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Nov 19, 2024 3:27 PM
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So as is tradition, every season of something gets a million threads from people that are either trying to bait or people who make a thread to say they like the season less than the previous one. I thought I'd make a post just going over some stuff I've seen (no spoilers here)

The timeskip

As stated at the start of the arc, a one year timeskip has occured since the end of arc 4. Yes, there are stories (many of them) that delve into what happened during it that have some fun character interactions and I'd recommend checking them out if you really like the series. Since there's a one year skip every character has grown closer as people should be able to tell by their interactions. The basis still being there but their conversations showing familiarity (Otto, Garfiel, Emilia, Beatrice). The one year skip however does not take away from the core of the characters or what was established at the end of s2

No Subaru is not suddenly mature all the time and yes he still does act goofy as he's always been, but he's much better at getting his point across to others now and he has skill and experience as a tactician. Garfiel is a kid btw (for anyone who didn't remember) so when people say he "glazes Subaru" it's really silly. He's been praising Subaru since the end of s2 as someone who could do anything after Subaru saves him from the sanctuary. Garfiel sees him as a big brother and he's the only major connection he's had so it's natural that he praises him extensively

Emilia

No she's not a damsel. If episode 7 didn't already establish that she's not willing to sit put and do nothing. Regulus is vastly more powerful than her so no, she's not going to do something stupid here and get herself killed before she's sure that someone on the caliber of Reinhard can actually try and intervene. She's incredibly strong but she's not dumb enough to duel him just yet. Episode 2 already showed that she's grown out of her shell so I'm not sure where people are getting the "she's uncharacteristically different" thing from

The side cast

People saying it's a smash "they're all here" with no setup is also a weird take to me given that..yeah episode 1 established why everyone was there. Season 1 already set a basis for how these characters act and s3 builds on that. These character's haven't seen each other for a long time but there was no time for a deeper reunion given the situation which is why the frantic nature of the arc is established until they cool off after the flood. I do have a criticism here that I can't say falls on anime onlys since there are many side stories that flesh these characters out that the anime does not adapt that gives so much more meaning to their interactions but that's unfortunately the nature of a light novel adaptation

Animation

Most of the comments I've seen on this have been positive but I've seen some incredibly out of touch comments on this too so I figured I'd get it out of the way. No, the budget is still high (not that it matters as much as anime fans act like it does), the animation direction has been consistent, there are good bits of character acting and "sakuga" (though it's nothing too impressive yet) but the season has maintained really solid prod value for the buildup section. As people should be able to tell by the name of the second half of the arc, the major stuff hasn't happened yet and they've stuck to consistency for now. I'm still not sure how people watched s2 and genuinely think that s3 doesn't look good after seeing a zoomed in png for 90% of s2 and minimal direction due to production issues and somehow thinking that's good? Either way, I've accepted that people don't have a clue about animation half the time but while it's nothing outstanding so far, it's been done consistently well

Pacing

This is a genuine issue for some episodes. S3 doesn't have 29 min episodes on the regular so some content like Garf's story were shortened significantly. Yes, the novel is nearly always better. Yes, that's always been the case. Some episodes have good pacing like episode 5 while others are sped through like 3.

I also have to point out here how I see some people calling some dialogue in episode 7 (pre-speech) meaningless. They adapted the full chapter this time with pretty much no cuts and then the same people who praise s2 say it's meaningless yap. I'm a big fan and even I know that the script decisions for s2 weren't the best at times and important lines were cut for characters talking in circles about the same thing while a zoomed in png sits on the screen was an issue. I have to take a second to point out how insanely hypocritical some people are about certain dialogue. But yes, the pre-speech was important to establish that despite there being stronger, smarter, more influential people, Subaru was still the one to speak. And yes, the conversation with Al about being a hero is also vital. I've seen people label the speech as cringe but...that's kinda who Subaru is and always has been. He's still 18 (not even a full adult) and he's an otaku. He speaks in a way that inspires people by dragging himself down to their level. I don't really understand how people sat through and enjoyed the first 2 seasons if they didn't get Subaru as a person but to each their own

That's not everything but I thought I'd make this anyway. Hope everyone is hyped for cour 2, I have a feeling that WF will knock it out of the park. And yes, Re:Zero does return to it's roots for the people who think that a battle arc is the norm. It's not. But I also know lots of people who love the fast paced approach it has compared to s2 so I guess you can't really make everyone happy
Nov 19, 2024 6:27 PM
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couldnt agree more
istg ppl just love to complain
Nov 19, 2024 7:08 PM
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If we stopped getting new anime and manga and they made illegal to watch anywhere in the world they would complain so just ignore them. It’s like my 7th grade social studies teacher once said everyone has butts; they don’t all smell good.
Nov 19, 2024 9:03 PM
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I don't really understand how people sat through and enjoyed the first 2 seasons if they didn't get Subaru as a person but to each their own


Plenty of people in the anime community are closet masochists, and not in a good way.

Anyway, it's a known fact that there is a human tendency to crave validation, to try convince others that they were "right" all along, yet not realizing they're wasting time doing so. Quite ironic (and moronic), really.

Hope everyone is hyped for cour 2, I have a feeling that WF will knock it out of the park.

I've high hopes they will. Would be nice to see some OVAs cover the side stories, or showcase the cut content some time in the future.

I guess you can't really make everyone happy

You cannot. Many people like being spoon-fed since anime should be "easy to consume", some people like digging deep into the details. One really cool thing for me was to view the no-death-timeline and it's amusing to see how Subaru appeared in the eyes of others, as opposed to seeing everything through Subaru's eyes alone. That's where all these characters and their arcs really shine.
Nov 19, 2024 9:56 PM
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I appreciate you for going through this effort, but I doubt most people making these threads are as serious as you.

These guys, even if they have Re:Zero (anime) in their favorites, couldn't reproduce the events properly when asked. Extremely bad attention span, susceptibility to hype, irrational thinking among other things have led to some cringe moments.

Also you will see these sort of people in S5. Because watching the popular seasonal shows is more of an obligation than anything. If RZ was a 150 ep long franchise without breaks or seasons, many of these would be... gone.
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
Nov 19, 2024 10:10 PM
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Nice, post. 👍 Though is kinda frustrating, that something so obvious even needs to be said.

Nov 20, 2024 1:44 AM
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None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".
Nov 20, 2024 3:31 AM
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Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

I haven't found a lot of valid criticism on MAL. There is for sure, but most could be answered just by watching the show.

I can safely say that around 90% of the "criticism" against Re:Zero here is from people who didn't watch the show or parts of it, or didn't listen to a few very important moments at the very least.
Nov 20, 2024 3:37 AM
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Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

I haven't found a lot of valid criticism on MAL. There is for sure, but most could be answered just by watching the show.

I can safely say that around 90% of the "criticism" against Re:Zero here is from people who didn't watch the show or parts of it, or didn't listen to a few very important moments at the very least.

You say that but even that is something you make up or believe, again just because you don't think it's valid doesn't mean others do as well. Especially with the obvious bias considering your profile picture lol
Nov 20, 2024 5:48 AM

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@Barbok But it's mostly the truth? Even the latest "am I the only one" post complains about the antagonists in Ep 3. Ep 3 when only two out of the teased antagonists had any good amount of screen time.

It's not only the truth in Re:Zero forums. People in MAL (if not in many other boards) have shown the sheer inability to analyze or criticize properly across franchises. Critics are the lamest beings on the planet if what we have come across count as criticisms.

We are not even talking about people simply calling things "boring" or "overrated" - there is absolutely nothing to discuss there.

Also none of what you have written here invalidates anything made in the post. At least they did the work of writing about some of the points. Meanwhile, you can just be proud of expressing emptiness in words.
Laplace_kunNov 20, 2024 7:08 AM
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
Nov 20, 2024 6:33 AM
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Great post. This season has been an easy target for complainers and the tweeting haters.

I see MT fans targeting Rezero, I see anti-Subaru delusionists who can’t grasp his character at all, and actual media literacy deficient bums that do not and will not understand Rezeros core principles as a series despite watching 2 seasons lol.

Arc 5 was a good read. But it was clearly written with the anime in mind being action heavy and high stakes. WF is delivering on that so far. Both are solid. Arc 6 will be even crazier given it’s widely regarded as Rezeros best arcs and fan fav by majority. And that’s on top of already good arcs from before.
Nov 20, 2024 6:56 AM

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None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".
It is complaining because they are invalid as they have been delicately addressed by the op
You aren't wrong, you are bad
You can't comprehend any of the counterpoints so you cope by completely dismissing them, unfortunately for you a "no u" can only invalidate another "no u" and nothing else
Nov 20, 2024 7:15 AM

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@LeoDrago I think it should be worth mentioning that MT fans shouldn't be singled out. There are many people masquerading as MT fans to use it as a "standard" against Re:Zero.

As a MT LN reader who has actually spent time here and there talking to many MT fans, they are actually a pretty chill bunch, despite having to face the Rudeus hate. Obviously this is biased sampling, but I think you get my point...

Not to mention how the two authors respect each other so much, and I'd love a collab like Isekai Quartet but more serious some day.
Laplace_kunNov 20, 2024 7:24 AM
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
Nov 20, 2024 8:44 AM
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Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

I think it’s weird that people use “people have different opinions” as some sort of carte blanche or shield.

Opinions can be invalid lol. The feelings attributed to the opinion held will always be valid. Your feelings are your feelings. However, the statements made in your opinions can absolutely be invalid. Especially if they’re based on a lack of comprehension.

OP did a great breakdown of why many common criticism are rather absurd.

You do not have to accept that there are people with different opinions, because opinions can be truthful and/or informed, and they can also be untruthful and/or uninformed. What you should accept though, is the right for them to have the *feelings* that they do.
Nov 20, 2024 11:28 PM
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Barbok said:
None of this invalidates the criticisms. Just accept there are people with different opinions, just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's "complaining".

I think it’s weird that people use “people have different opinions” as some sort of carte blanche or shield.

Opinions can be invalid lol. The feelings attributed to the opinion held will always be valid. Your feelings are your feelings. However, the statements made in your opinions can absolutely be invalid. Especially if they’re based on a lack of comprehension.

OP did a great breakdown of why many common criticism are rather absurd.

You do not have to accept that there are people with different opinions, because opinions can be truthful and/or informed, and they can also be untruthful and/or uninformed. What you should accept though, is the right for them to have the *feelings* that they do.
@Kanna4Rokudaime I'm sorry but I'm not going to let somebody with an 8.1 mean score tell me about invalid opinions.
Nov 21, 2024 3:16 AM
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@Kanna4Rokudaime I'm sorry but I'm not going to let somebody with an 8.1 mean score tell me about invalid opinions.

What does my score have to do with anything? I don’t even score half the stuff I watch. You sound silly.
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@Kanna4Rokudaime I'm sorry but I'm not going to let somebody with an 8.1 mean score tell me about invalid opinions.
@Barbok bro you're as cringe as the whingers who lack media literacy on this site.
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Nov 21, 2024 8:37 AM
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@Kanna4Rokudaime I'm sorry but I'm not going to let somebody with an 8.1 mean score tell me about invalid opinions.

What does my score have to do with anything? I don’t even score half the stuff I watch. You sound silly.
@Kanna4Rokudaime It has everything to do with it. Someone who has a mean score of 8 for the shows they watch is naturally more likely to dismiss a more critical opinion as invalid. This is because their consistently high ratings suggest a tendency to view content more positively overall, making it harder for them to appreciate or accept constructive criticism, especially when it leans more negative.
Nov 21, 2024 8:44 AM
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@Barbok bro you're as cringe as the whingers who lack media literacy on this site.
@Casul_Noob1997 Why the personal attack? I made what I think is a logical correlation. You can disagree with criticisms, but that doesn’t make those opinions invalid.

For example, I take your mean score into account because it shows you're more willing to be critical, which adds weight to your perspective in a discussion like this.

But attacking me personally instead of addressing my points, and assuming I’m just "whining" about the show, is confusing. I’ve been critical of this season, sure, but I still enjoy it—especially the last episode, which was a big improvement over episodes 3-7, which I found weaker. Overall, I’m positive about the show.

It’s frustrating when people dismiss anime-only watchers by claiming, “You just didn’t pay attention,” as if watching YouTubers or reading the novel makes their arguments about the Anime inherently superior.
Nov 21, 2024 9:12 AM
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@Barbok But it's mostly the truth? Even the latest "am I the only one" post complains about the antagonists in Ep 3. Ep 3 when only two out of the teased antagonists had any good amount of screen time.

It's not only the truth in Re:Zero forums. People in MAL (if not in many other boards) have shown the sheer inability to analyze or criticize properly across franchises. Critics are the lamest beings on the planet if what we have come across count as criticisms.

We are not even talking about people simply calling things "boring" or "overrated" - there is absolutely nothing to discuss there.

Also none of what you have written here invalidates anything made in the post. At least they did the work of writing about some of the points. Meanwhile, you can just be proud of expressing emptiness in words.
@Laplace_kun Like OP, you have an above-average mean score, so it’s natural to see things more positively.(which isnt a bad thing but important to consider). But many fans defending the anime and dismissing criticism often rely on extra context from light novels or YouTube deep dives—context that anime-only viewers won’t have. It’s unrealistic to expect everyone to catch every small detail, and it’s the anime’s job to ensure the story still makes sense without requiring extra material.

Criticizing people for “not paying attention” when they didn’t watch a breakdown of every frame (exxageration), is unfair. Most of the common critiques aren’t even about minor details but rather about production and direction choices, like the rushed time skip or missing key moments from previous seasons that were only mentioned in the novel and left out entirely from the anime (one of those examples being Subarus Indiana Jones training only being shown for one scene without much context as to why). These issues stand out more to anime-only viewers, and it’s not about “not understanding the characters” or “not paying attention,” especially when those viewers made it this far into the series without issue. Why would they suddenly stop paying attention now?

Of course, empty complaints like “this show sucks lol” don’t warrant engagement, but disregarding valid criticism by blaming the audience is absurd. It’s okay to enjoy the show, but we should acknowledge that it has flaws, especially given how convoluted some parts of the earlier seasons are without LN context. Fans shouldn’t need supplemental material to follow along, and criticism from anime-only viewers is valid within that context. This is an anime discussion board after all, you'll have anime only watchers that will be confused about skipped content, left out from previous and even this season already.
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@Laplace_kun Like OP, you have an above-average mean score, so it’s natural to see things more positively.(which isnt a bad thing but important to consider). But many fans defending the anime and dismissing criticism often rely on extra context from light novels or YouTube deep dives—context that anime-only viewers won’t have. It’s unrealistic to expect everyone to catch every small detail, and it’s the anime’s job to ensure the story still makes sense without requiring extra material.

Criticizing people for “not paying attention” when they didn’t watch a breakdown of every frame (exxageration), is unfair. Most of the common critiques aren’t even about minor details but rather about production and direction choices, like the rushed time skip or missing key moments from previous seasons that were only mentioned in the novel and left out entirely from the anime (one of those examples being Subarus Indiana Jones training only being shown for one scene without much context as to why). These issues stand out more to anime-only viewers, and it’s not about “not understanding the characters” or “not paying attention,” especially when those viewers made it this far into the series without issue. Why would they suddenly stop paying attention now?

Of course, empty complaints like “this show sucks lol” don’t warrant engagement, but disregarding valid criticism by blaming the audience is absurd. It’s okay to enjoy the show, but we should acknowledge that it has flaws, especially given how convoluted some parts of the earlier seasons are without LN context. Fans shouldn’t need supplemental material to follow along, and criticism from anime-only viewers is valid within that context. This is an anime discussion board after all, you'll have anime only watchers that will be confused about skipped content, left out from previous and even this season already.
@Barbok
Like OP, you have an above-average mean score, so it’s natural to see things more positively.


I am sorry, a sentence like this is so... vapid and delusional I can't take anything you say seriously. Especially considering your own score is over 6.5. In both terms of a screwed up personal viewpoint and universal standpoint you make a nothing statement.
Laplace_kunNov 21, 2024 10:23 AM
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
Nov 21, 2024 10:34 AM
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@Kanna4Rokudaime It has everything to do with it. Someone who has a mean score of 8 for the shows they watch is naturally more likely to dismiss a more critical opinion as invalid. This is because their consistently high ratings suggest a tendency to view content more positively overall, making it harder for them to appreciate or accept constructive criticism, especially when it leans more negative.
@Barbok

HUH? There’s absolutely zero correlation.


The shows I give high ratings to have EARNED them. I generally don’t rate anything I consider mediocre or poor. This shows I have quality discernment. Being selective in who I give positive ratings too shows I have a higher standard and will not award shows that do not meet said standard.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule; I’ve had this account for almost a decade. Even so, the fact that my average mean score is still positive, proves I’m not watching a bunch of GARBAGE.

Sounds like you’ve got a skill issue.
Nov 21, 2024 11:37 AM
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HUH? There’s absolutely zero correlation.


The shows I give high ratings to have EARNED them. I generally don’t rate anything I consider mediocre or poor. This shows I have quality discernment. Being selective in who I give positive ratings too shows I have a higher standard and will not award shows that do not meet said standard.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule; I’ve had this account for almost a decade. Even so, the fact that my average mean score is still positive, proves I’m not watching a bunch of GARBAGE.

Sounds like you’ve got a skill issue.

point completely missed 😑
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@Laplace_kun Like OP, you have an above-average mean score, so it’s natural to see things more positively.(which isnt a bad thing but important to consider). But many fans defending the anime and dismissing criticism often rely on extra context from light novels or YouTube deep dives—context that anime-only viewers won’t have. It’s unrealistic to expect everyone to catch every small detail, and it’s the anime’s job to ensure the story still makes sense without requiring extra material.

Criticizing people for “not paying attention” when they didn’t watch a breakdown of every frame (exxageration), is unfair. Most of the common critiques aren’t even about minor details but rather about production and direction choices, like the rushed time skip or missing key moments from previous seasons that were only mentioned in the novel and left out entirely from the anime (one of those examples being Subarus Indiana Jones training only being shown for one scene without much context as to why). These issues stand out more to anime-only viewers, and it’s not about “not understanding the characters” or “not paying attention,” especially when those viewers made it this far into the series without issue. Why would they suddenly stop paying attention now?

Of course, empty complaints like “this show sucks lol” don’t warrant engagement, but disregarding valid criticism by blaming the audience is absurd. It’s okay to enjoy the show, but we should acknowledge that it has flaws, especially given how convoluted some parts of the earlier seasons are without LN context. Fans shouldn’t need supplemental material to follow along, and criticism from anime-only viewers is valid within that context. This is an anime discussion board after all, you'll have anime only watchers that will be confused about skipped content, left out from previous and even this season already.
@Barbok I completely agree with you. I don't get why the rezero fanbase can't handle any form of criticism. They're genuinely so full of themselves, probably one of the most toxic fanbases I've come across. They just can't accept that people can have different opinions, "nO yOuRe OpInIoN iS iNvAliD, yOuRe StUpId", its honestly pointless trying to have a constructive conversation with most of them.
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HUH? There’s absolutely zero correlation.


The shows I give high ratings to have EARNED them. I generally don’t rate anything I consider mediocre or poor. This shows I have quality discernment. Being selective in who I give positive ratings too shows I have a higher standard and will not award shows that do not meet said standard.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule; I’ve had this account for almost a decade. Even so, the fact that my average mean score is still positive, proves I’m not watching a bunch of GARBAGE.

Sounds like you’ve got a skill issue.

point completely missed 😑
@Barbok

No it wasn’t. You said my opinion was invalid because my mean score is 8.1. Which somehow correlates to me not being able to accept or readily willing to dismiss negative “valid” criticism.

To which I said, there is no correlation. Then I went on to say that if anything, it proves I know a good thing when I see one because my scores are high. I don’t score everything I watch—more than half of my list is un-scored, and of the stuff I do score, I tend to rate it highly.

Meaning my overall discernment is good. Which means when I see something unfairly criticized, I’m a better judge than average.

I can’t believe we’re arguing over whether or not my opinion is valid because my score is an 8. Didn’t you start off by saying “just accept people have different opinions”? What happened to that?

Anyways. Season 3 has been solid and I’m enjoying it. Subaru has grown on me because of this arc. Emilia too.
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@Kanna4Rokudaime It has everything to do with it. Someone who has a mean score of 8 for the shows they watch is naturally more likely to dismiss a more critical opinion as invalid. This is because their consistently high ratings suggest a tendency to view content more positively overall, making it harder for them to appreciate or accept constructive criticism, especially when it leans more negative.
@Barbok It doesn't mean anything really. Many people just prioritize their time and only choose good high-profile shows to watch which naturally leads to high mean score, while there are others who're willing to sit through even trashy isekais and romcoms every season. You need to take sample skewness into account too. Even then, dismissing others' opinions just because they have higher mean score is unreasonable.

Opinions can absolutely be invalid if it can be disproven like saying "I think bowling balls fall faster than apples". Being uninformed about a subject doesn't excuse or make your misinformation about the show become valid, especially when the counterexamples are already available in the anime. You could, however, instead criticize the way the show presents itself, the bloated dialogues, the uninspiring backgrounds, lack of animation etc. (most of my issues with ss2 as an anime-only) which made it hard for you to digest the information in the first place.

From what I've seen the majority of the fandom would accept as long as your criticisms are well-presented, and you don't rage-bait or argue in bad faith. Take the most recent thread criticizing the Archbishops for example. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2190017. There are people agreeing to disagree but overall, the reception has been pretty good. No one called the OP "nO yOuRe OpInIoN iS iNvAliD, yOuRe StUpId" or “You just didn’t pay attention,” anything like that.

Barbok said:
watching YouTubers or reading the novel makes their arguments about the Anime inherently superior.
It is lol. Obviously they have the advantages since they have more ammunition to bring to the table than us anime-onlies. Just make sure they don't use supplementary materials outside the anime. Having said that, some LN readers are just trying to be helpful so people can understand the series better, not necessarily because they want to win an argument or dismiss them.
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