The father

Jan 21, 2022 2:00 PM

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Joxaren

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I was thinking the exact same thing. I waited for a post credit scene or something to address.

Jan 21, 2022 2:46 PM

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ktg

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She understood her mother. This story is not about a male and female protagonist or a love story. It's only about Suzu. She stuck in her life, can't song, doesn't understand her mother's actions.
The whole story, everything that happened is to help her understand her mother.

I read it a lot that people misunderstand the story and tries to talk about how it fails at being a beauty and the beast, but it doesn't want to be that.

Jan 22, 2022 7:12 PM

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YoseiEgg

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Yea I don't understand it either. Worst-case scenario the dad amps up the beatings because he was caught. Kei saying he'll keep on fighting is motivational but to end it like that feels kinda open-ended, even though it's not centered on her.

Jan 25, 2022 2:53 PM

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BariBoyB

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ktg said:
She understood her mother. This story is not about a male and female protagonist or a love story. It's only about Suzu. She stuck in her life, can't song, doesn't understand her mother's actions.
The whole story, everything that happened is to help her understand her mother.

I read it a lot that people misunderstand the story and tries to talk about how it fails at being a beauty and the beast, but it doesn't want to be that.

nah I get that. I felt relieved that it wasn't a beauty and the beast romance story, and something else entirely. Idk maybe a quick scene of the dad getting arrested, or the children getting put into child protective services, or even the dad being remorseful. I feel like it would show how, like her mother, she saved a life.

Jan 25, 2022 4:16 PM

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ktg

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BariBoyB said:

ktg said:
She understood her mother. This story is not about a male and female protagonist or a love story. It's only about Suzu. She stuck in her life, can't song, doesn't understand her mother's actions.
The whole story, everything that happened is to help her understand her mother.

I read it a lot that people misunderstand the story and tries to talk about how it fails at being a beauty and the beast, but it doesn't want to be that.

nah I get that. I felt relieved that it wasn't a beauty and the beast romance story, and something else entirely. Idk maybe a quick scene of the dad getting arrested, or the children getting put into child protective services, or even the dad being remorseful. I feel like it would show how, like her mother, she saved a life.

I don't think that's important. Like they didn't tell us who's gonna end up with Suzu.
It's only about her. Even if she didn't help the kids from their point of view, she would still think she did what her mother did, I mean from her perspective.

Feb 6, 2022 7:06 AM

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BariBoyB said:
Idk maybe a quick scene of the dad getting arrested, or the children getting put into child protective services, or even the dad being remorseful.

I do think that look on his face when he finally lowered his fists showed that he finally realised the horror of what he was doing and that he was misdirecting his anger and grief about the loss of his wife.

I don't know what will happen to those boys, but the important thing they learned is that there are people out there looking out for them, that the "I'll help you"s aren't always empty words.

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Feb 10, 2022 10:50 PM

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lilas_garuda

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The whole scene where she “protects” them is laughable at best. A man who physically abuses his own kids on a regular basis, in a moment of rage suddenly finds himself unable to hit some random girl, just because she keeps staring at him? Yeah, right, that’s totally believable! I guess the scriptwriter has never met an actual abuser in his life. Well, good for him…
I get the whole “this movie is not about that” thing, but that’s just an excuse. Because if you DO include a plotline, you have to make it actually believable — otherwise why bother at all? This is sloppy.

lilas_garudaFeb 11, 2022 5:23 AM

Feb 11, 2022 8:54 AM

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Pyragira

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lilas_garuda said:
The whole scene where she “protects” them is laughable at best. A man who physically abuses his own kids on a regular basis, in a moment of rage suddenly finds himself unable to hit some random girl, just because she keeps staring at him? Yeah, right, that’s totally believable! I guess the scriptwriter has never met an actual abuser in his life. Well, good for him…
I get the whole “this movie is not about that” thing, but that’s just an excuse. Because if you DO include a plotline, you have to make it actually believable — otherwise why bother at all? This is sloppy.

It really depends in what you want to believe. I would not go as far as to say this was impossible or sloppy. From what I saw he was abusing them more mentally then physically, he still has most likely his social/work persona to maintain and he most likely did not beat them to leave marks or maybe even outright did not beat them at all. Scars on the boy could be mental ones, you can clearly see his father telling him he is useless many times. Why he could not punch her? Good question, I would want to believe that he was of a weak mind, clearly you are not strong if you go as low as to bully children. He could be simply a coward. In case of boys going back home, taking into account above maybe they just needed to know that they are not useless and that there is someone believing in them and actually putting something important to them on the line. Whatever this is just a story.

Feb 11, 2022 9:13 AM

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lilas_garuda

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Pyragira said:
It really depends in what you want to believe.

Yeah, I guess it also depends on our own personal experiences in real life. Based on his behavior around kids, I got the impression that the father is despotic and controlling, maybe even a control freak — and nothing enrages these people more than open defiance. So that whole “stubbornly staring in your face” thing she pulled off should’ve been like waving a red flag to a bull.
But maybe the author just didn’t think it through that deeply, so looking for some genuine psychology here is useless altogether. XD He just needed a scene of her “saving” them and that’s it. To me it seemed very simplistic and fairytale-like. But I guess it’s meant to be a fairytale.

Feb 11, 2022 9:39 AM

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lilas_garuda said:

Pyragira said:
It really depends in what you want to believe.

Yeah, I guess it also depends on our own personal experiences in real life. Based on his behavior around kids, I got the impression that the father is despotic and controlling, maybe even a control freak — and nothing enrages these people more than open defiance. So that whole “stubbornly staring in your face” thing she pulled off should’ve been like waving a red flag to a bull.
But maybe the author just didn’t think it through that deeply, so looking for some genuine psychology here is useless altogether. XD He just needed a scene of her “saving” them and that’s it. To me it seemed very simplistic and fairytale-like. But I guess it’s meant to be a fairytale.

You know it's not like simple psychological defiance was never portrait in that way in culture where weak physically, but of strong mind won with out actual fight, I will don't give you examples but I am sure I saw this happened before.

Also I know I am going to deep on it... but in animal world fights in many cases are just a staring contest and on certain level we are just animals so it's not impossible that this can't apply to us.

Control freek sure but technically she was outside of his control reach, he can not do anything to her that would not be consideret a crime. He can do it to boys as their guardian under dyscyplin pretexts.

Feb 11, 2022 9:53 AM

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lilas_garuda

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Pyragira said:

Control freek sure but technically she was outside of his control reach, he can not do anything to her that would not be consideret a crime.

At that point he could’ve just grabbed the boys and leave without beating her or anything. She was just standing in front of him, lol. A little girl winning such a “staring contest” against a grown-ass man to the point of totally breaking his will like that seems like a reeeally big stretch to me, so… my money’s still on the “they didn’t bother to go that deep because it's a fairytale” theory.

Feb 11, 2022 10:39 AM

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Pyragira

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lilas_garuda said:

Pyragira said:

Control freek sure but technically she was outside of his control reach, he can not do anything to her that would not be consideret a crime.

At that point he could’ve just grabbed the boys and leave without beating her or anything. She was just standing in front of him, lol. A little girl winning such a “staring contest” against a grown-ass man to the point of totally breaking his will like that seems like a reeeally big stretch to me, so… my money’s still on the “they didn’t bother to go that deep because it's a fairytale” theory.

Just to know "Grown-ass man" is not an auto for a strong person, grown ass soldiers can cry like little girls taking right circumstances without going physical. Point of my writing is just to show this situation however unlikely is not impossible like is not impossible for protag in action movie to not be hit by thousands bullets heading his way. "They did not bother" is simply what they planed to tell the story so they bothered what they need to achieve it in their eyes. On the end is up to the viewer to set the limits or decide to simply overlook certain aspects in the name of overall enjoyment :)

Feb 11, 2022 11:02 AM

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lilas_garuda

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Pyragira said:
Just to know "Grown-ass man" is not an auto for a strong person, grown ass soldiers can cry like little girls taking right circumstances without going physical.

Sure, grown ass men get broken too, you just don’t see them getting broken by the aforementioned little girls. Usually it’s the other way around.
I guess the real reason this particular "plot twist" bothered me so much (and indeed greatly reduced the overall enjoyment) is because I had to deal with actual child abusers in my line of work. So I almost felt mocked, like the movie was saying something like “hey, look, she helped them just like that, a random girl can do it by simply staring at the abuser!”
Kei even said it himself: others (presumably adults) tried to help them before, but nothing actually changed in their life. ”I’ll talk to your father. // I’ve talked to your father. // Your father understands now!” THAT part was actually much more realistic, so it gave me some fake hope they’re digging deeper. That’s why I was so disappointed by that scene.

lilas_garudaFeb 11, 2022 11:21 AM

Jun 6, 2022 5:19 PM

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ktg said:

BariBoyB said:

nah I get that. I felt relieved that it wasn't a beauty and the beast romance story, and something else entirely. Idk maybe a quick scene of the dad getting arrested, or the children getting put into child protective services, or even the dad being remorseful. I feel like it would show how, like her mother, she saved a life.

I don't think that's important. Like they didn't tell us who's gonna end up with Suzu.
It's only about her. Even if she didn't help the kids from their point of view, she would still think she did what her mother did, I mean from her perspective.

. You can keep saying it doesn’t matter but it doesn’t make it any better as a viewer when the whole movie was building up to the secret of the beast. So viewers wanting a definite ending on that storyline is not wrong. The mother thing is less important. It’s part of why suzu didn’t want to interact with anyone and let anyone worry about her. But it’s part of her character development . The burning story question is about the beast

Jun 7, 2022 3:04 PM

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ktg

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TeeRaySays said:

ktg said:

I don't think that's important. Like they didn't tell us who's gonna end up with Suzu.
It's only about her. Even if she didn't help the kids from their point of view, she would still think she did what her mother did, I mean from her perspective.

. You can keep saying it doesn’t matter but it doesn’t make it any better as a viewer when the whole movie was building up to the secret of the beast. So viewers wanting a definite ending on that storyline is not wrong. The mother thing is less important. It’s part of why suzu didn’t want to interact with anyone and let anyone worry about her. But it’s part of her character development . The burning story question is about the beast

That's where you are wrong.
Firstly, the whole story is about Suzu and not about the beast's secret. That's the whole point.
Secondly, even if the main question is the beast's secret, we got an answer for that, a definite answer. Every question about the beast got answered. The who's gonna end up with Suzu is not about the beast's secret.

Before you answer to this. Think first, because my comment was about the relationships in the show and nothing to do with the beast's secret, while you were talking about only that.

Jun 7, 2022 3:14 PM

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TeeRaySays

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My response because multiple times you discredited people asking what’s going to happen to the beast from now on , if they’re gonna continue to be abused with “it doesn’t matter it’s not about the beast” to which i said it is about him and his future. Can’t really be hyped for suzus character development when it didn’t solve anything

Jun 7, 2022 3:17 PM

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ktg said:
That's where you are wrong. Firstly, the whole story is about Suzu and not about the beast's secret. That's the whole point.
Secondly, even if the main question is the beast's secret, we got an answer for that, a definite answer. Every question about the beast got answered. The who's gonna end up with Suzu is not about the beast's secret.

Before you answer to this. Think first, because my comment was about the relationships in the show and nothing to do with the beast's secret, while you were talking about only that.

Nobody ever said the movie was about the beast’s secret. I did enjoy her finally understanding her mothers actions. There still should have been something that proved she made a difference in someone else’s life. They show her mother making a difference by saving the drowning kid, but with Suzu there’s nothing to show for that. It’s not very satisfying to leave such a plot point open like that. It’s great it ties up Suzu’s character, but it doesn’t do a very good job tying up the beast’s character. Also the “it’s not about the beast” argument is lame, he was a major character that the movie made me feel for of course I’m gonna have these concerns when the movie doesn’t tie it all together.

BariBoyBJun 7, 2022 3:23 PM

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