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Mar 19, 2024 4:40 AM
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The boy went from a shy and passive boy to someone who denies his own humanity and is obsessed with nature, putting animals and trees he has never seen before first and his family second,he causes concern to his own mother who is already tired from work and almost causes her death,fights his sister over a Grey Topic(when clearly he was created as a human and to have a human life),in the end he abandoned his own mother without a "thank you mom for all the effort so far" or "Sorry sister,i took It too far" instead he decided on "goodbye, I will live like an animal and abandon you in solitude".
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Mar 19, 2024 4:51 AM
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Although I do not really understand him, I see him as analogous to people who do find comfort in solitude and in nature, and overall people who live in a nonconformative and untraditional way. Ame and Yuki could be seen as two ends of a spectrum encompassing how different people in terms of their personality and nature. Yuki is more outgoing and friendly while Ame is more introspective and solitary.

Within the framework of neurodiversity, neither he or Yuki is wrong; they should be free to make decisions regarding their own future, and any mother worth her salt ought to accept if not want this for their children, and this is film is functionally more of Hana's journey as a single mother than it is about Ame or Yuki's character arcs. One went to Tokyo, the other went to live off the grid.

Now realistically, do I think Ame would be a bit perfunctory to say "fuck society" and go live in the woods at 14 or 16? Well yes, because anyone who thinks they can literally talk to animals like he does with his sensei are more or less delusional in no small part due to their age (Animals are animal, especially wild animals), but this is a fantasy world where children can transform into wolves and where animals like the fox are sentient and have human-like intelligence with an inhuman understanding of the natural world. The rules we have do not extend to this scenario.

I can understand the dislike though, because Ame is reminiscent of children the real world who are irritatingly cynical and pessimistic, but who largely have to accept that whatever life they lead, that unless they can live a life off the grid, it would be in their best interest to grow up and live in a society and get along with people. I don't think the author intended this.
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Mar 19, 2024 4:57 AM
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luksthefool said:
The boy went from a shy and passive boy to someone who denies his own humanity and is obsessed with nature, putting animals and trees he has never seen before first and his family second,he causes concern to his own mother who is already tired from work and almost causes her death,fights his sister over a Grey Topic(when clearly he was created as a human and to have a human life),in the end he abandoned his own mother without a "thank you mom for all the effort so far" or "Sorry sister,i took It too far" instead he decided on "goodbye, I will live like an animal and abandon you in solitude".
shitty son, shitty brother

I thought i was the only one thank god someone thought the same 😭. Like I understand why many people defend his choice but he could’ve at least said goodbye, I felt so bad for his family
Mar 19, 2024 5:10 AM
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luksthefool said:
The boy went from a shy and passive boy to someone who denies his own humanity and is obsessed with nature, putting animals and trees he has never seen before first and his family second,he causes concern to his own mother who is already tired from work and almost causes her death,fights his sister over a Grey Topic(when clearly he was created as a human and to have a human life),in the end he abandoned his own mother without a "thank you mom for all the effort so far" or "Sorry sister,i took It too far" instead he decided on "goodbye, I will live like an animal and abandon you in solitude".
shitty son, shitty brother

I thought i was the only one thank god someone thought the same 😭. Like I understand why many people defend his choice but he could’ve at least said goodbye, I felt so bad for his family
@licxtt A goodbye and thanks for everything is the MINIMUM, the right thing would be for him to stay by his mother's side who dedicated ten years of her life to them, and I don't say that based only on the fact that everything the mother did after their birth was thinking about How that would be good for them but also in no way should animals and trees be worth more than his mother and family
Mar 19, 2024 5:20 AM
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Although I do not really understand him, I see him as analogous to people who do find comfort in solitude and in nature, and overall people who live in a nonconformative and untraditional way. Ame and Yuki could be seen as two ends of a spectrum encompassing how different people in terms of their personality and nature. Yuki is more outgoing and friendly while Ame is more introspective and solitary.

Within the framework of neurodiversity, neither he or Yuki is wrong; they should be free to make decisions regarding their own future, and any mother worth her salt ought to accept if not want this for their children, and this is film is functionally more of Hana's journey as a single mother than it is about Ame or Yuki's character arcs. One went to Tokyo, the other went to live off the grid.

Now realistically, do I think Ame would be a bit perfunctory to say "fuck society" and go live in the woods at 14 or 16? Well yes, because anyone who thinks they can literally talk to animals like he does with his sensei are more or less delusional in no small part due to their age (Animals are animal, especially wild animals), but this is a fantasy world where children can transform into wolves and where animals like the fox are sentient and have human-like intelligence with an inhuman understanding of the natural world. The rules we have do not extend to this scenario.

I can understand the dislike though, because Ame is reminiscent of children the real world who are irritatingly cynical and pessimistic, but who largely have to accept that whatever life they lead, that unless they can live a life off the grid, it would be in their best interest to grow up and live in a society and get along with people. I don't think the author intended this.
@PeripheralVision "Within the framework of neurodiversity"
>I don't think using excuses related to psychological individuality is valid, you're still ungrateful even If you were born a little different
"neither he or Yuki is wrong"
>He is.

"they should be free to make decisions regarding their own future"
>Mothers who oppose children having bad influences or drug use are actually right, that's what the fox was.
" and any mother worth her salt ought to accept if not want this for their children"
>I disagree
"One went to Tokyo, the other went to live off the grid."
one decided to live like an animal for the sake of animals and trees he never saw without thanking his mother or apologizing to his sister, the other went in search of being successful as a member of society and still remembering the importance of her mother*
Mar 19, 2024 5:29 AM
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@licxtt A goodbye and thanks for everything is the MINIMUM, the right thing would be for him to stay by his mother's side who dedicated ten years of her life to them, and I don't say that based only on the fact that everything the mother did after their birth was thinking about How that would be good for them but also in no way should animals and trees be worth more than his mother and family
@luksthefool Yeah I totally agree with that
Mar 19, 2024 5:55 AM
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@PeripheralVision "Within the framework of neurodiversity"
>I don't think using excuses related to psychological individuality is valid, you're still ungrateful even If you were born a little different
"neither he or Yuki is wrong"
>He is.

"they should be free to make decisions regarding their own future"
>Mothers who oppose children having bad influences or drug use are actually right, that's what the fox was.
" and any mother worth her salt ought to accept if not want this for their children"
>I disagree
"One went to Tokyo, the other went to live off the grid."
one decided to live like an animal for the sake of animals and trees he never saw without thanking his mother or apologizing to his sister, the other went in search of being successful as a member of society and still remembering the importance of her mother*
@luksthefool

It has been quite some time since I watched the film, though I do agree with the idea that "A goodbye and thanks for everything is the MINIMUM", and I do agree he should have made up with his sister. Rather, such should have been included in the film. At the same time, you are disapproving of Ame's rights to his own lifestyle by suggesting that he abandoned his mother, which really does make any sense considering that Yuki moved even farther away than Ame ever did, and it is outright stated he still communicates with his mother at the end of the film. Why aren't you extending this criticism

the right thing would be for him to stay by his mother's side who dedicated ten years of her life to them


To Yuki? As I see it, he did not "choose" the animals and the trees over his mother anymore than Yuki chose Tokyo over her. Quite frankly, mothers and fathers should want children to live their own lives outside of their parents. Hana is ultimately the main character, and it is to be seen that she has raised both of her children successfully. Living your own life will almost always require some degree of separation from our parents. This is perfectly normal, regardless of whatever we choose to do.

This is a point I want to address though.

one decided to live like an animal for the sake of animals and trees he never saw without thanking his mother or apologizing to his sister, the other went in search of being successful as a member of society and still remembering the importance of her mother


Maybe it is just me, but I don't think Ame's life path is any less "legitimate" than Yuki's precisely because of the supernatural and fantasy elements of the story. He literally is able to become a wolf. He is (literally) an animal if he so chooses to. Foxes and forests are apparently sentient in this world. The point of him and Yuki fighting and then going their separate ways is a recognition that neither was wrong for what they wanted in life or identified as.

Which brings me to the next point. You can recognize a story's intended message as being good while saying how it has written and communicate that message as being flawed. As I mentioned before, Hana is the main character to a far greater extent than Yuki or Ame. This is not so much a coming of age story so much as it is a story of parenting from the perspective of the parent. Because of this, less emphasis is placed on the realistic practicalities of either Ame or Yuki's decision, and the story becomes a "what does being a good parent look like in terms of their children's lives".

Not everyone is made for a life in the city, and I recognize some people are just that level of asocial. Is Ame kind of an ass for how he does things at the end? I can agree with that, but is he selfish to want to pursue his own life anymore than Yuki's? No, I don't think the film intended that, and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous criticism. The story obviously portrays Hana as having been fulfilled and succeeded at the onerous task laid before her at the start of the film.

Do you think this film intended to portray Hana as a failure of a mother? I understand being annoyed with Ame, but at the same time, this is a criticism of how the film delivers it message more than the message itself.
PeripheralVisionMar 19, 2024 5:59 AM
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Mar 19, 2024 12:37 PM
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dude is literally half wolf. why is it weird for him to take an interest in that part of his nature? He's a counterpoint to his sister, who became more interested in her human side. there's nothing weird about either of them. also, the idea that trees and rocks are just for animals shows how humans don't see themselves as parts of nature. we are animals. plants and rocks are part of us.
Mar 19, 2024 12:41 PM
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Such a compelling argument. Well, at least he didn't kill his sister of starvation like Seita.
Mar 19, 2024 4:54 PM
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Agree, that is what ruining it for me.
Its good until he become emo hippies.
Mar 20, 2024 1:37 PM
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No way! The Wolfism is clearly 100% objectively (and scientifically) a metaphor for being gay . bro is going out into the woods to kiss boys. Act 1 shows us this society will never accept a filthy boykisser. I recommend the secret sequel to this movie it's called "Pixar's Turning Red by Pixar" where Yuki is now the mom and has the rug pulled out from under her by her daughter's decision to be homosexual in public. In Pixar's Turning Red by Pixar, Yuki has to overcome her own internalized shame and repression in order to recognize that 2000s Toronto is I guess more progressive and accepting of queer identity than the 2010s Japan she grew up in.

These two movies give us a peek into an ongoing narrative of overcoming. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!
Apr 25, 2024 9:26 AM
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He choose to be a wolf and that how wolf act lmao
May 16, 2024 1:35 AM

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Oh no, someone decided to go their own way instead of staying with their family out of obligation, what a truly terrible being.

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