So the final fight was pointless?

It wasn't Erin at the end. He was the one who allowed the other Scout members to retain their Titan powers. The reason for all of the previous Titans fighting them was because of the Founder Ymir rebelling against them. She was vengeful against humanity for taking the king away from her and all the suffering she endured.


The whole reason was Ymir was put into a blind rage after Erin sets her free from the subjugation of the royal bloodline. It's shown in Erin's conversation with Armin post fight that Erin knew for a long time that everything was predetermined and no matter what he tried, there was no way for a future for humanity beyond the ending we got. The only way to stop the Rumbling is for Mikasa to kill Erin so she can meet with Ymir in the end. Mikasa's love for Erin is a direct parallel with Ymir's love for King Fritz and she was the only one who could end Ymir's rage and have her listen to reason.

Ok so 1st of all it was the worm or entity whatever u wanna call, it transformed everyone into a Titan not Eren.

Yes he can destroy them but it was actually Ymir who was controlling the beast Titan and also Eren was Trying to control Beast titan cause he didnt want him to hurt or kill his friends thats why Beast Titan couldn't destroyed their plane completely.

Ymir is strong but now that stong cause didn't have the abilities of Attack Titan, so didn't know the future, which is why Eren gave the freewill to his Friends to transform into titans and stop her and him.
Also the Future is already Fixed and cannot be changed and is predetermined.

This person also said similar @KHRocker but with extra details which are true

It was Eren who was trying to hold back Ymir's power thats why other overpowered her.

Also it was Eren and Ymir combined who killed 80% of the population not the other charcters. Yes the other characters killed many people but those were not included in them. the 80% population was counted after the Collasal Titans crossed the Ocean and Stepped on marle and other countries.

@TrickyHunter0506
Did the worm of entity or whatever appeared itself? Or by eren or ymir? I can say that. The writer did that to fake others death and make people cry about it for just a moment so that fans can feel depressed and they'll turn back to normal


So eren still tried to stop what ymir was doing? So him trying to free ymir was just bs? Eren had more control to founding titan than the founder herself? Ymir control beast titan but eren Also tried to control beast titan. Even the writer wont be coping that hard 😂😂


You didnt answer how his friends were strong enough to stop ymir the founder.. like W tf eren let his friends become titan shifters and they won against 100s of those. Pfft


I'm asking that armin and co could defeat ymir who is strong enough to destroy the world so that makes armin and co stronger than the rest of the world combined.

The worm or entity had already existed dont where its origin or where it came from, but when Ymir went into the Founder Tree and fell into the depths thats where the worm or the entity attached to her spine and made her the 1st Ever Titan of that time.

He needed her powers as a Founder titan that's why he convinced her to give her power to him and help him tak revenge on other humans. It was not bs

I did answer you doubts and question. u must have skipped it or didn't understood it. Here look again and this time read and understand it


They are strong bcoz Eren was holding back most of the Ancient titans during their combat againt Ymir. Even the dialogues also have the same "Ymir is trying to stop Us" it not Eren. And what is co??

@TrickyHunter0506 dude dont change the topic. How tf did that worm of entity appear over there? Lets Just say its in founding titan body then why did eren or Ymir allow it to be spread? And how did his friends turn back to humans after eren was killed since titan powers weren't eradicated which proves in the ending that it will begin again.


You forgot that eren intended to free Ymir by having her to choose what to do but he tried to stop Ymir from killing his friends. Thats not freeing.


Are you an idiot or pretending to be one? Ymir is the founder who still has control over everything. His friends be able to transform dosent make them stronger than Ymir herself. Also eren cant try to control future just by having attack titan Because attack titan is Ymir S will for freedom in which he himself told that Ymir led him to be there.


Im asking how did eren try to stop her? You forgot the dialogue that "eren is just moving forward".so it isnt stated that eren was trying to stop Ymir. Second how did eren even have ability to stop Ymir when he has Ymir S ability in which Ymir has control over. That attack titan having more power than Ymir is such a bs that dosent even make sense.


Also her goal was to see through what mikasa will do so she dont have any intentions to kill them which proves the final fight was only for viewers to be excited but pointless. Its like magic show where they do a trick to make viewers thrilled but it dosent have any meaning

You're missing the whole point. It's not like Ymir was an omnipotent all knowing all seeing evil entity that could snap her fingers and kill them all at her own whims. She was the Founder and had control over the powers of the Titans and was a slave. She was free'd by Erin and she was angry. She was in a BLIND rage. There was no tactics, simply a genocide. She sought to lay waste to humanity and Erin chose for it to happen because in the future he saw, only Ymir facing Mikasa would end the Rumbling.

To be technical with you, the scouts didn't win that fight at the end. If Armin for example was the one to kill Erin, Ymir would've remained angry. Connie and them would've remained titans and the colossal titans would of continued to rampage.

It was only by allowing Mikasa to deal the finishing blow and confronting Ymir that Ymir CHOSE to rid the world of titans and let everyone be free.

I wouldn’t spend too much brain power trying to rationalize this garbage. The only people that justify the inconsistencies are mindless AOT drones.

@KHRocker i already made this points on my posts above. He has already made up his mind to not listen to others. I even gave proofs of it but still won't try to understand 🤷🏻‍♂️. He not even replied me after I gave him proofs. This Forum is a waste of time. Just leave it my friend

@TrickyHunter0506 I stopped replying you Because I feel like I'm talking to a wall so pointless thats why I gave up

Eren didn't summon the Ancient Titans. Ymir did.

Eren didn't transform Connie and Jean into Mindless Titans. The Hallucegenia did.

How would killing Zeke kill him?

Also Eren couldn't just die by anyone's hands. He had to die by Mikasa's hand. To show Ymir that he can leave her selfish love for King Fritz.
That's why he couldn't just let himself die. He had to put Mikasa in a situation where she is forced to kill him.

Beast Titan didn't hit them because they were too small of a target individually.
It's like if there's a bunch of balloons in a room and you throw rocks at them. You'll hit most of them.
Now try to hit flies in that same room with rocks and you'll miss most of them because they are too small.
On top of that the Scouts had 3D gear and 3D Maneuverabilty. Something the Aircrafts didn't.

The Final fight isn't pointless just because people didn't die. What kind of logic is that?

Ymir is powerful enough to kill them. But we have no evidence to believe that Ymir was actively trying to kill them.
For all we know Ymir also saw multiple futures like Eren and then left the rest up to the Alliance to see which future actually comes to fruition. (Or a more likely scenario is that Ymir already knew none of them will die and was just trying to force their hand so they are forced to kill Eren).

Except Armin and Co weren't stronger than Ymir.
The Founding Titan was required for the Rumbling. The Rumbling that never directly targeted Paradis or Armin and Co.

Again. Armin and Co weren't stronger than Ymir. They were all simply a part of Eren/Ymir's plan to set Ymir free.

So in Conclusion. No. The final fight wasn't pointless.
It served the purpose of killing Eren, making Armin and co into heries, freeing Ymir and ending the Titan curse.

Eren didn't summon the Ancient Titans. Ymir did.

Eren didn't transform Connie and Jean into Mindless Titans. The Hallucegenia did.

How would killing Zeke kill him?

Also Eren couldn't just die by anyone's hands. He had to die by Mikasa's hand. To show Ymir that he can leave her selfish love for King Fritz.
That's why he couldn't just let himself die. He had to put Mikasa in a situation where she is forced to kill him.

Beast Titan didn't hit them because they were too small of a target individually.
It's like if there's a bunch of balloons in a room and you throw rocks at them. You'll hit most of them.
Now try to hit flies in that same room with rocks and you'll miss most of them because they are too small.
On top of that the Scouts had 3D gear and 3D Maneuverabilty. Something the Aircrafts didn't.

The Final fight isn't pointless just because people didn't die. What kind of logic is that?

Ymir is powerful enough to kill them. But we have no evidence to believe that Ymir was actively trying to kill them.
For all we know Ymir also saw multiple futures like Eren and then left the rest up to the Alliance to see which future actually comes to fruition. (Or a more likely scenario is that Ymir already knew none of them will die and was just trying to force their hand so they are forced to kill Eren).

Except Armin and Co weren't stronger than Ymir.
The Founding Titan was required for the Rumbling. The Rumbling that never directly targeted Paradis or Armin and Co.

Again. Armin and Co weren't stronger than Ymir. They were all simply a part of Eren/Ymir's plan to set Ymir free.

So in Conclusion. No. The final fight wasn't pointless.
It served the purpose of killing Eren, making Armin and co into heries, freeing Ymir and ending the Titan curse.

@Fuhrer_Wrath if u read my above posts i said the same, i even gave proof from the manga chapters, not just me but other people like me and you said the same things. Still this idiot doesn't believe. He already made up his mind for not listening to other. The only pointless thing is this Forum created by that Idiot. So i suggest you to ignore whatever he says, he doesn't even have knowledge about AOT in the 1st place, and am pretty sure he is just a kid who jus watched AOT cause of the Hype or someone told him to watch.

@TrickyHunter0506 use your brain atleast for once in your lifetime for goddam sake. You were saying ymir tried to control titans but eren also tried to control them which was the reason alliance survived. Read your older comments it clearly says that you said ymir tried to kill them but it didnt happen Because of eren. Meanwhile that guy clearly said ymir didnt try to kill them. Think before writing a comment you dimwit instead of assuming everything on your own. "He dosent even have a knowledge about aot" saying as if you know about me or what? Also no I dont hate the anime. Im just disappointed with the ending. Theres no need for you to sell your heart and soul to defend the ending lol

I never disagree.
Re-read what he said, he said we have no evidence to believe that Ymir was actively trying to kill them. There were others things aswell which were same as me
I am not assuming on my own. I even gave you the chapters numbers aswell, as you won't believe me.
I never said u hated the anime.
if u r disappointed that's all on you, and if u don't want other people's POV then don't create forum's like these.
Am only saying things which are shown in the manga. Again I am not saying things out of thin air. Whatever I said is shows and given in the manga which I also gave you the chapters numbers.