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May 2, 2013 2:26 AM
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Hi everyone !

did you recognized that "Black Forest Peak" got one more Tank than allowed ?

Her total Numbers was 21 instead of allowed 20 Tanks...



just wondering about this....


best regards
CptCrunch
May 2, 2013 3:09 AM
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As far as I know, the Jagdpanther and Panther were just immobilized by the Turtle team. There was no white flag raised on the Panther when it was hit by the Hetzer while the Jagdpanther needed to fix their track that was hit by the Hetzer before they got back in formation. Maybe the Panther just gotten back much quicker than the Jagdpanther.
May 2, 2013 3:29 AM
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The Panther (didnt know the exact Version) got a direct hit in the lower Hullside...
there he got only 40-50mm armour (depends on the "Ausf.") that the hetzer with 7.5cm gun can easily penetrate

he also is the only tank that didnt turn the turret to shoot the Hetzer... because he is prbly. out

and on this screen you see 17 attacking tanks (after the Hetzer sneak attack)

both times the Jagdpanther is definitely only Immobilized
CptCrunchMay 2, 2013 3:42 AM
May 2, 2013 4:05 AM
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As long there's no white flag raised, the Panther was still in the match.
May 2, 2013 4:08 AM
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there are still after the sneak attack 17 tanks on the field...

+2 Immobilized tanks
+1 Maus
+1 PzIII

=21...
May 2, 2013 4:13 AM
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2 immobilized tanks(Panther and Jagdpanther) but the Panther recovered quickly and gotten back in formation that why there was 17 tanks at the hill.
May 2, 2013 4:31 AM
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Due to two facts:
1) We don't know how long has passed the time between the Hetzer attack and the BFP mountain siege
2) The Panther is never become focus after the attack, unlike Jadgpanther

I think it is safe to assume that the Panther recover much quicker than Jadgpanther and thus able to regroup with the main group, especially when we consider that the main group consist if slow heavy tanks and must move in such precise formation while Panther is rather fast...
Thus, there is only 1 immobilized tank...
MarkS00NMay 2, 2013 4:36 AM
May 2, 2013 4:36 AM
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mhmm ok...
but still i checked out something:
Episode 11- A Fierce Battle

they got:
1x Tiger
2x Tiger II
8x Panther Ausf. G (1 knocked out at the hill attack)
1x Jagtiger
1x Elefant
1x Maus ( in the city)
1x PzIII (near the city)
6x Jagdpanzer 4 (2 got knocked out at the hill attack, 1 at 7:14min by Hana, the other at 9:56min by Hippo team)
1x jagdpanther

=22... = Oo


just look at 11:26min you see the statistic on the "Leopold Flat Screen" (btw.great idea)
there you see that Black Forest Peak got 8 Panther Ausf.G
at 21:59min you seeBlack Forest marching forward to the city

just check there tanks now and count in the destroyed tank ,the Maus and the PzIII...
May 2, 2013 6:07 AM
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Hm...
I think the Panther's number on Flat Screen is an error...

Afterall at 21:59 we only see 5 Panthers, thus the number of Panther should have been 6 instead of 8 as only 1 Panther has been shot...

Also, if there were 8 Panthers, then it is impossible to only have 17 tanks on the mountain, even if 2 of the tanks has been immobilize, there should have at least 18 tanks...
May 2, 2013 6:18 AM

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The only way to clear this is to wait for the BD/DVD version of Episode 11 and 12 since the TV version may still have errors in it that will be corrected in the BD/DVD version. The confusion is that Black Forest's tank line-up was not shown in one group shot(unlike St-Gloriana, Saunders, and Pravda) since 2 tanks(Panzer III and Maus) are put in the urban area while the 18 tanks faced Oarai. The only way to count them is their appearance in the episode.

Episode 11 - 3 Oarai tanks(Type 3 Chi-Nu, B1 Bis,StugIII) were knocked-out and 3 Black Forest tanks(1 Panther and 2 JagdpanzerIV) were knocked-out.

At the end of Episode 11, 15 tanks were in formation(excluding Panzer III and Maus).

1 Tiger
2 Tiger 2
5 Panther
4 Jagdpanzer IV
1 Elefant
1 Jagdtiger
1 Jagdpanther

But at the start of episode 12, there are only 14 in the formation(excluding Panzer III and Maus):

1 Tiger
2 Tiger 2
5 Panther
3 Jagdpanzer IV
1 Elefant
1 Jagdtiger
1 Jagdpanther

@MARKS00N: I think you have a point. We'll just have to see when the BD/DVD version comes out.
zenjamibuMay 2, 2013 6:56 AM
May 2, 2013 9:07 AM

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You are right zenjamibu
lets just wait for BD/DVD release...

but thanks for the discussion :)


p.s.: this was post 3000 in the Girls und Panzer Thread ^^

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