| Lockon might be alive? This is kinda unlikely, but I'm really confused about something. If you haven't seen the extra scenes, you can watch them here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiplMwQnrFo Tieria is sitting by a grave. That's certainly where Lockon's family is buried, because the scene is identical to the one in episode 9. And Lockon can't be buried in the same place as his family. With Celestial Being destroyed and all the members on the run, the last thing they needed was to make a funeral there. And then we see this  I don't think that is Lyle for the following reasons: 1. If Tieria was really at Lockon's grave, what the hell was Lyle doing there? He found about his brother's death when he joined Celestial Being, a few years later. And if CB really managed to bury him there, I don't think Lyle wouldn't have found out. He was probably visiting quite often. Even so, he was surprised when Setsuna told him. 2. Ok, let's say that's Lyle, but now it's clear that Lockon it's not buried there. So Tieria was standing by his family grave. If so, where is Lockon? You can see in the same video that his body is still intact after the explosion. We have no proof that he is dead for real. Maybe, like Allelujah, he was found and captured. Maybe I'm thinking too much, but there's something strange here... |
darkhrissMar 14, 2009 1:19 PM
| Hello~ umm, interesting topic.. I'd like to share some of my opinion here. :D Well, I think the person who stood in that scene *points above* is Lyle. It is quite possible for Tieria to look up information about Neil after Neil was MIA (its KIA, imo). And with that information, Tieria might know when is the death anniversary of Dylandy's family, i.e. Neil's parents and Amy. So maybe one day Tieria was happened to visit in Dylandy's death anniversary instead of Neil's, and Lyle happened to spy him there. The second is about Neil's death. I really think he is dead. I watched that PS2 ending scenes and after the last big blast of GN arms, Neil's helmet visor was cracked open so it might cause him death due to lack of oxygen (that's if he was still alive, just unconscious, after the blast). The other is that there is possibility of internal organ damage because of Dynames's severe damage before the final scene, plus Neil was not that fit at that time too. .... Well I don't like it but I think his possibility to be alive is very small. :( |
rain1904Feb 7, 2009 8:55 AM
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| "Lockon is dead. He will not be revived." -Newtype I couldn't find the screenshot I had but the one I marked in that image *points at spoiler* is the scene rain1904 was talking about. If I ever get the chance to see that pic again, I would post it here. :) __________________________________________________________________________ EDIT: The screenshot from the game ending. His helmet is broken. :( But this doesn't stop my fangirl side from hoping that he's still alive and will come back to Tieria. XD |
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| It's just a magazine saying that :). And hey, it's Gundam, people cand die and revive anytime. I agree with you and I think there aren't many chances for this to happen, but that scene is still kinda strange. joey15 said: "Lockon is dead. He will not be revived." -Newtype I couldn't find the screenshot I had but the one I marked in that image *points at spoiler* is the scene rain1904 was talking about. If I ever get the chance to see that pic again, I would post it here. :) |
darkhriss said: It's just a magazine saying that :). And hey, it's Gundam, people cand die and revive anytime. I agree with you and I think there aren't many chances for this to happen, but that scene is still kinda strange. I agree that it is strange. I even tried to fit it in the s2 timeline but Tieria -with Lyle- didn't have the time to go to earth and visit Neil's grave (supposing it is Neil's grave). On the other hand, considering it was their family's grave and not Neil's, it would make sense that Lyle was there. I'm thinking that Tieria went there in Neil's stead or Neil's body was not found therefore that's the only place he can really mourn him. :( These are just my opinions though. XD Btw, I thought Newtype info is official? That's what I've heard. O_O |
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joey15 said: darkhriss said: It's just a magazine saying that :). And hey, it's Gundam, people cand die and revive anytime. I agree with you and I think there aren't many chances for this to happen, but that scene is still kinda strange. I agree that it is strange. I even tried to fit it in the s2 timeline but Tieria -with Lyle- didn't have the time to go to earth and visit Neil's grave (supposing it is Neil's grave). On the other hand, considering it was their family's grave and not Neil's, it would make sense that Lyle was there. I'm thinking that Tieria went there in Neil's stead or Neil's body was not found therefore that's the only place he can really mourn him. :( These are just my opinions though. XD Btw, I thought Newtype info is official? That's what I've heard. O_O I don't know about Newtype, but I know the producers like to shock us, so I don't think what's written in a magazine is 100% true. Or maybe they changed their mind after that article was published. Remember that the scene with Lockon's intact body after the explosion wasn't originally in the anime. And if that's Lyle...why was he hiding behind a tree? Lockon did that because he didn't wanted his brother to see him, but Lyle has no reasons to hide. At first, I thought they didn't show Lockon dead and any funeral at all because the body was destroyed in the explosion. But after seeing the video...how is that possible? Setsuna was close and saw him on the radar. Even after the explosion he should have been able to see him. We can't say these are just some insignificant details. Haha, I know I'm hopeless, but if there are still so many unclear things, I'm hoping for his return... |
darkhriss said: And if that's Lyle...why was he hiding behind a tree? Lockon did that because he didn't wanted his brother to see him, but Lyle has no reasons to hide. At first, I thought they didn't show Lockon dead and any funeral at all because the body was destroyed in the explosion. But after seeing the video...how is that possible? Setsuna was close and saw him on the radar. Even after the explosion he should have been able to see him. We can't say these are just some insignificant details. Haha, I know I'm hopeless, but if there are still so many unclear things, I'm hoping for his return... About Lyle, this is only my over-dramatic thoughts tho XD Well, I think he hides because he doesn't want his identity to be revealed. What I meant is that both Neil and Lyle are involved in "dangerous job" so I think they will both try to avoid as many relatives/acquintances as possible (to avoid unnecessary questions it is). So maybe Lyle assumed that Tieria is some acquintances of Dylandy family, and that's why he hide. And back to Neil, I think Setsuna lost sight of him after explosion because Neil was still in the explosion range. I'm not good at physics tho LOL and things might not work the same in earth as in the space, but what I think is that Neil's body was getting driven far away because of the explosion impact. And we didn't know how close was Setsuna with GN arms back then +__+ |
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| Neil is dead. If someone else was doing this show, then who knows, but knowing it's Kuroda and Mizushima, they killed him off for good. The director himself confirmed this. And yes, I know he's the same guy who says Bushido is not Graham, but that's a completely different thing lol. That scene from the Gundam Meisters game should be proof enough. The helmet is broken and Lockon looks perfectly dead there. Sad, but true. Dunno what happened to the body, though. Maybe there's something about it in the novel. |
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| The director said this? Never knew that...dammit! I'm gonna emo the hell out of me in a corner now. But I'm still hoping for a miracle... |
| Yes, Mizushima-san did say that in an interview. And well, he's the director. And he wouldn't be joking about something as serious as a character's death. So yea, Neil is dead ;__; |
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| The shock would be even bigger if he said that and then Lockon shows up, hah. But even if there are a few strange things, you're right, he is dead... I would get used to it if I wouldn't see Lyle in every episode. Why did he had to have a twin?!? I hate Lyle for this, and it's not his fault, poor guy. |
| Well, I did get used to it. He got a great death scene and his death made a huge impact on Tieria, Setsuna, and Feldt. They got stronger thanks to him and they can keep living. In a way, he served his purpose if you look at it from the point of view of the story and character development. If he was still alive, who knows if Tieria and Setsuna would be the great characters they are now. And if they would have the determination they have now. To be honest, I'm a bit angry when I see people saying they want Tieria to die, so he can be with Lockon. I mean, would Lockon want this to happen? He saved Tieria's ass a few times and wanted him to be able decide for himself. Current Tieria is a strong character and he's finally able to interact with others too. There's no reason for him to die. He doesn't a have a death wish anymore either, I'm sure he wants to live. When he says he's human, it's like he shows his determination to live. |
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| Tieria is strong now, but alone. Everyone has a pair or a friend. They treat him like a comrade, but I'm sure nobody would risk his life for him. He has no past, no family, nothing to fight for. Everyone in Celestial Being has a reason to be there, that keep them going, Tieria has none. If this is the last season, I would want him to die, even if I'll cry for months ( not to say he will probably see Lockon before dying, and that would be the cutest scene ever...but this is not the reason ). Otherwise I want him to live. It's painful enough without Lockon, I can't imagine Gundam without Tieria. And T-chan started changing while Lockon was still alive, and I'm sure he would have become like this. |
| First of all, if everyone without a pair was supposed to die, we would have mass deaths in the world lol. At the very least, Setsuna would be fine with dying for anyone on board the Ptolemaios, including Tieria XD Hope that won't be necessary, though. And you're underestimating the crew of the Ptolemaios. Tieria spent 4 years with them (not counting the time before when he was still so bitchy), he, Feldt, Ian, and Lasse are like a familiy now. Add Mileina to that too lol. Lasse doesn't seem to have anyone outside of CB, Feldt either. Well, Lasse will die anyway, but still... And Tieria wouldn't fight if he thought he had no reason to do it. He cares about the world now and he doesn't want innocent people to die. That's reason enough. And he wants to change the world, partially for Lockon's sake. If Lockon was still alive then sure Tieria might be the nice person he is now, but I don't think he would be this strong. He would most likely depend on Lockon too much. And hey, there's still Regene! At least he would live as long as Tieria coz he's an Innovator too >_> LOL. Then again, I'm never that much into pairings. I may like some, but I still mostly look at the characters separately. Maybe with the exception of Soushi x Kazuki from Fafner. |
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Ariana said: Neil is dead. If someone else was doing this show, then who knows, but knowing it's Kuroda and Mizushima, they killed him off for good. The director himself confirmed this. And yes, I know he's the same guy who says Bushido is not Graham, but that's a completely different thing lol. That scene from the Gundam Meisters game should be proof enough. The helmet is broken and Lockon looks perfectly dead there. Sad, but true. Dunno what happened to the body, though. Maybe there's something about it in the novel. True, true. I agree that Bushido is NOT Graham. Their personalities are far too different. I think it's the over-obsession of Bushido that really separates his personality from his former self. His will to capture and seek to fight strong opponents like Gundams in the second season is a dark reflection of his curious self in season 1. And possibly (due to the damage his body received in season 1), he is physically different compared in season 1. o__o Technically, that makes you a different person, imo. That means, even if by the slightest chance that Neil is indeed alive, then he might not be the Neil that we knew. O__O |
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Ariana said: First of all, if everyone without a pair was supposed to die, we would have mass deaths in the world lol. I laughed so hard at that part ahahaaa Well, you're right, even if I don't think the crew members are that close to him. I guess I'm too used seeing Lockon and Tieria together. I started to like Tieria when Lockon began caring for him, and it's really hard to imagine Tieria go on without Lockon. Don't get me wrong, I really don't want him to die and I'll be destroyed if that happens, but sometimes when I get the impression he's so alone, I think about him being "together" with Lockon again. |
| Lol, it's true that Mister Bushido isn't exactly Graham XD I think he would need to defeat Setsuna in an even fight or something like that to finally get back to his former self. But Neil is a 100% dead. He won't come back. Unless they decide that every freaking character needs to have a dream/hallucination with him lol. Well, I hope we'll at least see some flashbacks about him and his family. I'm a Tieria fan almost from the very start of the show XD Loved him even long before those scenes with Lockon. And I can very well imagine T-chan without Lockon, maybe I'm just not "romantic" enough XD |
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joey15 said: That means, even if by the slightest chance that Neil is indeed alive, then he might not be the Neil that we knew. O__O I want Neil back in any shape or form! off topic: have I mentioned how DAMN CUTE your sig is? <3 |
Utena-Douji said: It's obvious it's Lyle because if it was Neil, when they show a close up of his face he would look sad not mad. And its the exact same place Lyle hid from his brother in ep 9 or witch ever it was. And yes it was Lyle that was hiding u can tell by the mannerisms. You know Lyle has a problem with Neil right? There is a reason he wasn't there when the bombing took place. I'm pretty sure this is fact any way. But it's hinted to in season 2. He mentions he is not as good as his bro and he doesn't want to be compared to him. They my look the same but I think Neil is the more talented of the 2, and Lyle resents that. So it makes sense him not wanting to see his brother and always looking pissed. And I keep seeing 'ifs' about Tieria have u guys not seen all the way to the end of season 2? Erm....this topic was made a long time ago, I don't think the second season was even finished. |
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