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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- nDroae said: But isn't this The Franchise That Never Gives You What You Want? As was obviously the case with OVA 4, the anime is intended not for fans of OVAs 1 and 2, but for readers of Masaki Kajishima's Tenchi novels, none of which I've read, and many of which have not even been published in English. Those readers in Japan must have bought enough copies of OVA 4 to make it profitable, or how else could production on this OVA 5 be greenlit? It seems that, as a western fan, your lack of interest and enjoyment, lack of desire to support the series, and wish for it to no longer be made could not be any less relevant to the people producing this series. Go ahead and howl into the wind if you like. Could they turn a much bigger profit if - brace yourself, this is a truly jaw-dropping idea - they actually made some kind of fun adventure, a show that old fans would enjoy, which could also bring new fans in? Uh, maybe? But that's not happening. Also it costs a lot more money if 90% of the runtime isn't still shots of people talking to each other. When this series was announced, I saw posts by novel readers speculating that the child on the poster was Tenchi's son, and I was excited for that. Let there be no adventure, let it be mostly comprised of still shots of conversations; even then, the setting showing future Tenchi raising his family is something I very much want to see. Unfortunately, it turns out it's not set that far in the future, and the child is actually young Kenshi. And so far, it's continuing to primarily focus on serving as a prequel to Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari / War on Geminar. That show may be the highest rated Tenchi multiverse series on MAL, but I've never been a fan of it, and I don't think even its fans have much interest in these conversations. In keeping with my general snowflake tendency to rate against the grain, I liked the lower-rated entries Ai Tenchi Muyo and Tenchi Muyo GXP. As a fan of the latter I'm very glad to see Kiriko here, following her wedding to Seina, and thinking about starting a family with him. If I can't get Tenchi's family, maybe I can at least see theirs? That would be great. I hope Seina's other wives show up too. This series is available on Crunchyroll in "North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Oceania, and the Middle East," and in the USA on VRV. It's the only Tenchi series they have following their split with Funimation, and it's labeled merely as "Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki," which is assuredly leading newcomers to watch it thinking it's the first OVA. VRV even has this first episode listed under "Season 1." https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2020/03/07-1/tenchi-muyo-ryo-ohki-season-5-launches-on-crunchyroll |
| Here's a timetable for the episode release dates, assuming they have the same one-week delay to CR as this did, and also assuming production doesn't get delayed by coronavirus like many other shows have been and will be. Episode 1 Japan: February 28, 2020 Crunchyroll: March 6 Episode 2 Japan: May 29, 2020 Crunchyroll: June 5 Episode 3 Japan: August 28, 2020 Crunchyroll: September 4 Episode 4 Japan: November 27, 2020 Crunchyroll: December 4 Episode 5 Japan: February 26, 2021 Crunchyroll: March 5 Episode 6 Japan: May 28, 2021 Crunchyroll: June 4 @Harsha018 That would be cool. I'd assume every Masaki child born on earth has to do combat training at the shrine, like Tenchi did. At least Kajishima was given approval for six episodes this time, rather than four like last time, that's a bigger investment even if it's still mostly still shots. "Things are lookin' up!" :P I still haven't gone on UselessTenchi yet, to see what the novel readers are saying about what to expect from this fifth series' story. I forgot to mention, I'm relieved the new character turned out almost nothing like I had expected based on her art. When the first poster came out, I thought she'd be some kind of formidable space-grandma, potentially annoying to deal with. https://myanimelist.net/news/57957393 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-07-12/tenchi-muyo-ryo-ohki-ova-series-gets-5th-season/.148941 Instead she's comic relief material, so far anyway. Crunchyroll subs call her Jobia, while news leading up to release romanized her name as Jovia Jovis. https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2019/10/08/its-time-to-meet-that-mysterious-lady-from-the-new-tenchi-muyo https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-10-08/5th-tenchi-muyo-ova-season-reveals-more-cast-ending-song-artist-winter-2020-debut/.152003 Commenters really went to town slamming her ugly design. I think she looks a lot better in simplified form in the anime - though it's still not a pleasant costume to look at, at least her face and hair in the show look relatively fine to me. |
| Okay, I'm deciding to watch this even though it's probably going to have a ton of new characters and old new characters I don't remember. I actually was looking forward to it despite keeping my expectations in check. "Liveblogging" below. It's Kenshi from Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari/War on Geminar. Baby Kenshi is cute. I remember Kenshi's mom but thought her name was Noike, it's Rea, Noike was a different character with similar hair.. Yes, I know I'm a bad fan. I like the op. Seeing everyone is great and I do think Tenchi having a little brother now might be fun. A scene of characters talking around tea, a common reason the latest few seasons have been disliked. I give myself a pat on the back for remembering Tennyo after her name was said, yes I'm still a bad fan, but one could also say this is what happens when there's so much time between releases too. The conversation is about Tenchi's mom not a character from GXP so maybe that'll help people who hated these conversations. Tenchi's mom sounds OTT. The flashbacks are helping me remember what happened previously, but it might be annoying if I tried to marathon all the OVAs. Almost halfway through and here comes some of the original core cast. Washu and baby Kenshi. đź’— We have more grown Kenshi showing some time has passed, and yet more conversations. Why not show some flashbacks of Nobuyuki and Kiyone's romance rather than talking about it? Show not tell right? Here's Tenchi and yet more conversations and yep about GXP characters. Kenshi and the sea monster scene was cute. Overall the idea that newer Tenchi OVAs are too talky with not enough focus on old characters people remember seems to be accurate here, at least with this episode, but I'm still curious how it will go so I'll keep watching. Hope something more happens next episode. |
prepare4troubleMar 11, 2020 1:05 PM
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| Yeah, and I'm sure the book readers would enjoy having the references animated as flashbacks rather than just talked about. Apparently some of the characters had an isekai adventure of their own (not on Geminar), which is mentioned in the second half's conversation. Even a few stills illustrating that would have been better than nothing. |
| This was AWFUL. A very brief, very cheap OVA. Gee, author guy, I wonder why you can't get this funded? Could it be because nobody watched/cared about GXP or Geminar? Hmmmmmm. YES. So we get more annihilatingly boring tea conversations. Some chick wants to start a family, the most annoying baby in the universe, Tenchi's step-mom's family, is the focus of this episode, for no reason at all. The humor of the author is still intact, but dramatically pointless. Honestly I wonder about the mind space of the guy who would write/produce/direct this trash. And it is trash. He knows everyone just wants closure for the Tenchi Universe. If he could do that WHILE introducing new characters I'd be all for it. The OVA's before this have seen a sheer decrease in quality of storywriting and entertainment since the first two OVA's. OVA 3 had horrendous face gestures (which shows up here for just a bit, annoyingly). OVA 4 was a space orgy, so that made it interesting. And OVA 5 is the complete obliteration of the universe. Author is still trying to fund anime for spinoffs of spinoffs, writing tea conversations between women about fuck all. It's VERY sad at this point. I won't hear the annoying BITCHING going on in this thread. NOBODY CARES. Why do you write IF, if you don't want to animate it? Jesus fucking Christ. Get a life. We could: 1. make money, 2. pull in new fans, 3. restart a successful franchise. Instead, let's: 1. disappoint EVERYONE, 2. Make EVERYONE sad, 3. BORE everyone to TEARS. Yipes. I know, rant and all that, soap box, I'll still probably watch this out of desperation, I would really appreciate if he could close up the first harem before starting numerous others though. There's actually a really ingenious way to do this. 1. Animate IF. --Now you're set, do what you want! Stories about other parallel universes with adventures, continuing upon the premises of IF. PERFECT! I'll tell you what people are not into, a fucking continuation of Tenchi's dad's new wife and baby. That's not working. But if you want to write that, you perfectly COULD. Something about Japanese stubbornness, I'm sure. This is the old way. |
DarkInsomnia57 said: I won't hear the annoying BITCHING going on in this thread. NOBODY CARES. (...) We could: 1. make money, 2. pull in new fans, 3. restart a successful franchise. nDroae said: Could they turn a much bigger profit if - brace yourself, this is a truly jaw-dropping idea - they actually made some kind of fun adventure, a show that old fans would enjoy, which could also bring new fans in? Uh, maybe? But that's not happening. Seems to me like everyone here so far has been basically saying the same thing, except you're more frustrated :) DarkInsomnia57 said: Could it be because nobody watched/cared about GXP or Geminar? Hmmmmmm. YES. I won't deny I'm in the minority as a GXP fan; actually just last year Funimation allowed their license on it to expire, because it wasn't even worth it to them to pay to renew it, so I picked up a cheap set of S.A.V.E. DVDs. However, it's clearly incorrect, even with intended exaggeration, to say that "nobody watched/cared about" Geminar. I believe that Geminar's high viewer counts and ratings on anime sites are due to younger users overwhelming the vote, while many older fans don't use the sites at all; regardless, the numbers strongly suggest that Geminar is popular and well-liked, both internationally and in Japan. In fact, I suspect there might be more potential profit to be made in a quality Geminar sequel than any possible Tenchi Muyo anime at this point, because of its popularity outside the preexisting Tenchi fanbase. Tenchi Muyo OVA 1: https://myanimelist.net/anime/539/Tenchi_Muyou_Ryououki/stats Completed by 25,783, listed by 37,359 https://www.anikore.jp/anime/2871/ Overall score 68.7, listed by 656 Tenchi Universe: https://myanimelist.net/anime/696/Tenchi_Muyou/stats Completed by 36,539, listed by 56,018 https://www.anikore.jp/anime/217/ Overall score 63.2, listed by 478 (Surprisingly to me, Japanese users rated GXP higher than Tenchi Universe: https://www.anikore.jp/anime/434/ Overall score 65.1, ranked at 2281th versus Tenchi Universe at 3034th) War on Geminar: https://myanimelist.net/anime/5781/Isekai_no_Seikishi_Monogatari/stats Completed by 74,647, listed by 133,605 https://www.anikore.jp/anime/1733/ Overall score 79.5, listed by 8024 Of course, none of that matters unless those fans are actually happy with this new OVA and buy it. On the English-speaking web, I don't see them coming out in large numbers to watch and comment on it; most probably don't even know that the show they loved a decade ago has prequel material coming out now. At least one is very happy with it, in the "Any hype" thread: MinuteBracelet said: nDroae said: the more optimistic novel-readers were wrong about the child in the poster being Tenchi's; it's actually Kenshi. Well, that's a big disappointment. Are you kidding me? I've been starving for more of War on Geminar's backstory to be developed and I'm so happy my boy Kenshi is back. I guess I'm not really a "traditional" fan of the series since my interest in the franchise as a whole was mostly sparked after I picked up Geminar since it looked like (and was) a very interesting mecha series. I watched some of of the other Ryo-Ohkis and to be honest they were pretty dull but the opportunity to see Kenshi's home life before returning to his motherland has me hyped because it's hinted at a lot in Geminar but never explicitly shown except for one flashback that shows Kenshi being hypnotized. I just hope that eventually we get to see some of the upbringing that made Kenshi into the purpose-bred, yet appropriately cute, Gary Stu human weapon he is in Geminar. nDroae said: @MinuteBracelet Geminar was the first anime I ever picked up during its Japanese release, but I stopped watching it halfway through and didn't finish it until five or six years later. Nice girls, dull show. I'm far from the only one who feels that way; it's just another case of a divided fanbase. If Geminar fans are excited to see more of that kid, good for them. |
| Nobody cares about Geminar or GXP, unless they were young enough to catch it in the early aughts. Most people don't know anything about it. Of course, I'm an oldtaku. And from your own response, people don't care about this OVA. I just want them to close out the original harem. Animate IF since it's far more important to most general anime fans (Tenchi was once one of the dominant anime series in the west) and THEN when there's time left over, do some Genminar GXP stuff. I don't personally mind. This creator clearly has his priorities backwards and from the cheap style of this OVA so far, he clearly hardly got funding. When I heard the voice actor for Sasami I almost fell out of my chair from laughter. I'm more than willing to make time for the Geminar/GXP fans. And I know some will disagree and say the 1999 movie was the end of the canon for the original harem. But just give me my fluff. All I'm asking is animate my original harem fluff and I'll more than put up with the 'other' anime somebody made after. |
| I also most want to see the conclusion for Tenchi's harem... though I'm not sure if I want it to end, since I have a particular liking (in concept) for multi-generational stories like Gundam, Star Wars, and Boruto. Of course in this case Tenchi is even more overpowered than Naruto, so there might be no point in that. I actually just assumed that there was no "Tenchi solution" conclusion for the original OVA timeline harem in any medium - that every written work just kept everyone in harem limbo indefinitely. Discovering via comments on the announcement of this OVA that that was not the case was quite a shock. |
| Normally it might be a problem that we've gone completely off topic, but there's not much in the episode to talk about, is there? ;P I was thinking about this after I replied: DarkInsomnia57 said: Nobody cares about Geminar or GXP, unless they were young enough to catch it in the early aughts. Most people don't know anything about it. Of course, I'm an oldtaku. I don't get the time-based distinction here against GXP. Tenchi Muyo is a relatively new franchise; at 1992 it only barely gets in before the Old School Anime Club's 1994 cutoff. The 10 years between OVA 1 and GXP is a mere 1/6th of the history of anime as we know it (ignoring Japanese animation pre-60's). 10 years seems like a long time while you're young, but looking back now, it wasn't long at all. https://i.imgur.com/qenil.jpg It's childish to make comparisons like this, but I can't resist - all in good humor, how is it that while I'm "young" and you're an "oldtaku," I've seen more pre-80's anime than you have? ;) Granted, my experience is recent. I guess that's given me sort of a timeless perspective on it all. |
nDroaeMar 18, 2020 1:21 PM
| Oh pre-80's? Dude, have at it. LOL. "Big man wants all our pre-80's anime!" "Why is he asking? Thank him." Here's a definable reason you don't have a leg to stand on in your argument. This OVA has been severely underfunded, and frankly the last one was a bit underfunded as well, same for OVA 3. If this OVA 5 was well funded GXP/Geminar prequel bait, I wouldn't have any argument against you. It would be a professional product and not the whimsy of an old man. It would be a top of the line Tenchi spinoff prequel OVA and there would be action and all kinds of things going on. Instead it's a harem tea party. And it's only like 20 minutes. And let's admit it, this first episode was sad and I was even looking forward to it. Nobody is hardly funding this, it's barely getting made. Because people want the original harem. Now, we can go into how this guy has written himself into a corner before and the franchise has been murdered by spinoffs and the like, but that would be sad. I think I speak for humanity when I say: animate us some harem pregnancy and what the daily lives of Tenchi's kids are and what he's doing these days with the Jurai royal kingdom, and did he ever go back there, and what's his occupation now, and all that, and frankly you can have all the money you want (original harem, Ayeka and Ryoko and Mihoshi and Noike and Tsunami etc). Also, while you're at it, explain what Washu is doing being a goddess. Honestly did these goddesses come from GXP or something? I'm confused. Also, I want to ask you, is GXP/Geminar worth it? I'm so thirsty for Tenchi like omg. |
| 25 minutes of women sitting around a table talking. Nope. |
Sokah said: 25 minutes of women sitting around a table talking. Nope. Continuing from what happened in the Tenchi Muyo episode immediately preceding this one: nDroae said: Episode outline: • Women having committee meeting • Women having committee meeting in bikinis • Women having committee meeting naked • Women having committee meeting in sleepwear DarkInsomnia57 said: Here's a definable reason you don't have a leg to stand on in your argument. It appears you must have misunderstood the point of my last post. I wasn't saying that the market for GXP is comparable to the market for OG Tenchi. Remember how I noted above that "just last year Funimation allowed their license on it to expire, because it wasn't even worth it to them to pay to renew it." What I was thinking was that it's funny, and sad, how just a few years created such a huge divide. And I remember my friend in his 20's, who won't watch any anime pre-2010. It's bad to entirely shut oneself off to any period of animation, but yes, that is exactly what most people do. Of course, since mass consensus is that GXP is bad, and I don't like Geminar, in this case I can't say that anyone is missing out by not watching them. In general, I don't see signs of a sizable market that's "thirsty for Tenchi." I wish there were a way to prove that if the sequel we want came out, made with good quality, Tenchi fans would come out of the woodwork to buy it and justify its budget, but I don't think that would happen. It might work as a Netflix project, since their western audience includes a lot of people who grew up with 90's anime. Then again, Tenchi Muyo's period of highest value to me was when I was 12, and while I haven't entire outgrown it, I don't consider it a great classic of anime. (I've seen 70's shows better than Tenchi ever was.) Other Tenchi fans, or ex-fans, are much more negative than I am - overwhelmingly, the majority opinion I've seen online is "The third OVA lost my interest, I don't really care anymore." Then there's this guy, who is only interested if Ryoko and Ayeka are still fighting over Tenchi, something which would turn me off if we got it. DarkInsomnia57 said: Also, while you're at it, explain what Washu is doing being a goddess. Honestly did these goddesses come from GXP or something? I'm confused. Also, I want to ask you, is GXP/Geminar worth it? I'm so thirsty for Tenchi like omg. Yeah, it was either the second or third Tenchi Muyo OVA series that revealed Washu to be a goddess, I don't remember which. I find all that goddess stuff more confusing (and forgettable) than I probably should! https://tenchi.fandom.com/wiki/Washu_Hakubi I gave my opinion on Geminar previously in this thread - "Nice girls, dull show." Perhaps I'm just being a cranky "oldtaku." ;) GXP, well, *I* thought it was good, and unlike Tenchi it actually has a conclusion, which I liberally spoiled above, since it's the backstory of characters in this fifth Tenchi series. Its MC Seina just marries his entire harem. But seeing how the show is so unpopular, I assume that my taste is unusual, and don't expect anyone else to like it. Just read the negative reviews. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1133/Tenchi_Muyou_GXP |
nDroaeMar 18, 2020 10:14 PM
| He marries them all? Sounds good. Ryoko and Ayeka fight more in the Universe canon, which is eh compared to Ryo-ohki. I want more of an artistic OVA that animates IF and finishes off the old harem once and for all. More than that would be frosting. Is there an audience? You could certainly see if you made a decent OVA with the most popular characters. It's just that it's been 20 years. I really feel it's time to have Tenchi choose and close it out or expand on it. It's lovely he cares so much about his expansion project (OVA 4 & 5 and GXP/Geminar). I just want to see a pregnant Ryoko/Ayeka and how that marriage dynamic works with the rest of the harem. Guess I'll have to write fanfiction since it will never happen. ;) I hope this OVA turns out better than it's going so far. |
| Well yeah, I mean a way to find out without risking all that money ;) I suppose one could try a Kickstarter, the kind intended to gauge public interest rather than to actually fully fund the project. But it would have to be convincing about the production quality being good, and the word would have to spread well. nDroae said: As a fan of [GXP] I'm very glad to see Kiriko here, following her wedding to Seina, and thinking about starting a family with him. If I can't get Tenchi's family, maybe I can at least see theirs? That would be great. I hope Seina's other wives show up too. Confirmed today: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2020-03-19/5th-tenchi-muyo-ova-season-casts-kikuko-inoue-aya-hisakawa-nana-mizuki-mariko-suzuki/.157668 Along with... rekindled hope!? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1795176#msg59384848 |
| Absolute garbage. In the end of Ryououki 3rd season, Tenchi's father married Rea, but the 4th season they went back to the last 3 days before the marriage just so they could show the characters talk non stop about Seina and some other characters that are completely irrelevant. 4th season ended with Kenchi departure to the other dimension already decided, but here we went back again to when Kenchi was still a baby just to show some irrelevant characters talk for half a hour about a bunch of irrelevant stuff again. It's clear that Tenchy Muyou is already over. The plot is gone and now what is left to see are characters that were never really part of the main series or were never relevant whatsoever talking non stop about other characters that are also not part of the main series and no one gives a fuck... WHAT THE FUCK. I had some hopes for this 5th season (despite reading some comments here), but i was a fool. This is as bad as the 4th season that i hated so much. Why they want to focus so much on on Germinar? It doesn't make any sense...that anime is old as hell already. Are they going to make a sequel to it or something? Why not talk about something new in the MAIN FUCKING SERIES? Is there no plot in the Tenchi novels that could have been interesting to adapt? WTF happens after the 3rd season events (i'm not talking about the marriage)? What happened to Mihoshi in that time where something bad happened to her? Ahhh forget it...it's over now. |
KaeUBWApr 28, 2020 6:02 PM
I despise woke people. |
KaeUBW said: Why they want to focus so much on on Germinar? It doesn't make any sense...that anime is old as hell already. Are they going to make a sequel to it or something? It's more a sequel to GXP than Geminar, see the PV for episode 2: Since my last post I started and finished a full rewatch of GXP and loved it, it must be my favorite part of the whole franchise. Can't wait for June 5. |
nDroae said: KaeUBW said: Why they want to focus so much on on Germinar? It doesn't make any sense...that anime is old as hell already. Are they going to make a sequel to it or something? It's more a sequel to GXP than Geminar, see the PV for episode 2: Since my last post I started and finished a full rewatch of GXP and loved it, it must be my favorite part of the whole franchise. Can't wait for June 5. Well it makes a it a little bit more sense it being a sequel to GXP, but it's still a stupid idea. I'd rather they focused on the main series. If they were going to make something for GXP they should make it a separate thing, but i guess that's exactly the opposite of what they want...they want to make everything just one big mess. I have the episodes of GXP here, but have never watched it (just a little of the first episode). I kind have prejudice against GXP simply because it's very very clear that it was basically a rehash of the original series...a character like Tenshi, another Ryoko which is also a pirate and stuff like that. Still, i can't say the anime is bad or not without watching it, but i still can say that THIS OVA is terrible. |
| I despise woke people. |
| @KaeUBW You probably wouldn't like GXP. It is a stupid show. :D nDroae said: I find myself falling into a cycle: 1) Through the 2000's I assumed GXP was a poor attempt at recreating Tenchi Muyo (later I found out that's also its general reputation) 2) I watched it ten years ago and it was much better than I was expecting 3) Recently: maybe I just had worse taste at the time? 4) No, my taste isn't better now. I love this show. It's (even) more vapid and pandering than Tenchi has ever been. And I seem to favor characters who draw criticism for having very little personality, whatever that says about me. |
| What happened to Tenchi? The series left off on a great cliffhanger at the end of OVA 2 in the 1990s and came back to successively crappier and crappier OVAs since which only seem to want to endlessly discuss inferior spinoffs non-stop in boring, lifeless conversations not many Tenchi fans really care about much lol |
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| Masaki Kajishima had his way with it. That's pretty much the summary. :D Episode 2 on CR in 6.5 hours let's goooooooooooooooooooo Edit: Or not ;( |
nDroaeJun 5, 2020 9:24 PM
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