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Jun 11, 2024 7:55 PM
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bruh im genuinely shocked.

IMO Mika is the best character in this show, but i understand people liking Shima and Mitsumi more...

BUT how the f do Nao and Yuzuki both have more favorites than her lmfao like??????? especially Nao, she is just a nice secondary character :VVVV

I'm just curious :) please let me know what y'all think!
Jun 11, 2024 8:16 PM
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The beautiful thing about this anime is that every character is likeable and treated with a lot of care by the author. So, I can't really complain about someone being more popular than the other. I love all 5 of those characters. I do relate with Egashira Mika more. But not everyone will.
Jun 11, 2024 8:18 PM
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I'm with you, man. Mika is super unpopular for some reason. She is my favorite as well.

About Nao:

It's just impossible, so many people prefer a NPC (lol) over an actual good-writing character like Mika.
I think the Nao-chan 90 favorites are bots. 

And I personally understand Yuzuki hype, but Mika >>
Jun 11, 2024 8:32 PM
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The beautiful thing about this anime is that every character is likeable and treated with a lot of care by the author. So, I can't really complain about someone being more popular than the other. I love all 5 of those characters. I do relate with Egashira Mika more. But not everyone will.
@MITB totally agree! i just think Nao having 90 favs is kinda weird (:
I mean she is a great aunt but that's it
Jun 11, 2024 9:08 PM
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Have you read the manga? I imagine that's where most of the Nao votes come from. Really all the characters in this series are fantastic but I'm in agreement that Mika is the best character in the series
Jun 11, 2024 9:48 PM
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Ins’t Mika the calculating jealous girl who is always putting on a fake personality and she makes friends with the main female character to get closer to the guy she liked?

Knowing this, I am not very surprised that she has been unpopular.

Honestly, why would people think she is a good character?

If you are going to say “character growth” through the series, then maybe a bit, but even that was reluctantly.

Please feel free to explain what your perspective is, I am genuinely curious.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Jun 11, 2024 10:29 PM
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I really loved yuzuki and mika, the former's personality is wholly relatable and irl I get jealous of people like yuzuki ,forgetting that beneath the glamour and halo effect ,people are all somewhat fragile with different interests.
We all definitely deserve a friend like Makoto.
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Jun 11, 2024 10:34 PM
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LzGamer said:
I'm with you, man. Mika is super unpopular for some reason. She is my favorite as well.

About Nao:

It's just impossible, so many people prefer a NPC (lol) over an actual good-writing character like Mika.
I think the Nao-chan 90 favorites are bots. 

And I personally understand Yuzuki hype, but Mika >>

Nao diss makes me angwyyy😡!
As a frustrated adult with confusing roads to cross, Nao's back story was truly cathartic and while I didn't change or find my path,it felt great to see how humans discover their needs and desires, fiction can sometimes be a great outlet for help.
It is ok to not like or hate a character but you can't expect others to align with your thoughts.
OsakaiscuteJun 11, 2024 10:50 PM
Jun 12, 2024 3:16 PM
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ejleon said:
Ins’t Mika the calculating jealous girl who is always putting on a fake personality and she makes friends with the main female character to get closer to the guy she liked?

Yup, all of that is true. At the same time, I think Mika is a very relatable and likable character.

The volleyball practice episode reveals a lot about who Mika is as a person. She had joined the volleyball club to improve herself and become closer with talented and interesting people. She's always on a diet and studies fashion magazines to look presentable. She's calculating and abrasive in order to appear strong and charming. Behind all this, there's the belief that she's nobody special and that she has to work hard for people to like her. And she is fully aware of what she's like and is not particularly proud about it.

Which is why she finds Mitsumi frustrating but also impossible to hate. She admires how "herself" Mitsumi is and still makes friends. She is envious of how Mitsumi acts without an ulterior motive and takes things at face value, including Mika herself. She also finds it amusing how clumsy and clueless Mitsumi can be, but can't just sit by when she's bumbling into a disastrous situation.

It feels like there's an actual person there, warts and all, rather than an anime character that fits a role in the story. (I feel like this can be applied to basically every character in this anime...)

I should mention that I'm caught up with the manga, and I did warm up to her over time. But I think anime-Mika is still a very good character as is.
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perseii said:
ejleon said:
Ins’t Mika the calculating jealous girl who is always putting on a fake personality and she makes friends with the main female character to get closer to the guy she liked?

Yup, all of that is true. At the same time, I think Mika is a very relatable and likable character.

The volleyball practice episode reveals a lot about who Mika is as a person. She had joined the volleyball club to improve herself and become closer with talented and interesting people. She's always on a diet and studies fashion magazines to look presentable. She's calculating and abrasive in order to appear strong and charming. Behind all this, there's the belief that she's nobody special and that she has to work hard for people to like her. And she is fully aware of what she's like and is not particularly proud about it.

Which is why she finds Mitsumi frustrating but also impossible to hate. She admires how "herself" Mitsumi is and still makes friends. She is envious of how Mitsumi acts without an ulterior motive and takes things at face value, including Mika herself. She also finds it amusing how clumsy and clueless Mitsumi can be, but can't just sit by when she's bumbling into a disastrous situation.

It feels like there's an actual person there, warts and all, rather than an anime character that fits a role in the story. (I feel like this can be applied to basically every character in this anime...)

I should mention that I'm caught up with the manga, and I did warm up to her over time. But I think anime-Mika is still a very good character as is.

You mean that people like that exist in real life, yeah in that sense the creators captured a character that has a realistic behavior.

On the other hand, I don’t think that is something we should support or praise.

I’m not talking about the dieting / fashion / sports, that’s something a lot of people do.

I’m talking about her being selfish, aggressive, calculating, manipulative, proud, lying, jealous, and hateful.

She is not improving herself, she puts on a false personality to trick people, but it is actually off putting, because people can tell it is fake, so they stay away from her.

She is not strong, but actually frail, weak, immature, and controlled by her emotions.

She loves herself too much, so she is incapable of truly loving her friends or her boyfriend, if she ever got one, because she would always put herself first.

People like that had bad parenting, since she never learned how to be unselfish, to be honest, to be considerate, to be kind /caring, to love others as she loves herself, and to not care what people think about them.

People like this should realize how bad she is when observing Mitsumi, and she should change herself to be more like the main female character, not continue to be a fake friend.

I disliked Mika the entire time and she made me like other characters more.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Jun 12, 2024 10:04 PM

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ejleon said:
Ins’t Mika the calculating jealous girl who is always putting on a fake personality and she makes friends with the main female character to get closer to the guy she liked?

Yup, all of that is true. At the same time, I think Mika is a very relatable and likable character.

The volleyball practice episode reveals a lot about who Mika is as a person. She had joined the volleyball club to improve herself and become closer with talented and interesting people. She's always on a diet and studies fashion magazines to look presentable. She's calculating and abrasive in order to appear strong and charming. Behind all this, there's the belief that she's nobody special and that she has to work hard for people to like her. And she is fully aware of what she's like and is not particularly proud about it.

Which is why she finds Mitsumi frustrating but also impossible to hate. She admires how "herself" Mitsumi is and still makes friends. She is envious of how Mitsumi acts without an ulterior motive and takes things at face value, including Mika herself. She also finds it amusing how clumsy and clueless Mitsumi can be, but can't just sit by when she's bumbling into a disastrous situation.

It feels like there's an actual person there, warts and all, rather than an anime character that fits a role in the story. (I feel like this can be applied to basically every character in this anime...)

I should mention that I'm caught up with the manga, and I did warm up to her over time. But I think anime-Mika is still a very good character as is.
@perseii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i totally agree with this
Jun 12, 2024 10:16 PM

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ejleon said:
I don’t think that is something we should support or praise.

Of course not. But I can still like a character even if they're not "good people." And I feel the show is very good at depicting why and how she's like that in a believable and somewhat sympathetic way.

ejleon said:
People like this should realize how bad she is when observing Mitsumi, and she should change herself to be more like the main female character, not continue to be a fake friend.

Everything you said about Mika in your reply, I mostly agree. But I really disagree with this part.

I don't think Mika is being a "fake friend" towards Mitsumi. Yes, in the first few episodes she was only using her to get close to Shima, but I think she genuinely starts to understand and like Mitsumi around the time of the volleyball episode. For one, she mostly "drops the act" of the cute, extroverted girl, and does try to help Mitsumi and look after her in small ways, if a little reluctantly.

Mika does realize "how bad she is" when looking at Mitsumi. She looks genuinely ashamed when Mitsumi mentions the people that helped her while Mika was focusing on the students that wronged her. As I mentioned, she's already pretty aware of her own negative qualities.

"Then why doesn't she change herself?" You can't tell selfish people to stop being so selfish. Or emotional people to stop being so emotional. Sure, they can outwardly act like they've changed, but it's a slow process to actually change.

I think the show is explicitly not about "you should change yourself to be more like Mitsumi." The show understands that people are wired in certain ways and don't change very easily, even if they're trying really hard. Mitsumi tries harder than anyone to improve herself, and a lot of comedy comes from her clumsy attempts to become more diligent, tactful, fashionable, etc.

In fact, every character in the show has got their weird idiosyncrasies and unhealthy personality traits that they have a hard time getting rid of. It's made clear by the end of the season that Shima is a pretty messed up person himself, beneath the handsome, agreeable persona. Mitsumi too is somewhat full of herself and self-righteous, and she's not very considerate of other people's feelings (which Mika often points out, funnily enough).

Characters try to help each other (slowly) fix these inadequacies, or at least try to understand, work around and accept them. The show stands out to me for being so sensitive and kind-hearted about this, even towards Mika.
Jun 12, 2024 10:21 PM

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ejleon said:
I don’t think that is something we should support or praise.

Of course not. But I can still like a character even if they're not "good people." And I feel the show is very good at depicting why and how she's like that in a believable and somewhat sympathetic way.

ejleon said:
People like this should realize how bad she is when observing Mitsumi, and she should change herself to be more like the main female character, not continue to be a fake friend.

Everything you said about Mika in your reply, I mostly agree. But I really disagree with this part.

I don't think Mika is being a "fake friend" towards Mitsumi. Yes, in the first few episodes she was only using her to get close to Shima, but I think she genuinely starts to understand and like Mitsumi around the time of the volleyball episode. For one, she mostly "drops the act" of the cute, extroverted girl, and does try to help Mitsumi and look after her in small ways, if a little reluctantly.

Mika does realize "how bad she is" when looking at Mitsumi. She looks genuinely ashamed when Mitsumi mentions the people that helped her while Mika was focusing on the students that wronged her. As I mentioned, she's already pretty aware of her own negative qualities.

"Then why doesn't she change herself?" You can't tell selfish people to stop being so selfish. Or emotional people to stop being so emotional. Sure, they can outwardly act like they've changed, but it's a slow process to actually change.

I think the show is explicitly not about "you should change yourself to be more like Mitsumi." The show understands that people are wired in certain ways and don't change very easily, even if they're trying really hard. Mitsumi tries harder than anyone to improve herself, and a lot of comedy comes from her clumsy attempts to become more diligent, tactful, fashionable, etc.

In fact, every character in the show has got their weird idiosyncrasies and unhealthy personality traits that they have a hard time getting rid of. It's made clear by the end of the season that Shima is a pretty messed up person himself, beneath the handsome, agreeable persona. Mitsumi too is somewhat full of herself and self-righteous, and she's not very considerate of other people's feelings (which Mika often points out, funnily enough).

Characters try to help each other (slowly) fix these inadequacies, or at least try to understand, work around and accept them. The show stands out to me for being so sensitive and kind-hearted about this, even towards Mika.
@perseii 100%!!!!!!!!!
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ejleon said:
I don’t think that is something we should support or praise.

Of course not. But I can still like a character even if they're not "good people." And I feel the show is very good at depicting why and how she's like that in a believable and somewhat sympathetic way.

ejleon said:
People like this should realize how bad she is when observing Mitsumi, and she should change herself to be more like the main female character, not continue to be a fake friend.

Everything you said about Mika in your reply, I mostly agree. But I really disagree with this part.

I don't think Mika is being a "fake friend" towards Mitsumi. Yes, in the first few episodes she was only using her to get close to Shima, but I think she genuinely starts to understand and like Mitsumi around the time of the volleyball episode. For one, she mostly "drops the act" of the cute, extroverted girl, and does try to help Mitsumi and look after her in small ways, if a little reluctantly.

Mika does realize "how bad she is" when looking at Mitsumi. She looks genuinely ashamed when Mitsumi mentions the people that helped her while Mika was focusing on the students that wronged her. As I mentioned, she's already pretty aware of her own negative qualities.

"Then why doesn't she change herself?" You can't tell selfish people to stop being so selfish. Or emotional people to stop being so emotional. Sure, they can outwardly act like they've changed, but it's a slow process to actually change.

I think the show is explicitly not about "you should change yourself to be more like Mitsumi." The show understands that people are wired in certain ways and don't change very easily, even if they're trying really hard. Mitsumi tries harder than anyone to improve herself, and a lot of comedy comes from her clumsy attempts to become more diligent, tactful, fashionable, etc.

In fact, every character in the show has got their weird idiosyncrasies and unhealthy personality traits that they have a hard time getting rid of. It's made clear by the end of the season that Shima is a pretty messed up person himself, beneath the handsome, agreeable persona. Mitsumi too is somewhat full of herself and self-righteous, and she's not very considerate of other people's feelings (which Mika often points out, funnily enough).

Characters try to help each other (slowly) fix these inadequacies, or at least try to understand, work around and accept them. The show stands out to me for being so sensitive and kind-hearted about this, even towards Mika.
@perseii

Thank you for your response, you reminded me of things in the show I had forgotten, and I mostly agree with what you said.

“Then why doesn't she change herself?" You can't tell selfish people to stop being so selfish. Or emotional people to stop being so emotional. Sure, they can outwardly act like they've changed, but it's a slow process to actually change.”

I understand that the show is not about “changing one’s self” or “try to be like the MFC”. I was more speaking realistically, even if people are “wired” a certain way, they can work to change themselves as improvement to their character.

I also think that good parents, siblings, friends can tell a person the truth about themselves, such as when they are being selfish (etc), as well as explaining how to act instead.

This is part of love and learning to communicate with others. I have seen this done with good results in my own life experiences, so I do think it is possible learn and change as improvement to a persons character.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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Additionally, I think more than anything else, like some other works of Misaki Takamatsu, Skip and Loafer is a work that uses characters to describe and examine cultural and societal conventions (for example, why Mika feels she has to engage with certain interests to become a person worthy of attention, or in the manga Vol 7, why Yuzu has difficulty with making friends) and how people who are at different stages of life interact and are influenced and shaped by societal forces.

As mentioned, one of the things that makes Mika realistic is her self-acknowledgement of her negative traits, and her belief that being self aware in that way may be even worse, since fiction doesn't often have time or space to show you this much of someone's inner thoughts.

But like everyone else in the main cast, it's understandable that there are personal issues they have trouble getting over because the manga gives us a brief 3-year snapshot of their lives as high schoolers. Just as it's realistic that a person with Mika's personality quirks could exist, it's also very fathomable that such a person may not be able to grow past those just in high school. Maybe they could, but that's just where they are in life, or as the line goes several times in this series, "I can't do my best any more than this". And in the anime and manga, you see the external influences of other people that are the starting point for those kinds of changes.
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The manga is much longer than the show. Development happens with the characters you don't understand the love for.

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