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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Wow, Satoko actually cut her own neck with that knife. Chills. It's pretty surreal how this episode detailed Satoko's fight against her personal demons and confrontation with a goddess entity. It's also rather disgusting how the military treats civilians. Those bodies piled a top one of another is nothing short of chilling since some of Keiichi's friends are among them. This episode is creepy imo. |
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| If Rika can repeat her timeloops, why not Satoko (for as many times as she needs to reach her ideal outcome)? This is a question I find myself asking a lot to spur down the rabbit hole of the relationship between the two. Satoko IS SO BROKEN to the point of cusp, of reminding Rika to "recapture" their happy times and not leave Hinamizawa for good to keep the unbroken friendship alive. Even to great lengths to retain Rika and stop her "dream" pursuit to attend St. Lucia by hook or by crook, I feel EVERY inch of Satoko's desperation. The dots connecting with the post-treatment of previous arcs' fragmented flashbacks concerning Rika (especially Nekodamashi-hen of the subtle reference), this REALLY is Satokowashi-hen, and a perfect example of the oppressed becoming the obsessed. Covering all tracks to break someone's will in the most dastardly way, it's Satoko vs. Rika for the "love". Only 2 episodes to go...how will this arc end in the most dramatic way possible? |
KANLen09Mar 4, 2021 11:39 AM
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| The first loop had failed, Satoko is now back in the world of pieces to do another repetition, idk how long this repetition will. After all I like that chandelier scene. After all, Satoko repeats the timeline, but Rika wants to go to St.Lucia and can't be avoided. Maybe this episode seems dark because Satoko doesn't trust Rika anymore. Blood splattered and the fact that the condition for restarting is "death", I like the scene of Satoko getting hit by a truck.... Satoko tries to convince Rika not to leave Hinamizawa, such as taking her to go up a hill to see Hinamizawa village. The third loop Satoko cut her neck this knife, the fourth loop starts with school and Satoko totally commits suicide, lol. So this is a dream of 100 years vs a dream of love for Rika, hhhmm ... Their fifth loop began with a fight, and yeah they fell. Miko girl seems to really enjoy this Satoko show. So that Miko girl turned evil and Satoko was shown 100 years ago through Rika's memory. Satoko was surprised to see Keiichi kills Rena and Mion. Since the loop confrontation is a fateful battle ... Does Satoko have to have a fateful power comparable to Rika's 100 years? So this is Satoko-chan's 100 year loop, oh my god I missed something. Seeing the Higurashi ending from multiple routes, xD. It was a rule that if Rika-chan died first and Satoko-chan died later, both could loop the same piece. So this is a journey to change Rika, hahaha daisuki Really like ending dialogue, Because I love you Rika-chan ... I won't stop the loop until I crush Rika-chan's heart and break it! Still Satoko Hen |
| Man I am absolutely loving this arc! Definitely my favourite of any season of Higu. The umineko Easter eggs and connections have been great too. Satoko really has had enough. She’s snapped, loved seeing her attack Rika for her lies today lol. Now that Rika will know Satoko is looping too I can’t wait to see who breaks first. These last two episodes are going to be amazing. Hopefully there will be more after too. |
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| Satoko has gone full insane, she doesn't have a shread of sanity left. All she can think of is how to live in Hinamizawa with Rika. I guess not everyone can handle the power of looping. Now she wants Rika to remember the loops too, the irony lol. |
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Phalaenopsisca said: IM SO SPEECHLESS! Satoko is SO STRONG~ i cant see this HiguGou has HAPPY ENDING at all now. she even gave up about her nii-nii... DAMMIT. is it really the birth of new witch? the last phrases Satoko utters though... LambdaBern FTW! Did someone said BIRTH OF A NEW WITCH? *insert aggressive hip-hop beats* |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
| Damn Satoko broke. I still feel sorry for her, considering what basically happened. Though dunno if I'll feel the same once this is all over. Going to be two action filled impactful final two episodes. |
| Holy fucking shit satoko. She's so fucking scary. Have no fear. Have no hesitation. Have no mercy. She think that her love to rika even greater than rika to her... This is insane man. Love this episode 5/5 |
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| What a little shit. |
| This is indeed one of the top arcs in any Higurashi. Satoko's so deep in her madness that not even watching Rika's suffering through the countless shards made her change her mind. I'd argue this is better than the last arcs of the original series, only one of which I really felt to be necessary. I do wonder how people see this if this is their first introduction to the franchise, since the events revolving around the Hinamizawa syndrome haven't been properly explained. I guess the writers wanted to leave the viewers the possibility to go back and watch the original series for some answers after this. But then was it really necessary to have the arcs that followed so closely the original? |
| "I want Gou to end so bad" ~ the duality in these words lol. I mean, all this to have a happy lucky dochy ending is literally to bury it in the dumping grounds. It's already there, just need to throw more trash over it and it's done. I still hold my stance that Higurashi didn't need a sequel in the first place. I guess Satoko has reached the irredeemable character point by now. |
| Feels kinda pointless. Ep 22 came by quickly. Any chance of Rika and Satoko reconciling is gone now. It looks like this will end with one or both of them killing each other. Satoko was already emotionally fragile it makes sense for her to buckle and break completely under the stress of looping. Dont know about Season 2 or Sotsu, but this probably wont be a happy end for Rika. Either she gets killed or broken by Satoko or she kills her. I wonder both Umineko and Higurashi had their lessons. Whats Gou's? 'You cant defeat fate? Dont even try to change your future.' Or 'If youre a looper. Get rid if your friends before they start looping and killing.' |
ChargecoulombMar 4, 2021 9:40 AM
| Y'all this is so fucking stupid. If this is like a Lambda v Bern: Dawn of Witches type of Umineko prequel then that's one thing but the level of character assassination they're pulling on Satoko is insane. I'll finish this since it's almost over but I'm all checked out. As far as I'm concerned the story ended with Matsuribayashi-hen. |
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Phalaenopsisca said: wait a minute, doesnt that mean, it's not hanyuu who grants Rika her memory in this Gou's loops? so the last time we saw Hanyuu giving it, it's not really hanyuu but it's the Deity?? so rika got trolled hard just because the observer need entertainment? My thoughts exactly. I'm confused, even if I've read the VN, but I haven't read Umineko yet. |
Valandis said: Phalaenopsisca said: wait a minute, doesnt that mean, it's not hanyuu who grants Rika her memory in this Gou's loops? so the last time we saw Hanyuu giving it, it's not really hanyuu but it's the Deity?? so rika got trolled hard just because the observer need entertainment? My thoughts exactly. I'm confused, even if I've read the VN, but I haven't read Umineko yet. Pretty much. Remember in Matsu hanyuu could only take Rika a few weeks back because she was approaching the limits of her power. Featherine could have created a copy Rika for alk we know. Featherine is the one controlling the loops , so she can control Rikas memory as well. Honestly theres not much she cant do. |
| To me, this just makes Satoko less sympathetic. She literally learned everything about Rika's 100 year struggle to get out of her terrible fate, and yet Satoko's takeaway is still "Rika doesn't care about me or Hinamizawa." That is so stupid and selfish. (The amount of agency Satoko has regarding the looping process and the rules themselves also make her extremely unsympathetic compared to Rika's loops) |
Keirik said: Y'all this is so fucking stupid. If this is like a Lambda v Bern: Dawn of Witches type of Umineko prequel then that's one thing but the level of character assassination they're pulling on Satoko is insane. I'll finish this since it's almost over but I'm all checked out. As far as I'm concerned the story ended with Matsuribayashi-hen. Even when I watched the OG Higurashi there was a cynical sadistic side of Satoko that was hinted at but never explored. That's why I quite like what they decided to do. I just have a small issue with Rika here |
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Gar_Logan said: To me, this just makes Satoko less sympathetic. She literally learned everything about Rika's 100 year struggle to get out of her terrible fate, and yet Satoko's takeaway is still "Rika doesn't care about me or Hinamizawa." That is so stupid and selfish. (The amount of agency Satoko has regarding the looping process and the rules themselves also make her extremely unsympathetic compared to Rika's loops) It's so weird. Gou Satoko is like a completely different character, and not a good one. |
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Keirik said: Gar_Logan said: To me, this just makes Satoko less sympathetic. She literally learned everything about Rika's 100 year struggle to get out of her terrible fate, and yet Satoko's takeaway is still "Rika doesn't care about me or Hinamizawa." That is so stupid and selfish. (The amount of agency Satoko has regarding the looping process and the rules themselves also make her extremely unsympathetic compared to Rika's loops) It's so weird. Gou Satoko is like a completely different character, and not a good one. I can (well, kind of) understand Satoko's feelings of betrayal, as well as her loops even in this episode. She thinks she is just resetting the stage to try and stop her friend from leaving her. It's still super selfish and manipulative, but it was done with ignorance to the events of the OG higurashi series. It's baffling to me how AFTER getting that knowledge (and literally seeing all the loops play out) Satoko would come to the conclusion that she just has to mentally break Rika /AGAIN/. |
| Also, it's interesting how little Satoshi matters to Satoko after all. |
| At least the name is accurate. They destroyed Satoko. Shes not L3 or L5 she fully insane. Rika should just kill her and put her out of her misery. |
Gar_Logan said: Also, it's interesting how little Satoshi matters to Satoko after all. Same girl who took her Uncles Abuse to protect her brothers stuff. I dont get it. She should be blaming Rika for Satoshis condition. Instead she just lets him go. |
| The fact that she saw literally all of Rika's fragments and suffering and didn't question her little shitty mind in the slightest is mindblowing. I can't even look at all those "friendship" and bonds moments in original the same again. Everything just feels plain and cheap. |
| "Hey Rika, do you want to go to school where you would fit right in or stay in the village with your mentally unstable and toxic friend?" Those fingersnaps are so freaking cringe. This wasnt a thing in the OG so why the hell are they use so much here? If you tell me that they think their viewers are idiots and cant tell when a loop starts then I will believe you. Satoko is 100% a witch now, being able to conjure guns, knives, and control and possibly even build traps without touching them. "You are so stubborn Rika" Said the crazy chick that commits suicide at the slightest inconvenience in her new timelines. Also, can we take a minute to think about the Rika and the rest in those discarded worlds that see Satoko kill herself for seemingly(but also literally) no reason, and having to live with that? And boy, Featherine must be really REALLY bored if she finds those loops, where the same shit happens but with a different method of suicide, interesting. Guess I will go with what Ryuukishi said and accept that this is a lookalike. And yes Satoko that's the spirit. You "best friend" endured 100 years of torture in order to be released from that hell and you want to bring her back in it because you cant handle studying. Previously I joked about Teppei being a secret hero but if he returns and beats the shit out of her I wont feel bad. It will be cathartic. And I guess we were wrong about this being the birth of Bernkastel. Now it is clear its Lambdadelta's. Zettai . Remember when Higurashi was about the bonds of friendship and how they can overcome everything? Remember Dear You? Well as Gou shows, no sacrifice is big enough if you gotta print money. EDIT: Diavolo is Satoko in the first loop. Poor guy. EDIT 2:I forgot Satoshi but at this point not even Satoko cares so....poor guy. |
ssjokgMar 4, 2021 10:01 AM
| I still dont think that Satoko becomes Lambda. Oh boy. So Satoko became Lamba then gave Takano her certainty. I mean we know that Meta time isnt linear but come on Ryuukishi. This opens up several magnitude sized cans of worms in regards to other things going on in the Meta World. If time is really this un clear in the Meta world.... Somehow dampens up Umineko |
ChargecoulombMar 4, 2021 10:00 AM
| Jeez, You'd think after watching around 100+ years of suffering Satoko would think ''Hm maybe I should just split ways with her, and send occasional letters every so often to her, after all, she had gone through so much" but no Let's completely mind fuck her till stays in a place that she tried so hard to get out of. I honestly keep losing respect for Satoko more and more |
| Lets take a minute to pay respects to the song that used to have meaning in this series full of tragedy. |
| OK, seriously, fuck you, Satoko. If you're so willing to loop for a hundred years to break Rika, you could've looped a fraction of that to study and easily graduate. I have zero sympathies left for that psychopath. R07 gotta explain that change in her personality. If this was just how Satoko would naturally develop under those circumstances, then the original Higurashi doesn't mean shit. I really hope an explanation is coming. |
astroprogs said: OK, seriously, fuck you, Satoko. If you're so willing to loop for a hundred years to break Rika, you could've looped a fraction of that to study and easily graduate. Not to mention that after a few loops it should be easy to know how to act to blend in at the school. Not to mention that high school is THREE YEARS, but yet Satoko is willing to rewatch 100 years of loops to stop that small period of time from happening. There really isn't justification for it the more you think about it. |
| Well this answers a bunch of questions I had. I'm enjoying this a it's own story in itself, like it's a different branch of fragements. After all, each fragment technically has it's own version of a character it feels like (could be wrong but I feel like this is the case), so this feels like a facet of a character we knew, a branch off maybe of Satoko. |
| Lets just be happy that the other ending Miotsukushi has things that would make Gou near impossible to happen in that world. Satoko has character growth. She realised how simmilar she is to Takano. How she could have become just like her if it wasnt for her friends. Miotsukushi Satoko would make fun of Matsuri-Gou Satoko. |
| Well this is feeling more and more like a prelude to Bern vs Lambda. I'm fine with that, but it is kinda hard to sympathize with Satoko's side of it when her reaction to finding out the truth behind Rika's looping is just to keep going and "break her" |
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| Unless I'm misunderstanding the fragments, there ARE then like five or so versions of Rika that did get to leave Hinamizawa and live out her dream, right? Satoko kills herself, Rika grieves, and then she goes to St. Lucia in those earlier fragments right? Or in this case is that God-character just literally looping Satoko back in time, and it isn't a different fragment?... |
| damn this is garbage. I was on the fence about Gou so far, not counting the first cour the second was interesting atleast, but now. Nah. Screw this. The one thing I absolutely cant stand in stories is this "OH so one character went through great struggle? Lets jUsT dO tHe SaMe" it completely invalidates big parts of the story. The entirety of Higurashi, Rikas struggle against her fate, only for a few minutes in Gou? Only so Satoko can live through it all as well? And after she finally sees the situation from Rikas POV her conclusion is to kill her endlessly? wtf? Satoko is really a completely different character in Gou. She just got info bombed about Rikas entire existence basically, does she even know about Hanyuu now? Whereever she went.. There is also no substance to her drastic character change. Where Rika struggled with keeping up the fight from all the failures and getting back her will from small victories and new information we basically get a montage and Satoko is supposed to be completely evil now? If they wanted to go this way they shouldnt have wasted so much time on the first cour so atleast this character developement wouldnt be rushed. Unless Satoko somehow regained the Hinamizawa syndrome this cant even be a result of that, which would atleast be consistent. Not to mention the club, Keiichi, Rena, Mion, Shion are all completely irrelevant now. This is basically melodramatic power escalation from shitty shounens. GoT S8 wants its writers back. Up till now Rika probably did not loop again because Satoko was sent back directly, which goes against the original spirit of Higurashi where the non loopers atleast have the chance to feel something is off. But now it seems like Satokos loop got basically linked to Rikas, so this is all basically a flashback for the confrontation between Rika and Satoko in Ep 19(or was it 18) Idk where the sword went but Riko got the shard, its pretty obvious in which direction this goes now that Satoko is basically beyond saving. Let this just end with Rika clubbing Satoko with a chair like in Rei and be done with it. PS: Gotta respect Satokos procastination powers though. Watch 100 years of history, sure. Study for 3 years, naaaaaaah. |
Comander-07Mar 4, 2021 10:18 AM
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| No justification for being this evil or stupid. 2 for the price of one. If R07's plan was to destroy her character then this is his best work. But I doubt a writer wakes up one day and thinks "Know what would be a great idea? What if I made everyone to absolutely hate this character?" Cant wait for the bullshit ending where everyone move on from the hate. It is still...probably... 50/50 whether this will have a good or bad ending but if it is a happy ending then nothing really matters in the world of WTC. |
ssjokgMar 4, 2021 10:21 AM
Gar_Logan said: Unless I'm misunderstanding the fragments, there ARE then like five or so versions of Rika that did get to leave Hinamizawa and live out her dream, right? Satoko kills herself, Rika grieves, and then she goes to St. Lucia in those earlier fragments right? Or in this case is that God-character just literally looping Satoko back in time, and it isn't a different fragment?... I feel like you're correct here that there are like, different versions of Rika that do leave Hinamizawa. That's what it sounds like in this episode that there are different versions of Rika. So I guess that means there's different versions of everyone else too? |
crowbutts said: Gar_Logan said: Unless I'm misunderstanding the fragments, there ARE then like five or so versions of Rika that did get to leave Hinamizawa and live out her dream, right? Satoko kills herself, Rika grieves, and then she goes to St. Lucia in those earlier fragments right? Or in this case is that God-character just literally looping Satoko back in time, and it isn't a different fragment?... I feel like you're correct here that there are like, different versions of Rika that do leave Hinamizawa. That's what it sounds like in this episode that there are different versions of Rika. So I guess that means there's different versions of everyone else too? One (plot hole? dark side? random thing?) about Higurashi if I think about it too hard is that, since "looping" just means going to a different fragment starting from a set date (no idea why that is possible but going back in time itself isn't). So this means that there are literally 1000s of "worlds" where everyone just died or there was the GHD, and only this ONE "Rika" eventually made it out. (You could even argue that she "killed" her own self in the new world by looping her accumulated consciousness into it). Kind of overthinking it though. |
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