| Would they fit together? Like Roy Focker in his VF-1S against Raven from AC4? |
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| I never saw macross. Dunno. Though i'm going for AC. lol |
| Ohhh. . . . . . . .okay. It is so that I'm currently GM a Robotech/Macross mission at a site, and is thinking to put some AC mechas in the game. |
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| And what do you suggest the AC use to fight it? Switch to gerwalk and hover in the air while spamming missile and sniping AC works IMO, also, gerwalks always have their boost on (at least they hover on ground). |
"Haruhi stood in front of a sign that says "Don't feed the pigeons," she then began to openly throw bread crumbs around like a gardener determined to make the wilting flowers blossom again. All I could say about this is that she's probably illiterate." - Kyon 2:3 |
| Well, they have their "Over boost" and AP which mechas from Macross/Robotech don't have. They also have their boosters which enables them to do quick boost and take the Veritechs by surprise. |
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| I have started a RPG campain where the players have arrived to a distant planet where they meet AC from Armored Core series. I asked what other people their thought about it. |
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| Well, I think they are quite alike....but the Ravens are from all games so far, mixed together. |
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| Well, you sure have some AC there ^^' |
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| Haven't played Last Raven yet, but I have read that their is quite many endings. Anyway, back to topic. Do you think they would work good together in a mission? Anybody want to join? |
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| So far in the game it works quite good ^^ |
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| Hmmm, ok, so I'll take the Macross side. If you're talking about SDF Macross's VF-1S (RF), you're pretty much just talking about an AC vs a faster than normal fighter in AC series, nothing special aside from being able to shift to MT-esqu enemies, which is still nowhere close to fighting ACs. For arsenal, either close to AC's machine gun, laser rifle, or multi missiles. VF-1S(F)(RF) though, might put up a fight with those reaction weapon (aka Nukes of something worse then AC large missiles) they carry at their wing hardpoint later in the story. Raise the level to Macross Plus, we get shit like YV-19 which, in game, is already much more agile then it's predecessors. Shitty part, no nuke, since they're at peace. Macross 7 vs AC is like a rapper vs a soldier. Well, maybe not if you count Max & Milia. For Macross Frontier, maybe not a regular VF-171, but VF-25 series would IMO out do ACs. They're arsenal are also updated from time to time, as their enemies can develop immunities to their previous munitions. Raise it to Galaxy's VF-27 series, ACs would just be toys. Especially since AC's are heavily geared towards land battle with limited aerial interception capabilities. All this still discounting Macrosses. Though a Macross without it's shield is nothing but a really large target practice. Maybe a good chance to waste Laser Cannon munitions, lol. Also, did my memory served me correctly that Hand Bazooka and Shoulder Slug Gun has the highest Damage x Ammo value, if they all of their ammo hits the target? |
| "Haruhi stood in front of a sign that says "Don't feed the pigeons," she then began to openly throw bread crumbs around like a gardener determined to make the wilting flowers blossom again. All I could say about this is that she's probably illiterate." - Kyon 2:3 |
| Advyn: I don't think that the Macross mecha would be target practice, VF-1 series could reach a max speed of Mach 4 and the AC can reach Mach 2 at most. It also have quite many missiles, hand rifle and also a huge cannon if equip with special boosters. I don't know much about the later Macross series, but they sure gets better and better. I think they could put up a quite good fight. Lyon-vigarde: The Kojima weapons is quite bad if I may say so, they have very, VERY, few shots that's most likely to miss the target. But if they do hit, well that is another story. The Primal Armor sure gives them a big advantage, but the Veritechs are more agile and can easily attack from behind and make quite many hits before the AC can turn and answer the attack. If the combat is in space, the AC is doomed (I think). |
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| Okay? But what does that have to do with if they work well together? |
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| Errr....okay? |
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| No problem ^^ |
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| Aww...and I think the Arm Forts are hard :( |
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| But what creates that monster then? If you destroy the factroy no more can be created, right? |
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| So how did you destroy it then? An army perhaps? |
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| Hrmm, well, another point I do admit about ACs are that their pilots (ravens) are no joke. No joke as in they are not recruited, but register and compete with each other, a bunch of elites. Macross in general are army dudes, they are recruited, and most of them discounting the main characters are nothing but just storm troopers. But if it we're battles between a Raven and a Macross main pilots, I'd still say it'd put up a really good fight. Mech wise, if you're bringing AC4 kind of ACs, then you're just bullying VFs. But remember me saying how VF-1S carries a reaction weaponry (nukes) on it's wing hard point? If your ACs, with whatever armor, can still be downed by the blast of those shoulder mounted Large Missiles, better luck next time. Also, long range laser rifles? Yeah, VF-25G might duke out of those ACs. Butter throught hot knifes? Most effective way to fight a Valkyrie (Variable Fighters) is either by swarms of missile attacks, or going for close quarter combat. So long if you can't soar to the clouds, they'd probably write LOL with their contrail. Last but not least, what year is AC4 is probably at? More than 2059? |
| "Haruhi stood in front of a sign that says "Don't feed the pigeons," she then began to openly throw bread crumbs around like a gardener determined to make the wilting flowers blossom again. All I could say about this is that she's probably illiterate." - Kyon 2:3 |
| But you need a good mecha in order to survive, despite how good you are. If your mecha dosen't have...for example an radiator, how are you gonna survive if you enter a radiation area with your skill? But you surly have a point in that the pilot and not in the mecha. Advyn: You sure like nuke don't you? ^^ But it seems like they will put a fight against each other. |
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| I think that nuke is way more effective than Kojima. Sure, they do a lot of damage but only if they hit and they are really slow. The nukes however, damage in a large area and they are faster. So I vote for nukes rather than Kojima. How about the heavy missiles in ACAnswer? It have 8 shots and if they hit you are almost a goner for sure, if you use a Kojima weapon you are likely to have 6 shots (maybe more) but you just have to move aside and you are safe. |
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| Lyon-vigarde: And once again: what does your mecha have to do with if they would fit together? In short: they would work quite well together. End of discussion. |
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| Need reply on this: 1. Would an AC with kojma still budge from Heavy Missiles in AC4? 2. Your AC could fly with the correct setup, what about air maneuverability? And at what speed? 3. What series of Macross you wanna try fighting? First Macross or latest Macross Frontier? Reminder, Valkyrie are not by all means a defensive machine like how an AC could be set as, they are fighter planes at the end of the day, they would shatter much faster then an AC would. Problem is, how to hit it, evading it's attacks, making sure it doesn't run away to resupply. And, no, attacking a Macross would only warrant you battleship cannon fire, missile swarm, a punch to the face by with aircraft carrier, and/or a fire from the Macross Cannon. Not that I like their nukes, the most, but they are the most damaging attack wieldable by a Valkyrie. And they're 'maybe' a higher version of AC's heavy missile. Also, do note that the nukes used by a valkyrie has a small blast radius, probably take an AC 4-5 steps forward to evade. Problem is that they can be launched together. This still discounting if they didn't fire a salvo of HE micro missiles to distract you. Well, all this still discounting VF-27 Lucifer which they say can only piloted by cyborgs due to the presure it places on the pilot (which I myself don't understand why). It has a gun that can fire a beam ala Gundam Wing, which took down a Vajra Battleship. It's speed can reach a few times the speed of regular fighters. In a full out assault battle, between 100+ ACs and Valkyries, I can't really say who would win. But if macross wanna play dirty, they could produce X-9 Ghost UAV. High speed, high reflex, no training time, and could care less about it's safety. So the time they need to get a replacement is just the time needed to produce another one. Arm them with a sufficient weapon to pierce them kojma, and AC would probably need to work on rebuffing 9-Ball or start guerrilla warfare. Another concern I have with AC is their mode of transport. How are they transported into battlefield? |
| "Haruhi stood in front of a sign that says "Don't feed the pigeons," she then began to openly throw bread crumbs around like a gardener determined to make the wilting flowers blossom again. All I could say about this is that she's probably illiterate." - Kyon 2:3 |
| Hey, Lyon. You wouldn't be interested in playing an AC pilot in my mission? My current players are only pilots from the Macross/Robotech universe and want to add some more feeling to the game. |
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| Well, first we have to create a char for you and then you can describe your AC ^^ Are you familiar with Robotech? We can create your char from this ^^ Character Name: <-- You pilots name Callsign: <--What his is called Rank: <-- Rank if in an army, if mercenary no rank O.C.C: <-- What kind of class, in your case AC pilot Race: Human <--no other chose Alignment: <--Good, selfish or evil XP Level: <-- Level XP Points: <--How much xp you have Next Level @ XP: <---How much you require Birth Order: <---First, second or last Place of Birth: <---Well....chose a continent Family Ties: <--If anybody is alive or if somebody is dead Relationship to Teammates: <--skip this one Outlook on Earth: <---What do you think of it? Prejudices & Paranoia: <--As it sounds, something you really hate Disposition: <---Nice guy, shy, quiet Insanity: N/A ATTRIBUTES <-- Roll 3d6 for each of one them, +1d6 on of your attributes reach 16 [Note: Only 1d6 per 16] IQ: (Intelligence) ME: (Your physical endurance) MA: (Your charm) PS: (Strength) PP: (your dexterity) PE: (how many punches you can take before going down) PB: ( the attractiveness of you character) SPD: (how fast you can run) PHYSICAL DATA HP: <--Your health gauge SDC: <--Your vitality Sex: <---Gender ^^ Age: <---Age Height: <---- ..... Weight: <---- .... Physical Build/Description: <-- Short description of your char, few lines Natural Abilities <--We get to this later O.C.C. Skills <---Different from class to class O.C.C. Related Skills <-- Other skills you can chose Combat Data <---Different from hand to hand HTH Type: Hand to hand: Number of Attacks: + Initiative Bonus: + Strike Bonus: + Parry Bonus: + Dodge Bonus: + HTH Damage Bonus: + Bonus to Roll w/Punch: + Bonus to Pull a Punch: + Bonus to Disarm: + Special Maneuvers: Punch—1D4 Kick—1D8 Other: Karate Punch Mecha Combat Data: <---Same here Number of Attacks: + Initiative Bonus: + Melee Strike Bonus: + Ranged Strike Bonus: + Parry Bonus: + Dodge Bonus: + Bonus to Roll w/ Impact: + Bonus to Pull w/ Punch: + Disarm: +0 Weapon Proficiencies <--What kind of weapons you can use Base Saving Throws Disease: 15 Lethal Poison: 18 Non-Lethal Poison: 18 Harmful Drugs: 16 Insanity: 13 Psionics: 16 Equipment List <---Free 2 flares 2 smoke grenades survival kit canteen dress uniform flight suit sunglasses jeans shirt boots Mecha Description: <---Your Mecha M.D.C by location Head – Arms – Hands – Legs/Engine Thrusters [] each Main Body – Reinforced Pilot Compartment – Retractable Utility Arms – [] each Wings – [] each Weapon Systems <--- Mecha weapons Background Story <-- Everybody have one |
HakazuMay 19, 2009 8:10 AM
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| Sure, we can take it that way. Just used to fill form like that, but this will work just fine to ^^ Okay, first we need a name for you character and what you call yourself. [example: Josh Bush / White Glint XD ] Second, are you a good guy? Selfish? Or just evil? Third, do you own 3d6? A dice which have 6 sides? |
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| Okay, thanks. That fills out some spots on the creation cheet, but now get to stats. Shall I roll for you or do you want? Also, you must have some background? Did your father beat you? Were you in love? Stuff like that. |
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| Okay, thanks. I will now fix the rest of the char for you. Now for the basic background story for you about the game. The story takes place in Answer, and the planet have been invaded by a mysterious race called the Invid. The planets companies tried first to resist the invaders but quickly switched sides and stabbed those few who still fight against the Invid and the Leauge. Years earlier some people arrived to the planet and established a embassy, they called themselves "REF" (Robotech Exportation Force). They was the first target during the first events from the Invid. That is the most basic, but if you have any questions just ask them ^^ The site, http://rpgonline.forumportal.se/forum |
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