Why do a lot of MT fans try to defend EVERYTHING their faves do?

people who do that make it pretty difficult to discuss this show's characters without it just devolving into arguments

Because it has been overused as an argument for debate for the past 3 goddamn years. Using the same rhetorical bullshit to criticize a show for gets real annoying real fast. Fans have to deal with that hate constantly, so why are you surprised everyone has lost all patience?

Characters do wrong things for a reason and these reasons are what you described as "every excuse under the sun" in your post.
This is a discussion, so naturally people will point out the reasons of the character's actions and if they think they were justified, then they will defend them.

You're doing a common mistake Anime fans tend to do. Explanations ≠ Justifications

I wouldn't defend Rudy, but it's nice to watch a show where the main character isn't almost perfect. MT to me is kinda unique. I really don't like Rudy and a number of the characters, but I find the rest of it worth coming back every week. So why not defend what you like. How would you feel if I took something you like and tore it apart? You would somewhat defend it to.

I think a fanbase becomes jaded when a show they like with deep worldbuilding and complex characters gets reduced to P word acusation arguments time and time again.

From what I noticed most discussions that are allowed to flourish never excuse all the bad things that happen in the show.

Personaly I just get frustrated MT gets viewed with a way stricter lens, where shows with murder, genocide or other immoral events do not have to deal with that.

@Zarutaku I hear that to a certain extent. The problem here is that a lot of the times the reasons do not actually justify the actions and even when the characters themselves acknowledge it, people get super defensive.

Criticizing a character for what? Being a bad human being? Yeah that's the point mate. The fans all admit Rudeus isn't a good person, but they get called pedos whenever they try to explain this to the so called "critics".

Ppl who genuinely wanna criticize Rudeus and not blindly hate have exhausted their arguments long ago. The only ones left are the social justice workers pushing their agendas. If this thread was made 3 years ago, you'd have a point.

That’s what I’m saying, it’s like they didn’t watch the episode. There’s a difference between criticizing the show and criticizing the characters for immoral actions by THEIR OWN STANDARDS. Roxy herself says IN THE SHOW what she did was shitty and she took advantage of his vulnerability. Rudeus literally refers to himself as a scumbag for wanting a 2nd woman after promising to be faithful to the first. We’re not haters for saying they did smth wrong with these things regardless of if there were good results.

Imagine watching sth for 3 years, crucifying the character for his immorality constantly, calling the fans pedos for disagreeing with their opinion, spouting the same nonsense over and over again to simply to devalue the love the fans have for the show, and then being flabbergasted that the fans disregard your opinion without a second thought.

Rudeus always makes new mistakes, but there ain't nothing new in his behavior. So how long do you need to "criticize" him until you satisfy your fetish? Do y'all ever get bored?

You're reading my comments, but I can tell you understand nothing I've said. Try putting your own fav anime in such position, maybe then you'll understand all the anger the fans show towards your critiques.

I feel more so that I tolerate Rudy rather than defend him. It's the same for almost any mc.

Take eren Yaeger for example, he does rlly bad shit that no one can defend, but aot is still such a beloved show regardless.

how is this any different?

Sorry bruh, but when for example someone complains about Rudy literally a saving a girl from slavery, then it's not valid criticism and hate is so obviously forced. It's just one example of many.
So, when you try to force your own morals on those fictional characters from fictional setting and culture, don't be surprised when your non-arguments get a pushback.



That's a solid point, yes. For over three years we've been hearing non stop "30+ yo in child's body", but now Roxy is a pdfile after having schmecks with Rudy, who was already a legal adult at the time. Their hate is so damn desperate and forced it's not even funny anymore.

because it's been the same discussion every week for 3 years lmao. They're supposed to have flaws, that's the whole point of the story.

I think MT fans are just tired of being labeled pedo's for liking this show. I don't go round calling dbz fans nazi's cuz they tolerate Frieza (who let's be honest is space hitler)

Btw, I thank you for being so cool about this. It's so refreshing compared to other people who just insult each other. Props to you

Your arguments for criticizing Rudeus' actions are the same as those that have been used for over 3 years. This is my only point that I've been trying to get through. No reason to keep using them.

I have one question that is boggling me actually: What exactly is your argument pro the recent critique on Rudeus and Roxy? Cuz the only threads I've seen on this topic so far have all been random hate on Roxy and Rudy for being irresponsible cheaters. What I don't get is, why go through all this trouble of debating with the fans over this? What do you want? Validation? Cuz what else can fans offer other than forfeit their own opinion on this matter?

@Piromysl

Oh brother...you again. Once again you show your lack of reading comprehension skills. Bringing up Rudy buying that slave and saving her as a point when slavery is literally legal in that world and by the world's standards is completely acceptable...when I SPECIFICALLY said that I'm talking about things he does that are seen as wrong even in that world. Hilarious.

But let's actually take this a step further...

Rudeus is in a fairly unique position in this world, having been born into this world with memories of his past life in another world. In some ways, he still holds himself to some of the same standards that he had from his old world (hence why he was so critical of Paul for so long). Do you think it's wrong for fans of the series to hold him to some of these standards he holds himself to? If so, why?



I don't agree with the takes of these people, but because you've tried so hard to put words in my mouth in previous threads, I'll play devil's advocate here:

Roxy does not know about Rudeus' previous life. She does not know that he's actually a 30+ year old man mentally (or at least has memories from his old 30+ year old life). How would it be hypocrisy to hold Roxy to the same standards that they hold Rudeus given that from Roxy's perspective Rudeus is just some kid she taught when he was 3?

(Before someone gets on my ass for this, I do not actually think Roxy is a groomer considering she didn't do anything that can be considered grooming. There's a difference between grooming (a deliberate act to try to train a child into becoming your ideal partner by the time they become an adult) and meeting someone again and falling in love when they are legally an adult (since Rudy is legally an adult in this world) )

oh well, to anwser the question to your thread. I don't think mt lovers truly defend Rudeus' actions, and it'd be shameful if they did.

I feel like they more so give reasons to justify what has happened and why it did, in MT's case it's usually to teach rudy a life lesson. Cuz let's not forget, this is a coming of age story.

It's a shame some people can't cope with that, but them not watching it (thus not knowing anything about it) and then critisising everyone who did?

It's nothing short of pathetic and can get on someone's nerves from time to time, especially if it's every sunday.

Again tyvm for listening to me yapping

It seems like every post about this series devolves into name-calling. Several of the themes in this show(infidelity, slavery, sexualizing children) are spicier than your run-of-the-mill battle shounen, so it's bound to happen. I can dislike Rudeus and love the series at the same time, but plenty of superfans won't accept it.

And I'm talking an average hater mentality, who desperately tries to validate their bad takes and latch to absolutely anything. Someone like you, actually. Your point?

Which bring us to this golden nugget:



Ah, yes. "Memories from previous life", when Rudy was on his lowest and scummiest. Holding him to his standards from previous world is something you should totally not do. You so damn desperately latch to this one scene as if it means literally everything, it's actually cringe. The series explores themes of redemption, self-improvement, and the complexity of human nature, emphasizing that people are not simply good or bad but capable of change and growth, just like making mistakes. Character development is not flip of the switch.



I am apparently strawmaning you, yet you still gonna address the point you didn't make? Yea, very subtle. It's not like I demanded you to adress it, but whatever.
The point is, that you cannot expect people to take haters seriously, when they somehow see two adults having schmecks and somehow see pdfilia. It is extremely hypocritical and clear and obvious projection on their part.

Nope it's just something YOU THINK I'm like, based on your own lack of reading comprehension skills and putting words in my mouth. These are literally people I have criticized constantly and even addressed in this post, so you bringing them up here is irrelevant.



When characters don't hold themselves to their own moral standards, that is something that can be criticized and discussed critically. You so desperately latch on to your favorite characters that any critical discussion about them is a personal insult to you. You genuinely believe that all discussion involving every character in the show has to be positive in nature, which is not only coming from a sense of personal insecurity, but it is also childish.



Indeed...just playing into the role that you have taken it upon yourself to give me :)



They would be hypocrites if they didn't hold Roxy to the same standards they held Rudy to. So no...they aren't hypocrites. What they ARE however, are morons lmao.

You want to tell me, that you DID NOT made multiple post whining and complaining because Sylphie did not acted the way you wanted and Rudy made a mistake to which he owned up and admitted fault?



Once again, the mere fact, that Rudy acknowledged his mistake and profusely apologized just proves how very wrong you are and him having a moment of weakness does not change that. You might have a point if the two decided not to tell Sylphie about their encounter, but they did. Because they have some standards. You so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge this, which is pretty telling.
And Sylphie on top of that, acted very much according to her standard.



Both of them are legal adults, yet they somehow see pdfilia and grooming. Don't you think that it is either forced hate or a projection? You don't have to defend this.

The point you have failed to grasp and understand this entire time is that a character acknowledging their fuck ups and owning up to them does not mean those actions can't be critically discussed by fans of the show. The reality is those characters still committed those acts. What you also fail to understand is that criticizing/critically discussing these things does not mean that we don't acknowledge that they have owned up to these acts and made strides to redeem themselves. That is another topic entirely that can also be discussed. You are so attached to these characters that these simple concepts seem alien to you.



I quite literally started off by saying I don't agree with them and that I only did a devil's advocate for them pretty much out of petty spite. I also quite literally called those people morons...but apparently I'm "defending" them 💀

Nah, not falling for it. You continuous and stubborn refusal to acknowledge the fact, that apology did happened is well noted, just like your disapproval of Sylphie's position, even calling her a "cuck" and cheating was entire premise of your complaint. If you would at any point acknowledge the healing process, there would be no debate.
Your gaslighting can literally only work if there is no evidence to the contrary.



Pretty sure, that playing Devil's Advocate constitutes as "defending", whether you like it or not. That's the side you took and the hill to die on.
And that's definitely the only thing you did out of spite.

@Piromysl Uh huh...whatever you say Geoff.