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Jan 19, 2024 11:29 PM
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This is a random topic that I'm sure has been discussed before, but I keep hearing people refer to Uruesi Yatsura as one of the ORIGINAL harem anime/manga.
I personally don't see it because none of the female cast except for Lum actually like Ataru. Isn't the point of a Harem meant to be more multiple girls fawning over one guy like DxD or Date a Live etc?

Would like to hear if others feel the same way or someone could explain why it actually is the OG harem.
Jan 19, 2024 11:46 PM
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It's more like a progenitor of the harem shows. Most harem shows in the past definitely take inspiration from Ataru's dream for having a harem.
                                                                   




Jan 19, 2024 11:51 PM
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I think the progression from Urusei Yatsura to Aa Megami sama to Tenchi Muyo to modern harem is clear so it makes sense to consider it the progenitor of harem.
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Jan 20, 2024 8:32 AM
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I had no idea it was considered a harem. The only thing I can think of that even comes close to making it a harem is the one movie where Lum and Ataru see their red strings of fate and Ataru has one string on each finger, implying he’s destined to have multiple partners. Other than that I don’t recall or haven’t seen any episodes showing multiple women at once genuinely loving him. If I’m not mistaken, Lum is considered the original waifu and the start of that whole waifu thing but I may be wrong. Nothing to do with harems.
Jan 20, 2024 8:32 AM
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Sorry, my app glitched and posted the comment twice. My bad!
Jan 20, 2024 10:38 AM
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probably the fact ataru keps mentioning harem all the time plus you could tell Harem anime/Manga got inspirado by it. Though I'd have to say Ranma is more closet to be a harem anime.
Jan 20, 2024 10:40 AM
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There's also Shinobu and there was the crow lady.
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Jan 20, 2024 6:51 PM
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I just started reading the manga, and earlier on there's a suggestion that in the future Ataru and Shinobu end up together.

But then again, lots of UY's plots are left unresolved, so it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't what actually ends up happening.
Jan 20, 2024 7:41 PM
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Ataru wanted it too but Lum is not willing to and the situation is shocking.
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Jan 22, 2024 2:10 AM
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I think Urusei Yatsura is more "anti-harem" than "harem".
Jan 23, 2024 11:20 PM

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Like many have already said, it’s not a harem. It’s actually anti-harem or a parody of a harem. But most people who label Urusei Yatsura as a harem never watched the series. They're also the same ones who say Lum is a tsundere or the original anime has too much filler.
Jan 24, 2024 10:34 AM

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Like many have already said, it’s not a harem. It’s actually anti-harem or a parody of a harem. But most people who label Urusei Yatsura as a harem never watched the series. They're also the same ones who say Lum is a tsundere or the original anime has too much filler.
@0451 You're missing the point. This show is considered the prototype of the harem because the original manga and anime were the first to introduce a bunch of love interests around everydude as the protagonist and build a romantic comedy around it.
Jan 24, 2024 10:38 AM

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Like many have already said, it’s not a harem. It’s actually anti-harem or a parody of a harem. But most people who label Urusei Yatsura as a harem never watched the series. They're also the same ones who say Lum is a tsundere or the original anime has too much filler.
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So you don't think that someone who has read the manga might dislike the way the anime changes the story?
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Jan 24, 2024 10:47 AM

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@0451 You're missing the point. This show is considered the prototype of the harem because the original manga and anime were the first to introduce a bunch of love interests around everydude as the protagonist and build a romantic comedy around it.

That still doesn’t make it a harem. At least not in the sense we see the harem genre nowadays which is what OP was talking about.
Jan 24, 2024 10:48 AM

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So you don't think that someone who has read the manga might dislike the way the anime changes the story?

What do you mean by that?
Jan 24, 2024 10:50 AM

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@0451 You're missing the point. This show is considered the prototype of the harem because the original manga and anime were the first to introduce a bunch of love interests around everydude as the protagonist and build a romantic comedy around it.

That still doesn’t make it a harem. At least not in the sense we see the harem genre nowadays which is what OP was talking about.
@0451 A prototype of a harem and a pure harem, especially in the modern sense of the word, are different concepts, aren’t they? For example, Cream Lemon is the father of all hentai anime, but by modern standards it's not even borderline ecchi.
Jan 24, 2024 10:57 AM

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@0451 A prototype of a harem and a pure harem, especially in the modern sense of the word, are different concepts, aren’t they? For example, Cream Lemon is the father of all hentai anime, but by modern standards it's not even borderline ecchi.

I guess so. But it lacks what it takes to be classified as a "true" harem. In that sense, Ranma 1/2 is much more suitable to be called the "OG harem" because it actually has all the elements of a harem series, even if that probably wasn’t what the author had in mind.
Jan 24, 2024 10:58 AM

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So you don't think that someone who has read the manga might dislike the way the anime changes the story?

What do you mean by that?
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The old Urusei Yatsura anime takes a lot of liberties with the manga. I hope we can agree on this? Because they are so different, there is no guarantee that someone who likes one will like the other. I believe someone who prefers the manga would say the anime has too much filler. But you said the only people who complain about the anime filler are those who haven't watched it. You even say it's as common as calling Lum a tsundere. Yet I actually do not see others complaining about the filler.
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Jan 24, 2024 11:04 AM

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@0451 A prototype of a harem and a pure harem, especially in the modern sense of the word, are different concepts, aren’t they? For example, Cream Lemon is the father of all hentai anime, but by modern standards it's not even borderline ecchi.

I guess so. But it lacks what it takes to be classified as a "true" harem. In that sense, Ranma 1/2 is much more suitable to be called the "OG harem" because it actually has all the elements of a harem series, even if that probably wasn’t what the author had in mind.
@0451 None of these shows are harems in the pure, modern sense of the word, since they didn't exist at the time. Personally, I would rather call Ranma a prototype of battle shonens and gender bender comedies. Obviously we don't have any patent on this, but the first harem show in the modern sense of the word is Love Hina, which also featured the first mindedly violent tsundere and fully embraced the "accidental pervert" comedy. All romance shows up to this point either didn't have the full set of necessary tropes, or only inspired the genre without being it.
Jan 24, 2024 11:46 AM

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The old Urusei Yatsura anime takes a lot of liberties with the manga. I hope we can agree on this? Because they are so different, there is no guarantee that someone who likes one will like the other. I believe someone who prefers the manga would say the anime has too much filler. But you said the only people who complain about the anime filler are those who haven't watched it. You even say it's as common as calling Lum a tsundere. Yet I actually do not see others complaining about the filler.
@Lucifrost When I said "people who label Urusei Yatsura as a harem never watched the series" I meant people who are not familiar with Urusei Yatsura in general.

"You even say it's as common as calling Lum a tsundere."
I didn't say that.

"Yet I actually do not see others complaining about the filler."
When the Urusei Yatsura Remake was announced plenty of people were saying that this adaptation wasn't going to have any filler because it had less episodes and they were basically saying this as if it was a good thing. These people have the impression that the original series has tons of filler episodes just because it's a long series. Only 18 episodes out of 195 were truly anime original or "filler" episodes. As in they weren't adaptations of manga chapters.

"The old Urusei Yatsura anime takes a lot of liberties with the manga."
Yeah, it did sometimes. But most of the episodes were still based on manga chapters and the original content they made was out of necessity to stretch the runtime. Most of the time the anime's original content was good. And since Urusei Yatsura is an episodic series anyway, I think of those "filler" content as actual content and not something you should skip just because they're labeled filler.

I'm sorry but what does this have anything to do with the original topic? I was just saying how there are a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptions about this series spread by people who didn't watch/read the series because they heard it somewhere else. Like Wikipedia saying Lum is a tsundere. Sorry if my original comment wasn't clear.
Jan 24, 2024 11:52 AM

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@0451 None of these shows are harems in the pure, modern sense of the word, since they didn't exist at the time. Personally, I would rather call Ranma a prototype of battle shonens and gender bender comedies. Obviously we don't have any patent on this, but the first harem show in the modern sense of the word is Love Hina, which also featured the first mindedly violent tsundere and fully embraced the "accidental pervert" comedy. All romance shows up to this point either didn't have the full set of necessary tropes, or only inspired the genre without being it.
@RobertBobert Well, then Love Hina would be the "OG harem". Not Urusei Yatsura or Ranma 1/2. They may have elements of the harem genre, one more than the other, but it wouldn't make them a harem series. They might inspire certain aspects of the harem genre but not sure if I'd call either of them "OG harem series".
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@RobertBobert Well, then Love Hina would be the "OG harem". Not Urusei Yatsura or Ranma 1/2. They may have elements of the harem genre, one more than the other, but it wouldn't make them a harem series. They might inspire certain aspects of the harem genre but not sure if I'd call either of them "OG harem series".
@0451 I literally wrote to you about the difference between a genre inspirer and a genre representative, but for some reason you keep confusing the two.
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@0451 I literally wrote to you about the difference between a genre inspirer and a genre representative, but for some reason you keep confusing the two.

And I don't see how that has anything to do with what OP and I were talking about.
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@0451 I literally wrote to you about the difference between a genre inspirer and a genre representative, but for some reason you keep confusing the two.

And I don't see how that has anything to do with what OP and I were talking about.
@0451 Because the OP doesn't get it either, taking a claim about the show's influence on the genre as a claim that it exemplifies it in a fully modern sense.
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@Lucifrost When I said "people who label Urusei Yatsura as a harem never watched the series" I meant people who are not familiar with Urusei Yatsura in general.

"You even say it's as common as calling Lum a tsundere."
I didn't say that.

"Yet I actually do not see others complaining about the filler."
When the Urusei Yatsura Remake was announced plenty of people were saying that this adaptation wasn't going to have any filler because it had less episodes and they were basically saying this as if it was a good thing. These people have the impression that the original series has tons of filler episodes just because it's a long series. Only 18 episodes out of 195 were truly anime original or "filler" episodes. As in they weren't adaptations of manga chapters.

"The old Urusei Yatsura anime takes a lot of liberties with the manga."
Yeah, it did sometimes. But most of the episodes were still based on manga chapters and the original content they made was out of necessity to stretch the runtime. Most of the time the anime's original content was good. And since Urusei Yatsura is an episodic series anyway, I think of those "filler" content as actual content and not something you should skip just because they're labeled filler.

I'm sorry but what does this have anything to do with the original topic? I was just saying how there are a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptions about this series spread by people who didn't watch/read the series because they heard it somewhere else. Like Wikipedia saying Lum is a tsundere. Sorry if my original comment wasn't clear.
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I'm sorry but what does this have anything to do with the original topic? I was just saying how there are a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptions about this series spread by people who didn't watch/read the series because they heard it somewhere else. Like Wikipedia saying Lum is a tsundere. Sorry if my original comment wasn't clear.

I think it's rude of you to conclude that someone hasn't watched the series simply because he disagrees with your interpretation.
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Jan 24, 2024 8:19 PM

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Hey everyone, sorry I haven't been active. I appreciate all the comments helping me understand the harem genre and the history and impact UY had on anime as a whole.

After reading everyone's comments I think my stance is that it COULD be considered the OG harem in some ways but I think its mainly a precursor to other shows that really leaned heavily on harem as a theme.
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It's not really a harem (only 1 girl truly loves Ataru), but rather a absurdist romantic comedy series in which many tropes here originated, and those were reused to make proper harems. The most obvious being the "Magical Girlfriend" (Lum similarity with the Tenchi Muyo crew of aliens girls, Belldandy and other goddesses of Ah, Megami Sama! and Ai from Video Girl Ai are the most obvious ones).

Neither is Lum "the first tsundere", she just coded the "violent girlfriend of everydude" proto-trope, which Love Hina (another early popular harem) also used, and popularized further.



But, being older than all the "Proper Harems" itself, UY, could be historically referenced as the "Prototype of all Harem". Without it, they either would not exist, or be VERY different.



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I'm sorry but what does this have anything to do with the original topic? I was just saying how there are a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptions about this series spread by people who didn't watch/read the series because they heard it somewhere else. Like Wikipedia saying Lum is a tsundere. Sorry if my original comment wasn't clear.

I think it's rude of you to conclude that someone hasn't watched the series simply because he disagrees with your interpretation.
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I think it's rude of you to conclude that someone hasn't watched the series simply because he disagrees with your interpretation.

Except it's not just "my interpretation". It's like calling Attack on Titan a romance series. You can assume the person making the claim never watched/read the series and have no idea about what they're talking about. You can disagree all you want but it won't make you correct. Urusei Yatsura is not a harem series. There are lots of misconceptions about the series. Mainly because it's quite old and most people haven't even seen it. Like YouTubers mentioning it as a footnote without doing much research. And that's how these misconceptions spread.
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It's always funny to see this series called a Harem Anime and Lum being labelled a Tsundere both claims are false. Lum is totally into Ataru (very un-Tsundere behaviour) and most of her friends find him lecherous, with only a few oddball exceptions (far away from any kind of Ataru-fixated 'harem' that lives for him.)
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Like many have already said, it’s not a harem. It’s actually anti-harem or a parody of a harem. But most people who label Urusei Yatsura as a harem never watched the series. They're also the same ones who say Lum is a tsundere or the original anime has too much filler.
@0451 Lots of weird flexes in the replies trying to label UY a Harem series or 'Harem Adjacent' when it's cast is the farthest thing from any sort of harem, glad to see you know that such a claim is as erroneous as claiming Lum is a Tsundere. A lot of these fans need to actually watch some classic UY to see neither of these tropes are present in force, like you mentioned Ramna 1/2 had far more of these 'Harem' tropes in place even before the genre became a thing.
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@0451 Lots of weird flexes in the replies trying to label UY a Harem series or 'Harem Adjacent' when it's cast is the farthest thing from any sort of harem, glad to see you know that such a claim is as erroneous as claiming Lum is a Tsundere. A lot of these fans need to actually watch some classic UY to see neither of these tropes are present in force, like you mentioned Ramna 1/2 had far more of these 'Harem' tropes in place even before the genre became a thing.
@MKSTEEL I am glad to see that someone else gets the point.
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@MKSTEEL I am glad to see that someone else gets the point.
@0451 Yeah it's bizarre the way she is regarded as a Tsundere by some anime fans, she's completely devoted to Ataru, even if he infuriates her sometimes. None of the typical 'cold shoulder' behaviours that Tsunderes display is present, if anything could be said about Lum it's that she's maybe a bit clingy and jealous.
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While as I don't deny the possibility that manga artist and anime writers where inspired by the most popular 80s romcom to make their own romcom that particularly was about a person who had more than one love interest constantly through the series, I think the idea of crediting Urusei Yatsura as the first harem is absurd. This also goes for anyone calling it a "proto-harem". The idea of 'proto' means that it takes one step towards it, UY turns 180 and runs away from it.
The series makes is clear that most of the female cast who Ataru ever approached are either annoyed with him or/and wants him dead. The lack of love for him are very explicit.
With only a handful of girls that shows up time to time, Lum is the only one who liked him throughout the length of the series. Shinobu and Kurama relationship with him both turned sour, with Shinobu becoming more like a friend and Kurama wants nothing to do with him.

I think the better, or at least, the easier option to argue as an origin point is Ranma, but that is up for debate. Ido welcome citations from the creators of the first harem series (80's-90s), if they ever bring up Urusei Yatsura story as an inspiration.
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While as I don't deny the possibility that manga artist and anime writers where inspired by the most popular 80s romcom to make their own romcom that particularly was about a person who had more than one love interest constantly through the series, I think the idea of crediting Urusei Yatsura as the first harem is absurd. This also goes for anyone calling it a "proto-harem". The idea of 'proto' means that it takes one step towards it, UY turns 180 and runs away from it.
The series makes is clear that most of the female cast who Ataru ever approached are either annoyed with him or/and wants him dead. The lack of love for him are very explicit.
With only a handful of girls that shows up time to time, Lum is the only one who liked him throughout the length of the series. Shinobu and Kurama relationship with him both turned sour, with Shinobu becoming more like a friend and Kurama wants nothing to do with him.

I think the better, or at least, the easier option to argue as an origin point is Ranma, but that is up for debate. Ido welcome citations from the creators of the first harem series (80's-90s), if they ever bring up Urusei Yatsura story as an inspiration.
@Cooltaff12 While I don't have any source for this, I heard the creator of Tenchi Muyo created Tenchi as a sort of "anti-Ataru". I didn't watch TM but from what I've heard about it, it seems to be the opposite of UY. So while there might be at least one harem mangaka who might've used Urusei Yatsura as some sort of inspiration, it seems they wanted to make the opposite of Urusei Yatsura instead of making something similar to it. It seems like they might've seen UY as an "anti-harem" and made a harem series because of it. Assuming what I heard was true and someone didn't just lie to me.
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@Cooltaff12 While I don't have any source for this, I heard the creator of Tenchi Muyo created Tenchi as a sort of "anti-Ataru". I didn't watch TM but from what I've heard about it, it seems to be the opposite of UY. So while there might be at least one harem mangaka who might've used Urusei Yatsura as some sort of inspiration, it seems they wanted to make the opposite of Urusei Yatsura instead of making something similar to it. It seems like they might've seen UY as an "anti-harem" and made a harem series because of it. Assuming what I heard was true and someone didn't just lie to me.
@0451 I can at least see that Tenchi isn't the same as Ataru from the episodes/OVAs of TM I've watched.

I believe that we are gonna need to have that interview archived and available for the public to see if we are gonna keep using it as a reference. Because power is knowledge!

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