I’ve watched it and I think I understood 75% of what they were saying, but I still have this feeling that’s bothering me. This season to me was the weakest so far.
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It was very complete I don’t remember sorry but I think if you watch the next series you should understand (don’t know in what order you watch but the next should be koyomimonogatari)
Letucdelu said: It was very complete I don’t remember sorry but I think if you watch the next series you should understand (don’t know in what order you watch but the next should be koyomimonogatari)
owari is pretty much completely unrelated to them, i would just watch it again or read the light novels unless someone is willing to spend their time explaining it all, i remember the second half of owari part 1 being really bad anyway
Owari s1 was definitely the weakest imo as well. Tbh I'd just continue watching it as you are and then maybe revisit the season again after you've finish zoku.
Or just restart the whole series after lol that's what I ended up doing and I ended up liking the entire series even more. There's alot of details I didn't even see my 1st watch.(I'm guessing due to the excessive reading and thinking I was doing).
But ya up to you.
VERXZETE said: I’ve watched it and I think I understood 75% of what they were saying, but I still have this feeling that’s bothering me. This season to me was the weakest so far.
Pharqwad said: Owari s1 was definitely the weakest imo as well. Tbh I'd just continue watching it as you are and then maybe revisit the season again after you've finish zoku.
Or just restart the whole series after lol that's what I ended up doing and I ended up liking the entire series even more. There's alot of details I didn't even see my 1st watch.(I'm guessing due to the excessive reading and thinking I was doing).
But ya up to you.
Pharqwad said: Owari s1 was definitely the weakest imo as well. Tbh I'd just continue watching it as you are and then maybe revisit the season again after you've finish zoku.
Or just restart the whole series after lol that's what I ended up doing and I ended up liking the entire series even more. There's alot of details I didn't even see my 1st watch.(I'm guessing due to the excessive reading and thinking I was doing).
But ya up to you.
Have you not seen Nise? -_-
Ya I must of blocked it out, Nise is pretty cringe.
I mean I have a pretty good understanding of what happened in Owari. Its my favorite part of the series of my favorite anime and Sodachi's stories are my favorite of the series. If you have any direct questions about it I can help
Here's the rough outline of what happened in Owarimonogatari.
The first arc starts with Suruga introduces to Koyomi a new transfer student by the name of Ogi Oshino. The first time Ogi meets Koyomi, she tells him about a discrepancy in the room arrangement in their school, and they go to investigate. They find a classroom. The pattern in the anime in the classroom is a visual choice to signify the unnaturalness of the room. The clock in the room is supposedly stopped at a certain time.
The problem starts when they are seemingly locked inside. All his little vampiric strength couldn't open the door, and using desks didn't help, either. This led Ogi to the conclusion that this is a supernatural situation. Discussions on oddities lead to Ogi asking Koyomi if he remembers this classroom, and looking out through the windows, which show the outside scenery which couldn't be possible from the apparent position of the classroom and a textbook in Koyomi's desk, they figure out that this is the classroom which Koyomi and his class used when he was in his first year.
In the first year, he was in the same class as Hitagi. Tsubasa was in a different class then, and the class president was a girl by the name of Sodachi Oikura. Now Sodachi herself has some history with Koyomi, but we'll get back to that in later arcs. For now, Sodachi is a girl with an unexplained hatred towards Koyomi (This, I believe, was NisiOisiN playing with the childhood-friend-that-seems-tsundere trope, but there's no romance, there's only tragedy). But Sodachi was good at math, so before a math exam, she called a study group. Now this study group was not exclusively gifted students, but on average the still scored significantly above other students. Sodachi thought someone had leaked the paper during the study group, and called a class trial to find the culprit. She locked the door, and said that no one can leave the room until they solved who the culprit was.
The 'culprit' was the homeroom teacher, who taught math. She cleaned the board that the study group had worked on, and intentionally put the questions the study group discussed into the test. Higher scores for students reflect positively on the teacher.
To preside over the trial/meeting, she called up Koyomi. He was the only student who scored 100/100 in math, and he wasn't in the study group. And he wasn't suspicious, as he was then notorious for being a just guy who was great at math. In essence, pretty much no one suspected he'd be the one who leaked the test. But the class trial went horribly, as expected of high school students. They were just angry at Sodachi for making them stay after school hours. Remember, also in this meeting was the math teacher, who could have cleared up the matter, but didn't. After a disaster of shouting and blaming, Sodachi asked for a vote for who the culprit was. Pretty much everyone blamed Sodachi. With no proof. Even the math teacher who was the actual culprit. Note, Hitagi didn't vote Sodachi as the culprit.
This was a major point of change in Koyomi's personality. He was terrified at how the truth was established by majority, not by actual logical thought process. Even the culprit clearly blamed her by going with the majority. He adopted the stance of "I don't need such people as my friends. Establishment of truth by majority is the only and therefore the ugliest thing humanity has ever created. Having more friends will just reduce my value as a human, and make me a part of the majority who vie for comfort over truth." Koyomi figured the truth out and suppressed it. Sodachi also figured it out once she went home.
From that point, Sodachi never once came to the school. Until the moment the culprit-teacher was on maternity leave. Ogi Formula ends with Ogi and Koyomi finding this truth, and successfully opening the door, which was created from Koyomi's own regrets of not being able to do a better job at presiding over the trial. That guilt also created a trauma due to which he couldn't ever get full scores on math ever again. As it's been previously established, Koyomi is a proponent of his own (childish) justice to a degree more than his sisters. Any injustice that happens around him, he takes as his own fault.
Now that Sodachi is back in class, Koyomi goes to talk to her. The talk quickly changes tone, where Sodachi's isolation and terrible mental state is shown. In the novels, Koyomi remarks she is not too far from suicide, and Hitagi and Tsubasa notice this as well. But the talk turns to her saying that Koyomi is where he is only due to her help, and that she hates that he thinks he got here by himself. She reminds him of a letter he got in middle school, which he forgot about. Most likely, suppressing his own memories. But the fight quickly turns physical, and she attempts to stab Koyomi when he puts a hand on her shoulder to calm him down. The reason he didn't pull his hand back was that she would have stabbed herself if he'd done so.
Hitagi sees this, and after a quick fight, she knocks Sodachi out. Sodachi again stops coming to school. In the anime the class in shown to be empty, but in the novels, the class is filled with students, and this all was witnessed and heard by everyone.
With Ogi, Koyomi tries to remember what had happened in middle school, and remembers that he met Sodachi before. In middle school, she put an envelope in his locker, with the Monty-Hall Problem in it. This is where he started to get interested in math, and Sodachi taught him more math in what seemed to be an abandoned house.
Koyomi didn't know it, but this was Sodachi's own house, fallen into disrepair due to her abusive parents. Her request to not ask was a plea of help. Not the most effective, but Koyomi was known to be the kind of guy who won't let an injustice happen in front of him. Her hope was to have him notice her desperate state of affairs and get help from him, who were police officers. She didn't ask for direct help, but it's not unheard of for abuse victims to not ask direct help but be helped by someone else. And her mental health wasn't the best to begin with.
Koyomi failed to see the injustice, and Sodachi says that since he failed to help her, he is not a truly just person. He let an injustice happen when could have prevented it.
As it later turns out, Sodachi's parents were earlier suspected of child abuse, and there was an action to separate her from them. Until they find a suitable foster family for her, she was to stay with the Araragis, who had three children who can keep her company, and were both police officers so could keep her safe. But seeing an actual loving family with no quarreling, no shouting, no beating and happily living together creeped her out. She felt this was unreal, as the only family she had would have have shouting, beating, fighting, all that stuff. She ran away from Araragis' house, because she felt they weren't real. Also, she was a child back then, and not grown up in the healthiest evironment, so this thought process isn't that unexpected. And since she voluntarily went back to her parents, the police decided they can't do anything (?).
But soon after Koyomi failed to help her, her parents divorced, and she lived with her mother. Sodachi Riddle ends with this.
Sodachi Lost begins with Koyomi and Tsubasa going to talk with Sodachi. Ogi insists that she come along, but through carnal promises, Tsubasa wins the argument. Of course, Koyomi doesn't fall for it, instead his thought was "If you'd say something like that, it must be important that you come along." which was true. The entire talk with Sodachi needed someone to de-escalate situations, not create more fights. As it is, Koyomi heals her bruise (from Hitagi's punch), and she asks a favor from them: to find out what happened to her mother.
After divorce, Sodachi and her mother moved into a rather dirty house. Her mother was depressed, and had to rely to Sodachi for everything. But a middle-school student, especially someone like Sodachi, couldn't take care of her, and to Sodachi, her mother seemed to have "disappeared suddenly."
The truth was a bit grim. Ogi and Tsubasa both come to the conclusion, and tell Koyomi. Her mother died in her care, by starvation. Sodachi had mentioned that her mother had stopped taking her food. She had died two years ago, and her body had completely decayed. Sodachi had survived on the money from social welfare, and when her mother seemingly disappeared, she got a foster family and caught back up to her studies, and entered Naoetsu, notoriously hard to get into.
Her hatred of Koyomi is just her coping mechanism. She blames her so that she can remain sane, shirking responsibility for her misery on him. They point out that she herself is making no effort to be happy. Her point here is that she doesn't want to be happy, as her only contact with happiness was the day she was with Araragi's family and that crushed her. She believes happiness will crush her, as she is so unused to it. This leads to Koyomi giving a wow-thanks-im-cured kind of advice to Sodachi. It's not completely wrong, saying he accepts her blaming him for her misery, but she has to make an effort to improve her life.
The arc ends with government authorities checking in on Sodachi and deciding she is not fine living by herself, but has to move back to her foster family. The arcs ends with Sodachi leaving the town and giving Koyomi a letter. The contents of the letter were not made public.
The next arc is Shinobu Mail. It takes places earlier, when the link between Koyomi and Shinobu is severed by the Darkness. This takes place simultaneously as the Tsubasa Tiger arc, when it's mentioned that Koyomi is busy with something important, and has asked Suruga for help. It is Suruga because Izuko Gaen is her aunt, and she wanted to meet Suruga. They meet in the Eikou Cram School, where Tsubasa was sleeping the previous day. There they meet a suit of armor, which Suruga breaks, but couldn't do anything after it reassembles itself. This leads to Koyomi realizing that the armor is using energy drain, a vampiric power. Soon, the armor reveals that it's looking for the Heart Span and Kiss-shot, whom he calls master. Koyomi and Suruga are saved from this armor because of Tsubasa's tiger burning the building down.
From the fire, they're saved by Yotsugi, who tells them to go to Shirahebi Park (that park where he met Mayoi). But they soon find that they're unable to reach the destination, a property belonging to the Lost Cow. Note that this is chronologically after Mayoi's ghost has disappeared, so Koyomi is shocked. After Izuko denies him help, Suruga uses the walls to find the goal, as the Lost Cow only focuses on roads. In the park they find Shinobu. She says that she has been fighting an enemy, which later appears again. It's a rough mixture of many oddities, including the ones we've seen and fought. Like the Jagirinawa or the Weight Crab, or the Rainy Devil. Shinobu gives him the Heart Span, but he fails to win against it, so she beats it herself. She then points him to the swing where she was lying, which tells him to go to the shrine to meet Izuko.
After meeting Izuko, she tells that the suit of armor is Kiss-shot's first thrall. He was an Oddity Slayer named Seishiro Shishirui. The circumstances on how she met him and had to turn him were detailed in Shinobu Time. As it is, he threw himself into the sun and was supposedly killed. But as Koyomi also burned in the sun, but recovered, it was not possible for someone of that much power to die so simply. He kept constantly burning and recovering and burning again, for almost 400 years, after which he returned to this town in Japan - also the place he was originally from. Plus, the reason he was attracted because two powerful beings were here at that time: Yotsugi was 'created' and the Bird of Death was reincarnated as Tsukihi. This has actually been foreshadowed earlier. In the Mayoi Jiangshi arc, Shinobu uses the spiritual energy at the shrine to create a portal to the past, but later, finds that the shrine has enough energy to support a time travel to the future, which should not have been there. That is the result of oddities attracted by Seishiro, who still was ash but had great spiritual power. Kiss-shot herself was attracted to this town due to this attraction to her first thrall.
Shinobu is in denial that the armor is Seishiro. Then Suruga asks Koyomi to buy a bra for her and a BL book and something to eat, and as he is there, he decides to buy a MILF porn mag along with the BL. There he meets Seishiro, now with enough energy to take a human form, and he challenges Koyomi to a fight. If Seishiro wins, he is to leave Kiss-shot. Around this time, he gives Koyomi some Holy Water -it'd have killed him- and he is saved just in time by Episode, asked by Izuko to help. Episode and Izuko start to chase after Seishiro, but notice the dropped books - a BL and a MILF porn mag, and think it's them Koyomi is fantasizing about. Seishiro escapes.
Back at the shrine, Shinobu and Suruga are in a fight. Suruga is telling Shinobu to go talk to Seishiro, while she is hesitant, because she left him for dead for 400 years and created another thrall. Shinobu is afraid she'll be guilted into leaving Koyomi for Seishiro, and she wants to maintain their current relationship. Also, she tells that either way, Seishiro is bound to die: either from Koyomi or from Izuko and Episode, as he'll be a threat. There's an entire talk between them about their feelings, and Suruga manages to convince her to at least see Seishiro once.
The fight was initially planned using one wooden stick, but Shinobu throws her Heart Span, and the battle stakes are increased. Seishiro sheds his armor for speed - he is now a grown man - and grabs the Heart Span. But Koyomi uses a seal that Meme had given him back in Nadeko Snake, which pretty much destroys his body. After Koyomi wins, Shinobu appears and eats him, telling him that his goal of suicide has been successful. After this, Koyomi borrows the Heart Span and goes to save Tsubasa - which is shown in the ending of Tsubasa Tiger.
However, Seishiro's armor, which is a part of his body, was left behind. This armor is used by Izuko to craft the original Heart Span and Dream Span, which belonged to Seishiro.
She uses the Heart Span to kill Koyomi in Koyomi Dead.
That's pretty much it. If you want any more detailed explanation about something that's not clear, you can ask specifically.
