:

You say that "The EN cast was selected primarily for their names" right and that Disney just wants to use that to make all kinds of money right. IF that's the case, why don't we see names of A list actors here? Or even the more famous celebrity VA's like a Tara Strong, Kevin Conroy, Laura Bailey, Mark Hamill, Nolan North ora Troy Baker here? Heck, we don't even see any MCU actors on here either except their brand new one (Simu - but why not have him on here honestly? The man is amazing) Yet instead, we have B list celebrities (Like Neil Patrick Haris) and a bunch of no names....Riddle me that lol

How cute lol

P.S. Most anime are dubbed usually by the same names....Chris Sabat, Yuri Lowenthall, Johnny Yung etc etc....this entire argument showed me that you know next to nothing about the dubbing industry in the west lol

I did answer it, you're just saying that I didn't because you have no response to it that can even be considered a rational thought hence why all you've been saying is "Stop gaslighting me" which I'm not even doing lol

You asked me why I thought that this anime will be good, not the medium itself, and I did that (With Star Wars being heavily influenced by Japanese culture as one of said reasons, to which you then started spouting the dribble you're spouting in this thread - dISnEy ONlY cAReS aBoUT MOneY sO tHeReFoRE, tHIs sErIEs wIlL bE hOlLoW AnD BaD")

Whatever helps you sleep at night my guy...I've already gone over why you're being stupid so if you chose to regurgitate the same shit once again, then have at it, I'm done talking to you

Wow, the dub cast is awesome af. Lucy Liu, Joseph Gordon Leavitt, David Harbour, Temuera Morrison, Karen Fukuhara, Henry Golding, Neil Patrick Harris etc. Imma definitely check this out.

Trailer looks much promising too.

A bit cringe xD BUT, this is a NON-CANON story so it can go WILD!!! Can't wait to see what the writers imagined for this universe :D

Trivia :

1. First in The Duel casts, all casts are Hidan, Boruto & Tayuya, while in english they're DK aka "donkey kong" and alex from charlie angels 20th years ago

2. Then, in The Twins casts, Karre and Am they're Tomaru and Chocho / Fu from Naruto

3. Next, in The Elder casts, they're Kakuzu and Koji Kashin / Muku, except Ogata. In other side, Ogata x Nakamura are popuko and Gran Torino and Hawks

4. After that, The Village Bride, F and Asu are Megumi x Nobara and Ginshi Shirazu x Akira Madō in Ghoul, btw if Karre join this part, we have trio Gojo's students. And Haru x Saku are popuko and pipimi and also killua x gon. Izuma japan dub x saku are Alzack Connell and Romeo / Levy Mcgarden. In eng dub, Vaan and Izuma are Shang Tsung 1995 and Sektor from MK 2011. Both saku are Mika in japan, and Rio in english as a part of Durarara casts

5. In Akakiri, Senshuu and Kamachi are Brook and Bellamy

6. Finally, in The Ninth Jedi, almost casts except Juro and Ethan are worked together in Jojo all star battle, Kara as Yukako, Zhima is Gyro, Roden as Illuso, Narrator as Wamuu and Hen Jin is RERORERO. In eng dub, Roden is Ndoul, Narrator is Madara, and Hen Jin is Sora who hillariously has same voice actor in Japan https://myanimelist.net/character/13483/Sora.
If Saku eng dub join in 9th Jedi part, we have Taki and Mitsuha

You've already said this, and I've already shown that that's simply untrue. I have maintained from the very beginning that the reason why this will be bad is due to the Star Wars franchised being motivated solely by profit and brand expansion rather than creating works with artistic value. Note the word, reason.

Just as I said last time, even if you disagree with my opinion, you cannot possibly claim I have not attempted to justify it. Otherwise, what you'd be doing is just more gaslighting, lying to yourself to run from the debate rather than contributing to it.



Just as I said in my last comment, this again comes down to the fact that you believe your opinion on when something can be judged applies to everyone, when it doesn't.

I've pointed this out twice now, and you have still not shown a counterargument against it. If you do not have any way to disprove what I said about this last time, then your point is not a substantial argument.

I mean, it's just like Monty Python's Black Knight saying "No it isn't" after his arm was cut off. You're ignoring the fact I've already shown why your idea is incorrect.



I've already responded to how what you find visually creative is not. You have not made a rebuttal, so as with the other points you're ignoring I'll assume you concede on it until you prove otherwise.



If you're referring to the decanonised Extended Universe, then Canon is irrelevant. They exist as part of the brand, whether or not they are "real" or not ignores the fact that the ideas in question have all been done before.



First off, did I ever say the words "Lightsaber fights are not Star Wars?" Did I say that, anywhere?

I never claimed that Lightsaber fighting isn't an integral part of the franchise, I pointed out that the creation of new lightsabers is motivated financially, just like the rest of the franchise, and simply isn't a creative exploit since they're a requirement rather than necessary for the story.

Bringing up "the nuances of dueling" and "lightsaber forms" is completely meaningless, and, to be blunt, just weird and cringey. How much you know about a fictional martial art doesn't at all contribute to this argument.



I originally pointed out that it is obvious most of the EN cast was selected primarily for their names, as they would then be easier to market, the main objective of the company.

You said, "The dubbed voices don't sound bad, you don't need big names, everyone starts small." This simply doesn't respond to anything I said. If I need to spell it out for you:

• I did not originally address the quality of the voice acting, so saying that "they sound good" does not refute my point.
  
• I said that they were using big names, so I cannot see where you think saying not having big names even comes from.
  
• And I simply never said anything about how small people may have been before.
  

Saying that I am backpedaling is just untrue, because I never "pedaled toward" where you think I am. If anything, you're backpedaling, since you've made a meaningless statement, and when pressed to explain it you switched to trying to implicate the other as wrong.



I don't know if you're intentionally misunderstanding my point to straw man it, or if you're just physically incapable of reading, but as I've said possibly a dozen times by now, I never said it = bad, but that it = "Disney want money." I genuinely could not rewrite it in a simpler way.

You're also not denying that you tried gaslighting earlier, in fact you seem to be trying it again. I did address how the industry functions, and that is in writing up higher in this thread.



Again, I already addressed this myself earlier, so this is gaslighting.

You're also again not understanding what I said - Big names = bad, it = "we need to sell this somehow." Most anime are dubbed by a completely different set of Voice Actors, after all, and if this were for any reason other than profit it'd likely be in the same boat.



I don't know what this is referring to, but I assume it's supposed to be the penultimate paragraph. That would mean that you're once more ignoring the contradiction I pointed out, so I suggest you finally answer that.



That's just another plain lie. I asked you to elaborate on why you think, quote "most of Star Wars, Legends/EU included" is good, and you had no answer. Or I asked you to give reasons behind your "japanese elements = automatically good" standpoint, and you had no answer.

I've not made any sort of circular logic. Can you give a single concrete example of something you think is? Or a "reach," what have I said that you feel is a reach, and why?

Short stories, when done well, can be more impactful and entertaining than long tv series or movies. Just look at the clone wars 2003 animated series, the stories are short but really good, and it's considered the best animated star wars series ever made.

I don't know what you'd expect a trailer to show, they're obviously going to advertise the action scenes because that's the biggest change between the medium of anime and live action.

I just don't get it when people make these assumptions from a trailer. Just wait until it comes out. You could very well be right, you could also be wrong.

(also just look a Blade Runner Black Lotus. It was given to a famous anime director and it looks like he just wants to make Ghost in the Shell SAC 2045 but with Disney money this time. I'd prefer if creators were actually forced to give some proof of concept before jumping into a new medium, and that is very well what this could be).

Gonna respond to you in numbered points because I cba right now

1. I did, you just kept on regurgitating the same shit. Your "views" were literally "I think its gonna be bad because I think its gonna be bad"

2. Judging something like this as pre-maturely as you did is essentially looking at a book cover and saying that the book itself is shit

3. I did say how it was creative....I'm talking visually....I can't say that any of the stories apart from the 9 Jedi and the concert episode are creative because I haven't seen em yet

4. In canon, neither of the things I mentioned have been seen before....In Legends the closest thing we've had to the whip was Lumiya's weapon

5. Lightsaber fights IS Star Wars sir....Its one of the more identifiable aspects of the entire medium, but judging from your condescending tone when you speak about it, I'm pretty sure you don't understand the nuances of Lightsaber dueling. Yes they're flashy (they're supposed to be flashy) but that's only one aspect....I bet you don't even know about Lightsaber forms

6. That is EXACTLY the point you were making...Its so ridiculous that you're even backpedaling now lol

7. Once again, you're trying to backpedal but you're not getting out of this....You LITERALLY said that because they're using celebrities instead of dedicated voice actors that means this = bad...That's literally what you said lol, I'm the one who mentioned the process behind american animation in conjunction with voice actors such as these ones

And I already debunked this because a lot of those celebrities also do voice work as well...I dunno if you're unfamiliar with western animation, but a lot of these B list celebrities do voice acting in addition to actual acting, so to suggest that just because known named people are on a project its bad or uninspired is EXTREMELY asinine

8. It was your point...Own up to your bias

9. I've elaborated and provided reasoning every single time sir, you're the one running around in circles saying the same shit over and over - this is bad because I said so....this is bad because of *Insert reach #1*

Eh I dunno if I'll actually watch this. I liked watching star wars when I was a kid but eh dun really want to see it in anime form.

First of all, you say that you still disagree, but you have not provided a rebuttal. You have not demonstrated an ability to further support your point, and until you do so nobody is going to assume you still can. Like I said before, if you disagree with my last statement, make a counterargument, otherwise I'll go right ahead and take it to mean you're chickening out.

Second, what statements did I make without a basis? I pointed out several pieces of information that explained my view in no uncertain terms. You're once again just spouting vague, unsupported insults instead of making meaningful points.



What you find creative and how it in fact is not is addressed later, see below.



This appears to be your opinion that something cannot be judged until it is out again. I already explained why I disagree with this idea and why there is no reason your view should apply to all. As noted above, you didn't make a rebuttal, to it. You attempting to maintain this view in the face of being shown a flaw with it is disingenuous and thus meaningless.



Once again this is a case of you saying something is creative without exploring why. Elaborate on which synopses you think present worthwhile new ideas.



This is again just a plain insult. You made a vague declaration, it requires elaboration. Complaining about the matter suggests a lack of confidence in your earlier statement.



That's not "creativity" though. Like you point out, they're "doing their thing" - not challenging the very medium, not using the space to explore an entirely new way to tell stories, and most importantly just plain not doing anything they haven't before. It's not being creative, it's being compliant. They're doing what they've been hired to do, and nothing more.

In fact, it raises the question of what you think creativity in television is full stop. Judging by what you've said here, it's just doing what's been done before, without thinking of why it was done and why it won't work once more. Any artist can tell you that challenging themselves, surpassing their own work is the pursuit of creativity.



All of those things, except perhaps the Umbrella, have been done before. And even that's not much, because shoving a lightsaber onto another object isn't creative, it's an obligation. Every instalment of Star Wars does it, and always just to sell toys, which goes back around to what I pointed out was the prevailing flaw of the franchise.



That's even further away from my point then you were last time. This has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about. How is this supposed to be responding to what I said?



Are you genuinely saying that I "ignored the fact they worked on American animated titles," immediately after I explicitly talked about the process behind working on American animated titles? You're just lying about what I did or did not say. You're gaslighting.



For the fifth time, that wasn't my point. And you're not addressing what I said before, so I repeat the question.



And just as I said before, if you feel the need to complain about being asked to elaborate your point, that suggests said point is groundless. That you're bluffing, essentially. Regardless, I've already responded to how what you think is creative is in fact merely retreading existing ideas and styles - just like what the Star Wars franchise has been doing.

Ahhhh, so that's what you were getting at....Okay fair enough

I guess if this series ends up being really successful and well received, Lucasfilm will allow one of these studios to actually do just what you said and give us something as great as The Mandalorian that's also canon as well...Fingers crossed at least

Easy an actual TV series or movie, something that is actually going to allow these creators to do something more than a pretty fight. Exploring the star wars universe through the medium of 2D animation could have an incredible sense of adventure or scale.

This is style of substance by design, it shows a legit lack of confidence in the medium.

In regards to the bold, describe what would be more ambitious to you

When you say meaningful, I can't really challenge that because even though these stories all look fun, at the end of the day, they're not canon, so essentially in the grand scheme of things, they don't matter - Which fucking sucks if you ask me

But other than that, I think this series is doing the former of the bolded statement....You mentioned the action bits but at the end of the day, lightsaber fights IS one of the best aspects of Star Wars period, so idk why that's such a bad thing here lol...That and I highly doubt that these studios won't tell compelling stories to go along with them...Trigger and Production IG alone deserves the benefit of the doubt given their track record at least

Well atleast they got Temuera Morrison to voice Boba..
Right? -Right?

I mean at the very least, they're giving a TON of credit to the people who are actually making it, even picking big studios like Trigger and Science SARU

I dunno what your seeing in that trailer but I guess more power to you. All this looks like is some really generic anime tropes and mindless but pretty fight scenes but with star wars really loosely slapped onto it cause Disney to try and capitalize on anime fans in the absolute safest way they possibly could. rather than commit to anything more ambitious with the medium and give creators actual room to explore the franchise in a meaningful capacity, they just get some table scraps budget to make a pretty fight for 5 minutes and move on.

This looks nigh indistinguishable to me from halo legends

Exactly....That's why I wish that the Live Action films could take notes from this new series and give us something good

I cry every time lol

But yeah.....Lucasfilm needs a Kevin Fiege badly