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Apr 3, 1:46 AM
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enishi was right, even ignoring the fact that kenshin dident intended to kill his sister, he was definietly the cause of it. even ignoring his sister kenshin still killed her fiance and a whole lot of other people as well.

the irony about kenshin is that he love to be that tortured soul who take responsability for his past and at the same time want to be left alone and still be free and still be alive when in reality people like him end up either in a jail cell or dead. enishi want to kill him as revenge, seem reasnoable to me.

kenshin love the idea of not facing consequences for his past because he fought for the winning side. (imperialists). but obviously kenshin still want to both live & be free. what means that kenshin dosent really take responsability for his past. and enishi just see that and justice to be served from his viewpoint.



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Videogamecoper said:
enishi was right, even ignoring the fact that kenshin dident intended to kill his sister, he was definietly the cause of it.


Well, yeah... That's literally what Kenshin himself said.

Enishi was in his right to claim his vengeance, but he does so in the memory of someone who did not even wished to be avenged, and onto people who had nothing to do with it... He's not wrong, but is not right either.

Videogamecoper said:
even ignoring his sister kenshin still killed her fiance and a whole lot of other people as well.


That's what a war is.

Videogamecoper said:
the irony about kenshin is that he love to be that tortured soul who take responsability for his past and at the same time want to be left alone and still be free and still be alive when in reality people like him end up either in a jail cell or dead.


That was the point of the Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki's scene in the Kyoto Arc, tho.

He know he'll die one day, sad and alone, and is kinda just waiting for that time to come, while being the rectifier of wrongdoings to not let some random members of the population start a war again, rendering all he and the imperialist did, for naught. And that's here that Kaoru and co. comes into play, making him realize that... in the end, he's human too.

Him dying alone in a remote village won't help anyone, be it the population trying to live correctly in a peaceful era, the government trying to maintain that "peaceful" era, the wrongdoers embedded in their own ideology, or even himself, trying to redeem, atleast a little bit, what he did... While that can be said to be hypocritical, he living a decent life and helping those he can, when he can, at his modest place of commoner, is a way better mean to take responsability for what he did than simply feeling sorry for oneself, especially as all of his victims of war were fighting for the same ideology of peaceful lives as him, but through different means.

That's a rather optimistic conclusion for Kenshin, which is usually the case with stories aimed at young adults. If you want a more realistical ending for his life, you should take a look at the Seisou-hen OVAs, albeit they are majoritarily made out of out-of-characters moments.

Overall, nothing here really is an unpopular opinion and/or hot takes. All of that already was discussed a lot in multiple forums, from the run of the Kyoto Arc, to nowadays.
"Genius lives only one storey above madness."
– Arthur Schopenhauer.

"Stupidity is a talent for misconception."
– Edgar Allan Poe.

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Apr 3, 3:44 AM
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Well, I'd say Enishi's point of view is understandable. However, tomoe did not seek revenge ultimately, plus there were many people who fell victim of his rage.

As for kenshin, he took responsibility by not accepting any government positions, living in modest circumstances and submitting his life to the people. Later on, he came to the conclusion that he should value his life, because atoning for his sins in his life is far more valuable than in his death. Plus he realized that he's only human after all.

I found his journey extraordinary for the reason that he constantly questioned himself, even though he always remained loyal to the principles that he once killed for.

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