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Apr 23, 2013 7:51 PM
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After everything that was said and done, Anotsu welcomed/accepted his killer/death with arm(s) wide open! Well played, Hiroaki Samura, well played! Way to end all the hypocrisy!

If anything, I'd most certainly NOT forget this series, nor its most integral characters.
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Apr 23, 2013 11:28 PM
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I'm still not sure what exactly happened here. It looked like Rin just came out of nowhere and stabbed Anotsu. I'm going to have to read this again when I'm not sleepy.
Apr 24, 2013 9:09 PM
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Really pissed off at this chapter. I anticipated Anotsu would die, but this is the worst possible way it could've happened, imo. Anotsu showed remorse for what he did to Rin's family, saved her life at least a couple of times, and has been nothing but relentlessly helpful/nice to her since. Doesn't excuse the past, but for a while it looked like mutual growth and healing to me. Guess not. If there isn't some major remorseful or conflicted reflection about this in upcoming chapters it will drop BotI at least 1 rank on my favorites list since it ruins what the series meant to me.

Rin already killed her parents' murderers back in the beginning (creepy mask guy and creepy heads guy). She definitely had her reasons for wanting revenge on Anotsu too, but there were significant countervailing factors to this by the end of the story that made it moot to me. Things got progressively more gray and Rin started questioning what she was trying to accomplish. She was introspective, and I admired her for that, but now her actions demonstrated that it was all for nothing. She still subscribes to the culture of blind revenge, and that is exactly the kind of pettiness I can not respect.

Throughout the story Rin was realizing that the world is much more gray and complicated than this, that it doesn't revolve around her tragedy, and that her reckless perpetuation of the cycle of violence has consequences for lives she did not intend. Pursuing archaic duties to the dead by killing more people did not bring her peace because real healing takes place within. Sometimes you just have to learn to live with the past, which is what her contact with Anotsu was helping her to do until she reverted back to her chapter 1 self in 204.

What she did to Anotsu was utterly pointless. She didn't need to do anything. Anotsu was no longer a threat to her. She could've just stood by Manji, maybe even hurl her usual insults, and let Anotsu get on the ship. He was probably going to die on his own anyway. He didn't want to live and I don't mind that he died. I mind how he died.

If he died from bloodloss, if he was killed by some random guy trying to collect a reward, even if he fell off a cliff, it would've been better than what happened. Ideally he could've died on the ship next to Makie while looking up at the sky. I could maybe even be okay with the senseless Manji/Anotsu fight if that happened. But Rin killing him irreversibly taints the soul of the story for me. Thank gods at least Manji didn't do it. I like Manji.
Neiru2013Apr 24, 2013 9:57 PM
Aug 26, 2013 3:52 PM
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Neiru2013 said:
Really pissed off at this chapter. I anticipated Anotsu would die, but this is the worst possible way it could've happened, imo. Anotsu showed remorse for what he did to Rin's family, saved her life at least a couple of times, and has been nothing but relentlessly helpful/nice to her since. Doesn't excuse the past, but for a while it looked like mutual growth and healing to me. Guess not. If there isn't some major remorseful or conflicted reflection about this in upcoming chapters it will drop BotI at least 1 rank on my favorites list since it ruins what the series meant to me.

Rin already killed her parents' murderers back in the beginning (creepy mask guy and creepy heads guy). She definitely had her reasons for wanting revenge on Anotsu too, but there were significant countervailing factors to this by the end of the story that made it moot to me. Things got progressively more gray and Rin started questioning what she was trying to accomplish. She was introspective, and I admired her for that, but now her actions demonstrated that it was all for nothing. She still subscribes to the culture of blind revenge, and that is exactly the kind of pettiness I can not respect.

Throughout the story Rin was realizing that the world is much more gray and complicated than this, that it doesn't revolve around her tragedy, and that her reckless perpetuation of the cycle of violence has consequences for lives she did not intend. Pursuing archaic duties to the dead by killing more people did not bring her peace because real healing takes place within. Sometimes you just have to learn to live with the past, which is what her contact with Anotsu was helping her to do until she reverted back to her chapter 1 self in 204.

What she did to Anotsu was utterly pointless. She didn't need to do anything. Anotsu was no longer a threat to her. She could've just stood by Manji, maybe even hurl her usual insults, and let Anotsu get on the ship. He was probably going to die on his own anyway. He didn't want to live and I don't mind that he died. I mind how he died.

If he died from bloodloss, if he was killed by some random guy trying to collect a reward, even if he fell off a cliff, it would've been better than what happened. Ideally he could've died on the ship next to Makie while looking up at the sky. I could maybe even be okay with the senseless Manji/Anotsu fight if that happened. But Rin killing him irreversibly taints the soul of the story for me. Thank gods at least Manji didn't do it. I like Manji.


I agree with pretty much everything you said. I absolutely loved everything that happened before in the climactic battle but the way Anotsu died didn't please me at all. There was just no reason for it to happen. I was also somewhat surprised that he didn't see it coming. Surely someone of his calibur would be able to counter Rin's strike. I know he lost an arm but that didn't stop other characters from continuing in battle. He was able to prevent her from killing him in his sleep earlier. Rin is also a hypocritical bitch as a result. I thought she would have grown past her desire to kill him at this point. It just takes away from her character growth. Still, a great manga nonetheless.

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AlfyanApr 24, 2017 1:12 PM
May 15, 2014 12:59 AM
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Neiru2013 said:
Really pissed off at this chapter. I anticipated Anotsu would die, but this is the worst possible way it could've happened, imo. Anotsu showed remorse for what he did to Rin's family, saved her life at least a couple of times, and has been nothing but relentlessly helpful/nice to her since. Doesn't excuse the past, but for a while it looked like mutual growth and healing to me. Guess not. If there isn't some major remorseful or conflicted reflection about this in upcoming chapters it will drop BotI at least 1 rank on my favorites list since it ruins what the series meant to me.

Rin already killed her parents' murderers back in the beginning (creepy mask guy and creepy heads guy). She definitely had her reasons for wanting revenge on Anotsu too, but there were significant countervailing factors to this by the end of the story that made it moot to me. Things got progressively more gray and Rin started questioning what she was trying to accomplish. She was introspective, and I admired her for that, but now her actions demonstrated that it was all for nothing. She still subscribes to the culture of blind revenge, and that is exactly the kind of pettiness I can not respect.

Throughout the story Rin was realizing that the world is much more gray and complicated than this, that it doesn't revolve around her tragedy, and that her reckless perpetuation of the cycle of violence has consequences for lives she did not intend. Pursuing archaic duties to the dead by killing more people did not bring her peace because real healing takes place within. Sometimes you just have to learn to live with the past, which is what her contact with Anotsu was helping her to do until she reverted back to her chapter 1 self in 204.

What she did to Anotsu was utterly pointless. She didn't need to do anything. Anotsu was no longer a threat to her. She could've just stood by Manji, maybe even hurl her usual insults, and let Anotsu get on the ship. He was probably going to die on his own anyway. He didn't want to live and I don't mind that he died. I mind how he died.

If he died from bloodloss, if he was killed by some random guy trying to collect a reward, even if he fell off a cliff, it would've been better than what happened. Ideally he could've died on the ship next to Makie while looking up at the sky. I could maybe even be okay with the senseless Manji/Anotsu fight if that happened. But Rin killing him irreversibly taints the soul of the story for me. Thank gods at least Manji didn't do it. I like Manji.


It was explained why she did it though..... personally i thought the ending was awesome

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AlfyanApr 24, 2017 1:13 PM
Apr 24, 2017 11:44 AM
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Well Rin can out of nowhere.
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Aug 5, 2023 3:46 PM
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What a crazy turn of events. I assumed that by this stage in the story Manji would be more adamant on killing Anotsu given it was his job which he suffered endlessly to accomplish. I really thought Rin would have a change of heart.Turns out it was the other way around. Rin couldn't get over her hatred and thirst for revenge, saving Makie only to end up killing the sole person who gave her existence meaning (she died before anyways so it doesn't really matter?) when all was said and done.
May 13, 2:51 PM
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I honestly did not expect this, for the better or worse. First of all Rin came out of fucking nowhere, I'm not sure if im high but she literally was just not there, and in the next panel, she's suddenly charging towards Anotsu. Eh.

Rin not being over the revenge stuff is what surprised me tbh. Later on the story, it really seemed like she was healing. I get she wanted to see the ittou ryou's downfall, and her conviction on that never changes-- but she'd just "witness" it, i didnt know she'd actually participate in it. she ended up killing Anotsu. Why? To end the cycle of hatred because anotsu would have children.... Although theres not even any guarantee that Anotsu's children would end up like him anyway. To me, I think she just straight up wanted to do the final blow on anotsu out of revenge and satisfaction, like the hypocrite she is. I think she was just bullshitting when talking about "ending the cycle of hatred".

Yea im not sure, i feel iffy about this. I really prefer if Anotsu just died from bloodloss on the way back. It made no difference if rin did the final blow or not. He'd die anyway. This death just feels kinda regressive, but oh well....farewell to a great antagonist.
astoneonMay 13, 2:56 PM
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