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I agree with the statements about Gyokko being stronger. Not only he is higher in ranks for a reason, but his attacks were pretty creepy. Muichiro had to fight to death and back to defeat him. Sure, he fought alone but still Muichiro is a rare talent, a descendant of Yoriichi.

But Gyutaro had such a sad backstory that many people sympathize with him despite being a villain.

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togeswords said:
I agree with the statements about Gyokko being stronger. Not only he is higher in ranks for a reason, but his attacks were pretty creepy. Muichiro had to fight to death and back to defeat him. Sure, he fought alone but still Muichiro is a rare talent, a descendant of Yoriichi.

But Gyutaro had such a sad backstory that many people sympathize with him despite being a villain.

Isn’t Muichiro a descendent of kokushibo and not Yoriichi?

Aug 2, 2023 11:14 PM

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Mai_Sakurajima23 said:

togeswords said:
I agree with the statements about Gyokko being stronger. Not only he is higher in ranks for a reason, but his attacks were pretty creepy. Muichiro had to fight to death and back to defeat him. Sure, he fought alone but still Muichiro is a rare talent, a descendant of Yoriichi.

But Gyutaro had such a sad backstory that many people sympathize with him despite being a villain.

Isn’t Muichiro a descendent of kokushibo and not Yoriichi?

considering they are brothers, he is related to both of them? he is related to the tsugikuni line, not kukushibo´s wife´s bloodline.

adding: sorry, found more details that he is supposed to be Yoriichi´s great-newphew, which would make him (rough calculations, I am bad at those, apologies), Kukushibo´s great-grandson?

Aug 2, 2023 11:22 PM

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togeswords said:

Mai_Sakurajima23 said:

Isn’t Muichiro a descendent of kokushibo and not Yoriichi?

considering they are brothers, he is related to both of them? he is related to the tsugikuni line, not kukushibo´s wife´s bloodline.

adding: sorry, found more details that he is supposed to be Yoriichi´s great-newphew, which would make him (rough calculations, I am bad at those, apologies), Kukushibo´s great-grandson?

If kokushibo’s been alive for maybe around 400-500 or more years because he’s a demon I’m sure it’s save to say that there would be multiple greats in great grandchild

Aug 3, 2023 1:25 AM

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Gyutaro is uppermoon 6, Gyokko is uppermoon 5. Um 5> Um 6(they're ranked by power)
Easy af

Aug 3, 2023 1:52 AM

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I believe gyokko is stronger.

People don’t seem to realise that muichiro is far stronger than tengen and was marked.

We’re tengen wasn’t marked and is arguably one of the weakest hashira. So naturally he’s gonna struggle a ton. So essentially tengen made gyutaro look strong and muichiro made gyokko look weak to most people.

I firmly believe 2 things. If kotetsu never helped muichiro he would have died. And if he was never marked he would have died.

So I believe gyokko is stronger basically because of that. Not really a good reason. Or a reason at all tbh but it’s my opinion.

Tengen unmarked was still stronger than more than half of the hashira, now imagine if he was marked. Also are we gonna forget Gyutaro’s poison? Him being held back due to daki? Also Muichiro wasn’t marked before the battle between him and gyokko

Aug 3, 2023 5:00 AM

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Bro even my cat when he's hungry and demands tuna cans is stronger and scarier thank Gyokko, fr

Aug 3, 2023 6:55 AM

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base muichiro is stronger than base tengen so obviously it would make gyokko out be much weaker. On top of that muichiro was marked. Gyokko is way stronger than upper moon 6 bruh no questions.
The problem is that daki and um 6 are connected so it’s very hard if not impossible for 1 hashira to beat him. But in terms of physical strength and other things gyokko is superior. I believe if you were to put tengen and muichiro against um 6 and daki they would have a considerably easier time killing them than those 2 against gyokko (and honestly i’m not sure they would beat him if none of them got their mark during the fight).

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i think what people dont realise, is that a hashira with a mark is as strong as an uppermoon, up to upper moon 3, i think thats why no hashira had killed an upper moon in over 100 years. the fact gyutaro had to fight a marked tanjiro with sun breathing, tengen and had to worry about his sister constantly being beheaded i think thats more impressive then gyoko who got slaughtered in his strongest form with ease by marked muichiro, simply put, tengen marked tanjiro zenitsu and inosuke are stronger then marked mui on his own

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Gyokko has killed 15 hashira and Gyutaro plus Daki only killed 7, so I would say Gyokko is stronger

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I believe gyokko is stronger.

People don’t seem to realise that muichiro is far stronger than tengen and was marked.

We’re tengen wasn’t marked and is arguably one of the weakest hashira. So naturally he’s gonna struggle a ton. So essentially tengen made gyutaro look strong and muichiro made gyokko look weak to most people.

I firmly believe 2 things. If kotetsu never helped muichiro he would have died. And if he was never marked he would have died.

So I believe gyokko is stronger basically because of that. Not really a good reason. Or a reason at all tbh but it’s my opinion.

and I think people forget that it was not Tengen who killed Gyutaro, but a Tanjiro with the mark, if Tanjiro was not marked with the mark, Gyutaro would have killed both of them

Aug 11, 2023 7:42 AM

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I don't care about ranking
for me and most of the people gyutaro is much stronger

you're right the ranking is not reliable at all

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Leon888 said:

Phantom667 said:
I believe gyokko is stronger.

People don’t seem to realise that muichiro is far stronger than tengen and was marked.

We’re tengen wasn’t marked and is arguably one of the weakest hashira. So naturally he’s gonna struggle a ton. So essentially tengen made gyutaro look strong and muichiro made gyokko look weak to most people.

I firmly believe 2 things. If kotetsu never helped muichiro he would have died. And if he was never marked he would have died.

So I believe gyokko is stronger basically because of that. Not really a good reason. Or a reason at all tbh but it’s my opinion.

and I think people forget that it was not Tengen who killed Gyutaro, but a Tanjiro with the mark, if Tanjiro was not marked with the mark, Gyutaro would have killed both of them

I think it’s partly because anime onlys have yet to understand how the mark works and what it does.

Aug 11, 2023 7:44 AM

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gyokko is stronger. Murchiro just happens to be stronger than the both. so Gyokko looks super weak in the fight

it doesn't mean anything, Muichiro would have killed Gyutaro too (although I have my doubts), this would make Gyutaro weak in the fight ?

Aug 11, 2023 7:47 AM

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togeswords said:
I agree with the statements about Gyokko being stronger. Not only he is higher in ranks for a reason, but his attacks were pretty creepy. Muichiro had to fight to death and back to defeat him. Sure, he fought alone but still Muichiro is a rare talent, a descendant of Yoriichi.

But Gyutaro had such a sad backstory that many people sympathize with him despite being a villain.

but what does it mean? even Tengen had to fake his death to have a chance against Gyutaro, and still needed a branded tanjiro to be able to cut off his head, the fact that Muichiro with the brand> Gyokko, doesn't mean that Gyokko> Gyutaro

Aug 11, 2023 7:48 AM

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Gyutaro is uppermoon 6, Gyokko is uppermoon 5. Um 5> Um 6(they're ranked by power)
Easy af

So why does Gyutaro prove to be stronger than Gyokko? this ranking is not reliable

Aug 11, 2023 7:55 AM

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kyo_1 said:
base muichiro is stronger than base tengen so obviously it would make gyokko out be much weaker. On top of that muichiro was marked. Gyokko is way stronger than upper moon 6 bruh no questions.
The problem is that daki and um 6 are connected so it’s very hard if not impossible for 1 hashira to beat him. But in terms of physical strength and other things gyokko is superior. I believe if you were to put tengen and muichiro against um 6 and daki they would have a considerably easier time killing them than those 2 against gyokko (and honestly i’m not sure they would beat him if none of them got their mark during the fight).

but what you're saying ? Unmarked Tengen and stronger than unmarked Muichiro, he was the fastest among the hashira and the 2nd physically strongest, great experience, shinobi techniques, resistance to poisons and able to predict opponent's moves thanks to his hearing, the only thing is that his breathing style is very weak compared to Muichiro's, also Gyutaro was having a hard time with Tengen because there were more people like Tanjiro or Hinatsuru getting in their fight, but as soon as Tengen was left alone with Gyutaro, he defeated her easily, this shows how strong Gyutaro compared to Gyokko

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matthewjaykelly said:
i think what people dont realise, is that a hashira with a mark is as strong as an uppermoon, up to upper moon 3, i think thats why no hashira had killed an upper moon in over 100 years. the fact gyutaro had to fight a marked tanjiro with sun breathing, tengen and had to worry about his sister constantly being beheaded i think thats more impressive then gyoko who got slaughtered in his strongest form with ease by marked muichiro, simply put, tengen marked tanjiro zenitsu and inosuke are stronger then marked mui on his own

I'm perfectly agree

Aug 11, 2023 7:58 AM

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Gyokko has killed 15 hashira and Gyutaro plus Daki only killed 7, so I would say Gyokko is stronger

what are you talking about ? Gyutaro killed 15 Hashira and Daki 7, while on Gyokko we don't know how many Hashira killed, but why don't you inform out instead of talking bullshit?

Aug 11, 2023 8:01 AM

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Phantom667 said:

Leon888 said:

and I think people forget that it was not Tengen who killed Gyutaro, but a Tanjiro with the mark, if Tanjiro was not marked with the mark, Gyutaro would have killed both of them

I think it’s partly because anime onlys have yet to understand how the mark works and what it does.

but was it you who said that Gyokko stronger because defeated by marked muichiro and Gyutaro weaker because he was killed by unmarked Tengen

Aug 11, 2023 8:11 AM

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I did say that but I was mentioning how many anime onlys won’t realise how much of a power gap there is between muichiro and tengen and how the mark works and what it does.

Gyutaro losing to arguably the second weakest hashira and 3 demon slayers who aren’t hashira shows how much weaker he is.

And during swordsmith village muichiro is far stronger than any non demon there. But gyokko managing to take down and nearly kill muichiro was very impressive. Because even without the mark muichiro was considerably stronger than tengen or tanjiro.

So In short gyokko I believe is stronger for managing to put up a good fight against a very strong hashira that was marked.

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I did say that but I was mentioning how many anime onlys won’t realise how much of a power gap there is between muichiro and tengen and how the mark works and what it does.

Gyutaro losing to arguably the second weakest hashira and 3 demon slayers who aren’t hashira shows how much weaker he is.

And during swordsmith village muichiro is far stronger than any non demon there. But gyokko managing to take down and nearly kill muichiro was very impressive. Because even without the mark muichiro was considerably stronger than tengen or tanjiro.

So In short gyokko I believe is stronger for managing to put up a good fight against a very strong hashira that was marked.

but what you're saying ? Unmarked Tengen and stronger than unmarked Muichiro, he was the fastest among the hashira and the 2nd physically strongest, great experience, shinobi techniques, resistance to poisons and able to predict opponent's moves thanks to his hearing, the only thing is that his breathing style is very weak compared to Muichiro's, also Gyutaro was having a hard time with Tengen because there were more people like Tanjiro or Hinatsuru getting in their fight, but as soon as Tengen was left alone with Gyutaro, he defeated her easily, this shows how strong Gyutaro compared to Gyokko

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Yes unmarked muichiro is considerably stronger than tengen. Muichiro is if I remember correctly younger than tanjiro yet he became a hashira in only a few months. He arguably has the most potential out of any hashira.

Muichiro is also part of a bloodline I can’t mention without spoiling. But it’s a bloodline of incredibly strong demon slayers.

Muichiro held his own against upper 5 for a while until being trapped.

We’re tengen lost very quickly the moment he was left alone with gyutaro.

The power gap between gyutaro and gyokko isn’t massive but it is there which is most evident by there difference in rank.

But the power gap between tengen and muichiro is massive.

Edit: there is other things that can prove the gap between tengen and muichiro which occur later in the series.

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Yes unmarked muichiro is considerably stronger than tengen. Muichiro is if I remember correctly younger than tanjiro yet he became a hashira in only a few months. He arguably has the most potential out of any hashira.

Muichiro is also part of a bloodline I can’t mention without spoiling. But it’s a bloodline of incredibly strong demon slayers.

Muichiro held his own against upper 5 for a while until being trapped.

We’re tengen lost very quickly the moment he was left alone with gyutaro.

The power gap between gyutaro and gyokko isn’t massive but it is there which is most evident by there difference in rank.

But the power gap between tengen and muichiro is massive.

Edit: there is other things that can prove the gap between tengen and muichiro which occur later in the series.

it doesn't mean anything, then Muichiro would be stronger even than Sanemi because he became a Hashira in just 2 months? lol, Muichiro was completely beaten by unbranded Gyokko, but with the branded Muichiro quickly knocked him out, while Tengen on the other hand didn't get a chance to unlock the brand, and that's the only difference between the 2, but Tengen still remains superior in terms of physical stats and experience, Muichiro obviously had a lot of potential so if he had spent more years training, he would have surpassed the other hashira, but unfortunately we are talking about when he was still 14 years old, many consider Tengen the weakest hashira only because he had no unlocked the mark and was beaten by Gyutaro, but to mention that the unmarked Mitsuri or Muichiro would also die, also Gyutaro had to face Tengen and Tanjiro while also having to look after his sister, Gyokko one thing he had to do but he was humiliated badly, what which Gyutaro would not allow

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Ultimately I think muichiro is stronger because at his young age he is able to solo upper 5 when tengen needed help. He also has other feats during the second to last arc which can prove he is stronger.

When it comes to gyokko and gyutaro like I said there power difference isn’t massive but I still believe gyokko is stronger because he managed against muichiro who I believe is stronger than tengen.

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togeswords said:
I agree with the statements about Gyokko being stronger. Not only he is higher in ranks for a reason, but his attacks were pretty creepy. Muichiro had to fight to death and back to defeat him. Sure, he fought alone but still Muichiro is a rare talent, a descendant of Yoriichi.

But Gyutaro had such a sad backstory that many people sympathize with him despite being a villain.

but what does it mean? even Tengen had to fake his death to have a chance against Gyutaro, and still needed a branded tanjiro to be able to cut off his head, the fact that Muichiro with the brand> Gyokko, doesn't mean that Gyokko> Gyutaro

because they are ranked by the power. also Muichiro is among the best among the hashira. If you, however, don´t think the kazuki are ranked by their powers, well I can´t prove you wrong, can I? if you don´t believe that Muichiro is better than Tenger as in technique, speed and battle IQ despite him being described as a prodigy, I am gonna be the first to admit I am not sure if my claims are actually factual because I have only watched the fan theories, videos and read the fandom wiki. I haven´t read the manga so I am not sure whether there is any additional information.

I mean, maybe you are right, I definitely see how strong Gyutaro was, but I personally think that Gyokko was stronger based on what I had noticed and described.

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Ultimately I think muichiro is stronger because at his young age he is able to solo upper 5 when tengen needed help. He also has other feats during the second to last arc which can prove he is stronger.

When it comes to gyokko and gyutaro like I said there power difference isn’t massive but I still believe gyokko is stronger because he managed against muichiro who I believe is stronger than tengen.

apart from that Muichiro was helped by the child, but I repeat that Muichiro was marked, Tengen no that's the difference, that's why Muichiro didn't need help, but we all know what would have happened if Muichiro hadn't been marked... also in the final saga Muichiro also unlocks several Skills, that's why he proves ahead of other hashira, Tengen never had the opportunity to unlock those skills

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Phantom667 said:
Ultimately I think muichiro is stronger because at his young age he is able to solo upper 5 when tengen needed help. He also has other feats during the second to last arc which can prove he is stronger.

When it comes to gyokko and gyutaro like I said there power difference isn’t massive but I still believe gyokko is stronger because he managed against muichiro who I believe is stronger than tengen.

apart from that Muichiro was helped by the child, but I repeat that Muichiro was marked, Tengen no that's the difference, that's why Muichiro didn't need help, but we all know what would have happened if Muichiro hadn't been marked... also in the final saga Muichiro also unlocks several Skills, that's why he proves ahead of other hashira, Tengen never had the opportunity to unlock those skills

And the fact that he didn’t unlock these abilities already shows he is weaker than most hashira.

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but what does it mean? even Tengen had to fake his death to have a chance against Gyutaro, and still needed a branded tanjiro to be able to cut off his head, the fact that Muichiro with the brand> Gyokko, doesn't mean that Gyokko> Gyutaro

because they are ranked by the power. also Muichiro is among the best among the hashira. If you, however, don´t think the kazuki are ranked by their powers, well I can´t prove you wrong, can I? if you don´t believe that Muichiro is better than Tenger as in technique, speed and battle IQ despite him being described as a prodigy, I am gonna be the first to admit I am not sure if my claims are actually factual because I have only watched the fan theories, videos and read the fandom wiki. I haven´t read the manga so I am not sure whether there is any additional information.

I mean, maybe you are right, I definitely see how strong Gyutaro was, but I personally think that Gyokko was stronger based on what I had noticed and described.

the problem is that the ranking is not reliable, just think of Rui who was the waning 5 and proved to be stronger than Enmu... some demons are not interested in climbing the ranks as in the case of Gyutaro, who preferred to look after his sister Daki, despite having the potential to be higher in the standings and then Muichiro is a prodigy but he still lacks a few years of training to overcome the other hashira who are at the top, in the manga they confirm that Tengen was the fastest hashira among all is the 2 physically strongest hashira, besides the fact that he had other skills that could very well put him in the top 5 hashira, Muichiro eventually becomes stronger only because he manages to unlock various skills during the manga such as Mark, etc... what that both Tengen and Rengoku and if we want also Kanae have not had the possibility to unlock because they exited the game too soon, if instead Uzui had participated in the final battle against the crescent moons he would probably be at least among the 5 best hashira ever

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apart from that Muichiro was helped by the child, but I repeat that Muichiro was marked, Tengen no that's the difference, that's why Muichiro didn't need help, but we all know what would have happened if Muichiro hadn't been marked... also in the final saga Muichiro also unlocks several Skills, that's why he proves ahead of other hashira, Tengen never had the opportunity to unlock those skills

And the fact that he didn’t unlock these abilities already shows he is weaker than most hashira.

but he literally couldn't unlock them, not even Rengoku and Kanae could, the only reason the other demon slayers were able to unlock those abilities and the fact that Tanjiro had unlocked the mark against Gyutaro, is that it allowed the other hashira to also unlock the mark, but since Tengen couldn't participate during the final battle, it seems obvious to me why he couldn't unlock the mark

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Leon888 said:

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because they are ranked by the power. also Muichiro is among the best among the hashira. If you, however, don´t think the kazuki are ranked by their powers, well I can´t prove you wrong, can I? if you don´t believe that Muichiro is better than Tenger as in technique, speed and battle IQ despite him being described as a prodigy, I am gonna be the first to admit I am not sure if my claims are actually factual because I have only watched the fan theories, videos and read the fandom wiki. I haven´t read the manga so I am not sure whether there is any additional information.

I mean, maybe you are right, I definitely see how strong Gyutaro was, but I personally think that Gyokko was stronger based on what I had noticed and described.

the problem is that the ranking is not reliable, just think of Rui who was the waning 5 and proved to be stronger than Enmu... some demons are not interested in climbing the ranks as in the case of Gyutaro, who preferred to look after his sister Daki, despite having the potential to be higher in the standings and then Muichiro is a prodigy but he still lacks a few years of training to overcome the other hashira who are at the top, in the manga they confirm that Tengen was the fastest hashira among all is the 2 physically strongest hashira, besides the fact that he had other skills that could very well put him in the top 5 hashira, Muichiro eventually becomes stronger only because he manages to unlock various skills during the manga such as Mark, etc... what that both Tengen and Rengoku and if we want also Kanae have not had the possibility to unlock because they exited the game too soon, if instead Uzui had participated in the final battle against the crescent moons he would probably be at least among the 5 best hashira ever

How did he prove to be stronger? He needed his "family" to be as strong as he was. He was certainly the cleverest, but not physically the strongest among the spider family. From my understanding, to get a higher ranking among the kazuki you need to fight the demon stronger than you are or/and kill many, many humans.

The second physically strongest hashira is Sanemi. There is a reason why Obanai mocked him a bit for being hurt after the battle. Would Tengen be stronger had he unlocked his mark? That is a possibility but I am having difficulties to believe that he would be stronger than Muichiro. Not to mention, imagine that Muichiro would reach the same age as Tengen. Do you think he would have been stronger?

By no means do I think Tengen is some weakling, not at all. He is as badass as one can be, brave to the boot. He was ready to fight till death for his friends and I definitely don´t want to blindly follow any "Muichiro is just better" biased rhetoric. I am just coming from the fact that Muichiro is a prodigy so my expectations are high. (why else calling him a prodigy, why even portraying him as such in your story?)

As for Gyutaro, I think you are definitely right that maybe if he had tried a bit harder and didn´t take care of Daki (or at least if his attention wasn´t purely on taking care of Daki) and he was more ambitious, there is a very very high possibility that he would have been ranked higher. What doesn´t work for me is just if the rankings are not based on strength itself, as you are saying, why do we even need them in the story? It doesn´t make sense to me. There has to be a purpose.

btw, thanks for the discussion. it is bringing me back to the DS world. I hope I am not coming off too argumentative or anything.

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the problem is that the ranking is not reliable, just think of Rui who was the waning 5 and proved to be stronger than Enmu... some demons are not interested in climbing the ranks as in the case of Gyutaro, who preferred to look after his sister Daki, despite having the potential to be higher in the standings and then Muichiro is a prodigy but he still lacks a few years of training to overcome the other hashira who are at the top, in the manga they confirm that Tengen was the fastest hashira among all is the 2 physically strongest hashira, besides the fact that he had other skills that could very well put him in the top 5 hashira, Muichiro eventually becomes stronger only because he manages to unlock various skills during the manga such as Mark, etc... what that both Tengen and Rengoku and if we want also Kanae have not had the possibility to unlock because they exited the game too soon, if instead Uzui had participated in the final battle against the crescent moons he would probably be at least among the 5 best hashira ever

How did he prove to be stronger? He needed his "family" to be as strong as he was. He was certainly the cleverest, but not physically the strongest among the spider family. From my understanding, to get a higher ranking among the kazuki you need to fight the demon stronger than you are or/and kill many, many humans.

The second physically strongest hashira is Sanemi. There is a reason why Obanai mocked him a bit for being hurt after the battle. Would Tengen be stronger had he unlocked his mark? That is a possibility but I am having difficulties to believe that he would be stronger than Muichiro. Not to mention, imagine that Muichiro would reach the same age as Tengen. Do you think he would have been stronger?

By no means do I think Tengen is some weakling, not at all. He is as badass as one can be, brave to the boot. He was ready to fight till death for his friends and I definitely don´t want to blindly follow any "Muichiro is just better" biased rhetoric. I am just coming from the fact that Muichiro is a prodigy so my expectations are high. (why else calling him a prodigy, why even portraying him as such in your story?)

As for Gyutaro, I think you are definitely right that maybe if he had tried a bit harder and didn´t take care of Daki (or at least if his attention wasn´t purely on taking care of Daki) and he was more ambitious, there is a very very high possibility that he would have been ranked higher. What doesn´t work for me is just if the rankings are not based on strength itself, as you are saying, why do we even need them in the story? It doesn´t make sense to me. There has to be a purpose.

btw, thanks for the discussion. it is bringing me back to the DS world. I hope I am not coming off too argumentative or anything.

Just see Tanjiro's reactions, as soon as he manages to decapitate Enmu the first time he comments that he was weaker than Rui, in fact Enmu had to merge with an entire train and take 200 passengers hostage in order to have a chance against the hunters, moreover if you read the spin offs of Sanemi and Rengoku you will understand that Enmu and the other 4 waning moons killed by Muzan had just been changed, in fact Rui was the one who had been active the longest, but it is clear that he was not interested in climbing the hierarchies.

It is specified in the manga in which Gotoge makes a ranking among the Hashira based on speed, in which Uzui appears to be the fastest and based on strength (or in this case an arm wrestling match) and Uzui was the second most physically strong, Gyomei was the first and Rengoku the third... Sanemi I don't remember what position he was in but he was probably the 4th strongest physically. Also what you forget is that Tengen has more experience and has various skills that Muichiro doesn't have: he is the fastest of the hashira and the 2nd strongest physically, he possesses shinobi techniques, explosive bombs, poisoned kunai, high resistance to poisons and a hearing superdeveloped with which he can anticipate the opponent's moves, that is, give him a brand, crimson sword and transparent world and this destroys everything, Muichiro is talented but lacks years of training a bit like Tanjiro, obviously if Muichiro were the same age as Tengen would probably be stronger than Sanemi and Gyomei too.

for the rankings consider that all the moons have made a journey to get to where they are now, Douma was 6 crescent moon and then became 2 moon overtaking Akaza who had been active for longer than him, ditto Nakime was classified by Muzan 4 moon instead that 5, means higher than Gyutaro and Gyokko. Kokushibo explains how to reach a higher position, it could simply be that some demons are not interested in climbing the hierarchies

Aug 13, 2023 11:54 PM

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Phantom667 said:
Yes unmarked muichiro is considerably stronger than tengen. Muichiro is if I remember correctly younger than tanjiro yet he became a hashira in only a few months. He arguably has the most potential out of any hashira.

Muichiro is also part of a bloodline I can’t mention without spoiling. But it’s a bloodline of incredibly strong demon slayers.

Muichiro held his own against upper 5 for a while until being trapped.

We’re tengen lost very quickly the moment he was left alone with gyutaro.

The power gap between gyutaro and gyokko isn’t massive but it is there which is most evident by there difference in rank.

But the power gap between tengen and muichiro is massive.

Edit: there is other things that can prove the gap between tengen and muichiro which occur later in the series.

I don't think anyone agrees with you

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Aug 14, 2023 4:41 AM

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Leon888 said:

Vulture_47 said:
Gyutaro is uppermoon 6, Gyokko is uppermoon 5. Um 5> Um 6(they're ranked by power)
Easy af

So why does Gyutaro prove to be stronger than Gyokko? this ranking is not reliable

Wtf is wrong with these anime onlys? Nowhere proved Gyutaro is stronger than Gyokko. The manga itself says that the 12 kizuki ranking is based on their power.

Aug 15, 2023 11:15 AM

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