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Jun 1, 2023 8:49 AM
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Hi, I just finished watching the last episode and I was a little disappointed with how it ended, especially because everyone dies especially the courier and SWINDLER who are the main characters who introduced us to the show.

Ok, the kids are saved (not that I cared much) and after? Absolutely nothing changes, the kansai is on fire because the protest is rampant, they have knocked down the tower of the execution squad, but many members are still alive and with the ability to regroup. Furthermore, the quantum computer of the Kantō is still functional able to exert pressure on the population of the kansai (which had lost the war previously), just remember the terror that the leader of the execution team felt when he spoke to the "yellow masks".

The story was good up to half, the peak was reached with the clash between Brawler and Execution Division Master. That they lost their lives could also be there but I expected an interaction between Hoodlum and the girl Division Apprentice.

I expected many more qualities from the boy, he seemed intelligent at the beginning, able to find classified information, come up with complex plans to attack the shinkansen, send mails to supervillains untraceable by the police and the ability to send 1 billion yen to every single member for assignment. In the second half, however, his "best plan" is to escape to the moon with his sister, without knowing that it was actually destroyed some time ago by the war (buy yourself some binoculars or find other information, no, right?), with an old rocket . Great.

It would have been much more interesting to build a new base, with the funds he had, and organize a coup to free the kansai and build a new order and give the akudama the possibility to erase all crimes. In particular, the child's "reison d'etre" must have been to dismantle the factory of immortal children, in fact we remember that the kansai had completed the technology to reproduce the immortal children in more units, precisely creating his sister. His goal therefore in my view was to stop this abuse towards other children, in fact remembering his friends that he had lost in school / factory. And from there the story would have taken a different turn with a much more satisfying ending, perhaps even defeating the kanto.

 Another disappointing scene in the final, when hacker sacrifices himself to save the two children from the computer, he tells them to go to those coordinates and get back on the train. ok, but the train goes back to the kansai station, where obviously the police are waiting for you.

The beauty is that the courier has a motorcycle. All 4 of you get on motorbikes, and reach the destination on motorbikes, right? By now they have survived the purification zone it's just a matter of getting out of the zone in fact the problem was to get in. Don't tell me otherwise they ran out of fuel because the journey was too long, as if a motorcycle that shoots plasma beams has refueling problems, cough coough :)

It was obvious that they were targeting the train.

 Nice introduction of the characters, but I wanted to see more, some backstory and how they became akudama. And instead zero characterization.

And finally their names. It would have been a touch of class at least for the courier and swindler to reveal their real names, perhaps in an ending in which both declared themselves as survivors. I expected the two children to give them a potion of their blood for the final battle to drink or use on wounds, to use the healing properties of their immortal cells, as a trump card. (apparently nothing beats the doctor's needle and thread skills, she really works wonders, I'm still amazed she didn't make it cough cough).

What a pity. What a regret. There was so much material that could be used for an interesting and epic story, and instead they threw almost everything out the window. Much more could have been done for the story and for each character.

 IT really had great potential and I was enjoying it as show.
Jun 1, 2023 9:19 AM
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Similarly to Cyberpunk Edgerunners, this is a story with a punk themes, where main characters are standing up to the corrupt system, but are powerless to change or fight it, so the system changes them.
In this story Ordinary Person, eventually descends into villainy and embraces it becoming the Swindler with an illusion that she is doing something good and noble by saving those kids, while in fact she has indirectly caused more death and destruction than any other character in this show by instigating violent riots.
There are no heroes nor victors in this story.

I wouldn't say it's a bad ending, because you are supposed to reflect upon it and understand message, not feel happy or anything like that.
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Jun 1, 2023 10:08 AM
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Piromysl said:
Similarly to Cyberpunk Edgerunners, this is a story with a punk themes, where main characters are standing up to the corrupt system, but are powerless to change or fight it, so the system changes them.
In this story Ordinary Person, eventually descends into villainy and embraces it becoming the Swindler with an illusion that she is doing something good and noble by saving those kids, while in fact she has indirectly caused more death and destruction than any other character in this show by instigating violent riots.
There are no heroes nor victors in this story.

I wouldn't say it's a bad ending, because you are supposed to reflect upon it and underuthe message, not feel happy or anything like that.

It’s probably best not to talk too much about another series other then the topic but yeah you pretty much took my words out of my mouth. In all honesty, I really liked the ending of series. Not every series has to have the main character to make in an impact in the world itself, but if that’s what you’re used to watching then you’ll be disappointed by a lot of series out there.

The cyberpunk genre as a whole works this way just about 80% of the time, not just from Japanese media but American as well. Personally from what I read from the original poster, their less disappointed and more frustrated with the ending.
Jun 1, 2023 10:45 AM
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If you understand the ending. Then why make a thread about it.
Jun 1, 2023 11:33 AM
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welcome to the cyberpunk genre bro
Jun 1, 2023 1:45 PM
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For me i saw all but swindler and hoodlum as already dead. they have high prices on their heads so I saw no escape for them.

Beyond that I was just hoping for a "fills in the title" moment for swindler which I was right.

Though I do want to know why you are so set on a fully closed off story in my opinion.
Jun 1, 2023 4:26 PM
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I thought it looked great, but there's a reason why I gave it a 4. I didn't read your whole post, but will soon.

I really wished that they had made Swindler not a normal citizen and instead had made her a, well... SWINDLER! How awesome would it have been if it was a real heist that went on for the entirety of the show? I'm thinking Six of Crows really. They have to plan the heist, get ready for it, perform it, and then deal with trying to get away. Think Batman: Assault on Arkham, which is a great animated movie. Swindler could have been useful with an interesting backstory for not only her, but for the entire crew. But they didn't flesh out any of the crew or the plot, really. They just turned it into a dumb "human experimentation" for immortality plot and didn't give enough time to the characters, which would have made this show great.

The show is beautiful, the animation is high quality, and the character design is great. The original premise was also good, but then they ruined it big time for me. I would even be fine with people dying, but at least don't be predictable about it and give backstory to the characters. Their banter would have been great with actual good writers.
Jun 2, 2023 1:18 AM
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totally agree with you, ending was so bad
Jun 2, 2023 8:14 AM
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ErogakiPatches said:
How awesome would it have been if it was a real heist that went on for the entirety of the show?
Indeed. i expected just that, because there was a possibility since she  worked in the stamp office.
ErogakiPatches said:
Swindler could have been useful with an interesting backstory for not only her, but for the entire crew. But they didn't flesh out any of the crew or the plot, really. They just turned it into a dumb "human experimentation" for immortality plot and didn't give enough time to the characters, which would have made this show great.
Exact! that's why i say it had huge potential.
Jun 3, 2023 7:54 AM
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Samuele said:
Hi, I just finished watching the last episode and I was a little disappointed with how it ended, especially because everyone dies especially the courier and SWINDLER who are the main characters who introduced us to the show.

Ok, the kids are saved (not that I cared much) and after? Absolutely nothing changes, the kansai is on fire because the protest is rampant, they have knocked down the tower of the execution squad, but many members are still alive and with the ability to regroup. Furthermore, the quantum computer of the Kantō is still functional able to exert pressure on the population of the kansai (which had lost the war previously), just remember the terror that the leader of the execution team felt when he spoke to the "yellow masks".

The story was good up to half, the peak was reached with the clash between Brawler and Execution Division Master. That they lost their lives could also be there but I expected an interaction between Hoodlum and the girl Division Apprentice.

I expected many more qualities from the boy, he seemed intelligent at the beginning, able to find classified information, come up with complex plans to attack the shinkansen, send mails to supervillains untraceable by the police and the ability to send 1 billion yen to every single member for assignment. In the second half, however, his "best plan" is to escape to the moon with his sister, without knowing that it was actually destroyed some time ago by the war (buy yourself some binoculars or find other information, no, right?), with an old rocket . Great.

It would have been much more interesting to build a new base, with the funds he had, and organize a coup to free the kansai and build a new order and give the akudama the possibility to erase all crimes. In particular, the child's "reison d'etre" must have been to dismantle the factory of immortal children, in fact we remember that the kansai had completed the technology to reproduce the immortal children in more units, precisely creating his sister. His goal therefore in my view was to stop this abuse towards other children, in fact remembering his friends that he had lost in school / factory. And from there the story would have taken a different turn with a much more satisfying ending, perhaps even defeating the kanto.

 Another disappointing scene in the final, when hacker sacrifices himself to save the two children from the computer, he tells them to go to those coordinates and get back on the train. ok, but the train goes back to the kansai station, where obviously the police are waiting for you.

The beauty is that the courier has a motorcycle. All 4 of you get on motorbikes, and reach the destination on motorbikes, right? By now they have survived the purification zone it's just a matter of getting out of the zone in fact the problem was to get in. Don't tell me otherwise they ran out of fuel because the journey was too long, as if a motorcycle that shoots plasma beams has refueling problems, cough coough :)

It was obvious that they were targeting the train.

 Nice introduction of the characters, but I wanted to see more, some backstory and how they became akudama. And instead zero characterization.

And finally their names. It would have been a touch of class at least for the courier and swindler to reveal their real names, perhaps in an ending in which both declared themselves as survivors. I expected the two children to give them a potion of their blood for the final battle to drink or use on wounds, to use the healing properties of their immortal cells, as a trump card. (apparently nothing beats the doctor's needle and thread skills, she really works wonders, I'm still amazed she didn't make it cough cough).

What a pity. What a regret. There was so much material that could be used for an interesting and epic story, and instead they threw almost everything out the window. Much more could have been done for the story and for each character.

 IT really had great potential and I was enjoying it as show.

My friend, it sounds like you've just pitched to us a half-decent fanfic.

Not that you haven't made valid points, but there's only so much you can fit into a 1-cour series.

I'm guessing you aren't aware, but going back into the 20th century, heist films regularly end with the entire team dying; you're welcome to argue against convention, but for a heist film, it's not at all uncommon.
Jun 4, 2023 4:47 PM

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More like disappointing second half. Or rather borderline unwatchable second half.
Jun 11, 2023 1:52 AM
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It was dissapointing. But I still very much enjoyed it, and still after a year of last time watching it I still vibe with an opening.
Jun 11, 2023 5:27 AM

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imma be honest, this had one of my favorite endings out of every anime that i have seen.

and the second half is far better than the first.

i get how you feel. but that was the whole point. its not badly done, you just wanted it to do something different.
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Nov 12, 2023 4:02 AM
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As much as i love the show i gotta agree with you.. btw i think the original actually have the backstory for each character but they probably thought that this directions is fine, which is im fine in my opinion, i did heard that the process of making this show is somehow unique u can search on yt on channel called The Canipa Effect.
Dec 10, 2023 11:09 PM
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this is cyberpunk

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