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Apr 26, 2020 7:24 AM
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One page in chapter 1 includes a line which says something you'd read from other fictional works, "This story is a work of fiction. All characters, organizations, etc. that appear are purely fictitious."
But seriously, is this a work of fiction?
First page of the manga even says, "This is not a work of fiction. They are, in fact, events of a real incident."
Aaaaaaa
Akidearest was right. Even after reading, you wouldn't know what to believe.
After reading the first line, I thought, "Oh so this is based on true events."
After reading that line in chapter 1, I thought, "So, it's not true after all? Hmmm."
As I was reading the last chapter, I thought, "Ah, I hope this is true after all..."

Considering the narrative is told from the POV of an (or possibly the) author and how the last chapter made reference to other actual novels of the author, I think it wouldn't be a bad thing to wish for this story to be true, or at least based on true events the author went through.
Of course, I know that these things and that saying "This is not a work of fiction" in a work of fiction doesn't guarantee at all that this story is true.

So what do you think?
Or maybe if you have read the novel, or if you have read the author's other works as well, do you know if this is a work of fiction or not?

In any case, this sort of technique, whatever you call it, is really nice :>
I loved it.
leptosomeApr 26, 2020 7:28 AM
May 21, 2020 12:49 AM
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leptosome said:
One page in chapter 1 includes a line which says something you'd read from other fictional works, "This story is a work of fiction. All characters, organizations, etc. that appear are purely fictitious."
But seriously, is this a work of fiction?
First page of the manga even says, "This is not a work of fiction. They are, in fact, events of a real incident."
Aaaaaaa
Akidearest was right. Even after reading, you wouldn't know what to believe.
After reading the first line, I thought, "Oh so this is based on true events."
After reading that line in chapter 1, I thought, "So, it's not true after all? Hmmm."
As I was reading the last chapter, I thought, "Ah, I hope this is true after all..."

Considering the narrative is told from the POV of an (or possibly the) author and how the last chapter made reference to other actual novels of the author, I think it wouldn't be a bad thing to wish for this story to be true, or at least based on true events the author went through.
Of course, I know that these things and that saying "This is not a work of fiction" in a work of fiction doesn't guarantee at all that this story is true.

So what do you think?
Or maybe if you have read the novel, or if you have read the author's other works as well, do you know if this is a work of fiction or not?

In any case, this sort of technique, whatever you call it, is really nice :>
I loved it.


I’m absolutely certain that the general outline of the story is real events that happened to Nisio Isin. Why? Because it would explain the origin of many details and common narrative threads you can find in his writing. Just on a very surface level you have “a girl attacks the MC and destroys his bike,” “a little girl is killed by a truck,” and “the MC shares a dramatic moment with a loli in a bath” (these are all in Monogatari). And then there are more abstract themes of “the MC is a broken person that helps even more broken girls,” “a girl is a victim of parental abuse,” “the characters are rich but it has nothing to do with their psychological problems,” “the MC is familiar with judo,” etc.

There are really only two explanations for all of these things being in Shoujo Fujuubun at once:
1) It happened to Nisio in real life and affected him so deeply, he keeps bringing it up in his writing.
2) Nisio is such a 500IQ genius that he consciously made a fictional story the subtext of which retroactively matches everything he ever wrote in his career in order to deliberately make it look like case 1.
Just take an Occam’s razor to that.
May 26, 2020 6:28 AM
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AstralBread said:
leptosome said:
One page in chapter 1 includes a line which says something you'd read from other fictional works, "This story is a work of fiction. All characters, organizations, etc. that appear are purely fictitious."
But seriously, is this a work of fiction?
First page of the manga even says, "This is not a work of fiction. They are, in fact, events of a real incident."
Aaaaaaa
Akidearest was right. Even after reading, you wouldn't know what to believe.
After reading the first line, I thought, "Oh so this is based on true events."
After reading that line in chapter 1, I thought, "So, it's not true after all? Hmmm."
As I was reading the last chapter, I thought, "Ah, I hope this is true after all..."

Considering the narrative is told from the POV of an (or possibly the) author and how the last chapter made reference to other actual novels of the author, I think it wouldn't be a bad thing to wish for this story to be true, or at least based on true events the author went through.
Of course, I know that these things and that saying "This is not a work of fiction" in a work of fiction doesn't guarantee at all that this story is true.

So what do you think?
Or maybe if you have read the novel, or if you have read the author's other works as well, do you know if this is a work of fiction or not?

In any case, this sort of technique, whatever you call it, is really nice :>
I loved it.


I’m absolutely certain that the general outline of the story is real events that happened to Nisio Isin. Why? Because it would explain the origin of many details and common narrative threads you can find in his writing. Just on a very surface level you have “a girl attacks the MC and destroys his bike,” “a little girl is killed by a truck,” and “the MC shares a dramatic moment with a loli in a bath” (these are all in Monogatari). And then there are more abstract themes of “the MC is a broken person that helps even more broken girls,” “a girl is a victim of parental abuse,” “the characters are rich but it has nothing to do with their psychological problems,” “the MC is familiar with judo,” etc.

There are really only two explanations for all of these things being in Shoujo Fujuubun at once:
1) It happened to Nisio in real life and affected him so deeply, he keeps bringing it up in his writing.
2) Nisio is such a 500IQ genius that he consciously made a fictional story the subtext of which retroactively matches everything he ever wrote in his career in order to deliberately make it look like case 1.
Just take an Occam’s razor to that.


I'm not sure if I got that right...

So are you saying this whole story is an entire event in his life? That there exists this girl with that twisted upbringing, that she kidnapped Nisio Isin, that he got to know what's behind the girl's behavior... And that in the end he told her those stories? That all this happened as a whole?

Or are saying that this story was made from various little events (which are not necessarily connected to each other) in the his life?

tldr. Are you saying that this whole event happened to Nisio Isin as a whole? Or that it's a compilation of his anecdotes turned into a story?
May 26, 2020 10:25 AM
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leptosome said:
AstralBread said:


I’m absolutely certain that the general outline of the story is real events that happened to Nisio Isin. Why? Because it would explain the origin of many details and common narrative threads you can find in his writing. Just on a very surface level you have “a girl attacks the MC and destroys his bike,” “a little girl is killed by a truck,” and “the MC shares a dramatic moment with a loli in a bath” (these are all in Monogatari). And then there are more abstract themes of “the MC is a broken person that helps even more broken girls,” “a girl is a victim of parental abuse,” “the characters are rich but it has nothing to do with their psychological problems,” “the MC is familiar with judo,” etc.

There are really only two explanations for all of these things being in Shoujo Fujuubun at once:
1) It happened to Nisio in real life and affected him so deeply, he keeps bringing it up in his writing.
2) Nisio is such a 500IQ genius that he consciously made a fictional story the subtext of which retroactively matches everything he ever wrote in his career in order to deliberately make it look like case 1.
Just take an Occam’s razor to that.


I'm not sure if I got that right...

So are you saying this whole story is an entire event in his life? That there exists this girl with that twisted upbringing, that she kidnapped Nisio Isin, that he got to know what's behind the girl's behavior... And that in the end he told her those stories? That all this happened as a whole?

Or are saying that this story was made from various little events (which are not necessarily connected to each other) in the his life?

tldr. Are you saying that this whole event happened to Nisio Isin as a whole? Or that it's a compilation of his anecdotes turned into a story?



Yeah, as a whole. It obviously could be fictionalized to make for a better book, like the entire 10 years later ending could be fictional. But the basic outline of the story - the girl, the kidnapping, and the parents - must’ve happened.
Sep 29, 2020 10:50 AM
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I'm sorry but I am just not buying it. Too conspirological for me, this is just a story- nothing more, nothing less.

All his cliches (parental abuse, broken girl/broken boy etc) are easily explained- that's simply how he writes and what he writes about. Don't get me wrong, it COULD have happened and I am a huge fan of Nisio-sensei, but... nah. Too stretched out with 0 proof it ever happened.
Dec 18, 2020 7:57 PM
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I think... I sort of sense where the story was pulled from. If I recall some of the weirdness that I have seen and experienced in my life, this story in general is quite plausible. However, it seems to follow a somewhat convenient list of writing points. Of course you could say that perhaps its the authors method of writing in general, even if illustrating actual memories.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to the ability of telling a story that defines a meaningful part of you. As an example, I only write "the weirdness I've experienced" above since I am rather reluctant to sharing any of them publicly even if I could frame it within an excellent novel or manga. But that is just me. There are people who write autobiographies.

This particular story involves two participants. It doesn't lean towards an autobiographic take, nor would such an author (in the story) publish this without having to constantly worry about the feelings of the 'other' participant even if they agreed to it. This leads me to believe that this is not a real story, but it has a taste of how the real author sees things in their mind's eye, awake or asleep.

--- ... the choice of it not being real is purely based on my conviction not to reveal my own meaningful experiences. More so if its a shared experience.
--- ... reading the title again, it doesn't actually seem to fit the story, looks more like an eye-catcher :b
Fade_Dec 18, 2020 8:16 PM
Nov 7, 2021 8:11 PM
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That's the character's narration in his novel of his experience that he finishes writing in the end. Not NisiOisiN's.
waalex11Nov 8, 2021 10:14 PM
May 23, 2022 9:14 AM
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There are two possibilities:

1. This is all true and it affected him as a person so much that he was able to overcome that wall.
2. Nisio Isin is 10000 IQ genius who somehow managed to connect this manga with every single one of his works and created this masterpiece known as Imperfect girl.

Whichever may be the case, one thing is for sure and that is the fact that Nisio Isin is a genius.
Jun 8, 2022 11:06 PM
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Considering how outlandish the story is, and how he emphasizes that novelists are liars of sorts, especially himself, I think it's fair to conclude that none of the concrete events of the manga are true.

Rather, it is a fanciful way to express his feelings about his works and himself as a storyteller. Basically just using a shorter and more dramatic storyline to summarize his transformation as an author.

Since he likes telling stories about morally ambiguous people who manage to have some form of happiness, you could see "Imperfect Girl" as a manifestation of his writing interacting with him to tell the story of his authorial journey & inner conflict.

Or maybe Nisio Isin was kidnapped by a grade schooler lol
ponpokorinJun 8, 2022 11:14 PM

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