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Jun 10, 2019 12:00 AM
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MAL forums aren't the greatest place for legit anime discussion, but I have no idea where else to talk about this.

It seems I got a lot out of the final episodes that most people just threw up their hands at. In this case I'd like to talk about the the world the series takes place in being the "true labyrinth" in itself, something mentioned a few times but doesn't explicitly come up again... right?

Well, I think the final battle - between Bocca and Solomon above the sea - is the only scene that takes place in the "real" world outside of the labyrinth. Bear with me here!

First, let's get some facts straight. The explosion that killed the Youth Melos League was in the close vicinity of the cowgirl farm. That explosion could also be seen from space, which the warriors went up to directly in a spaceship. I'm doing all this to establish that the cowgirl farm exists in the same "world" as the rest of the series.

Now let's go to the battle between Bocca and Solo in the finale. They're down in the center of the earth, having gone there through a hole that lead to a red space. Bocca takes Sayoko and races back up through that red space to take her to the surface. But when Bocca and Solo reach the cowgirl farm, they keep going and enter ANOTHER red space, which leads to a realistic (live-action!?) oceanbed, and emerge above the water! They went an additional layer up from the world the series takes place in, and thus must have escaped the labyrinth.

What I'm not sure about is the epilogue afterwards. Why would Bocca go back into the labyrinth and place himself in the narrative/system that had been called seriously into question? Honestly, the epilogue is so standard compared to how abstract the series had gotten that it feels like it was forced in there by executive decision or something.
Jan 29, 2021 2:31 AM
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AraleKurashiki said:
MAL forums aren't the greatest place for legit anime discussion, but I have no idea where else to talk about this.

It seems I got a lot out of the final episodes that most people just threw up their hands at. In this case I'd like to talk about the the world the series takes place in being the "true labyrinth" in itself, something mentioned a few times but doesn't explicitly come up again... right?

Well, I think the final battle - between Bocca and Solomon above the sea - is the only scene that takes place in the "real" world outside of the labyrinth. Bear with me here!

First, let's get some facts straight. The explosion that killed the Youth Melos League was in the close vicinity of the cowgirl farm. That explosion could also be seen from space, which the warriors went up to directly in a spaceship. I'm doing all this to establish that the cowgirl farm exists in the same "world" as the rest of the series.

Now let's go to the battle between Bocca and Solo in the finale. They're down in the center of the earth, having gone there through a hole that lead to a red space. Bocca takes Sayoko and races back up through that red space to take her to the surface. But when Bocca and Solo reach the cowgirl farm, they keep going and enter ANOTHER red space, which leads to a realistic (live-action!?) oceanbed, and emerge above the water! They went an additional layer up from the world the series takes place in, and thus must have escaped the labyrinth.

What I'm not sure about is the epilogue afterwards. Why would Bocca go back into the labyrinth and place himself in the narrative/system that had been called seriously into question? Honestly, the epilogue is so standard compared to how abstract the series had gotten that it feels like it was forced in there by executive decision or something.
First off the cowgirl farm and the red space are not in the same world and they are. Consider it as a bubble dimension linked to this world. Similarly the labyrinth was meant to be a bubble dimension disconnected from normal space time where time repeats itself where the minotaurus was trapped. Somehow the minotaurus found a way to break the rules of that dimension and influence the world outside even being able to exit it. But note that he cannot exit anywhere or all the time. Is hard for him to make exits and they can only last small periods of time.
About the epilogue, not sure about the question... why would he enter the labyrinth? If I remember he either tried to save someone or followed the warrior that fights the minotaurus
Feb 8, 2021 9:35 AM
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The cowgirl farm is absolutely in the same world, as I explained. The explosion could be seen from the cowgirl farm and from space, and the characters never enter red space in order to get there.

They go from tokyo -> space -> cowgirl farm -> red space -> center of the world -> red space -> cowgirl farm -> red space -> real ocean.
Jan 24, 2022 7:21 AM
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AraleKurashiki said:
The cowgirl farm is absolutely in the same world, as I explained. The explosion could be seen from the cowgirl farm and from space, and the characters never enter red space in order to get there.

They go from tokyo -> space -> cowgirl farm -> red space -> center of the world -> red space -> cowgirl farm -> red space -> real ocean.
I do not think is in the same world. The worlds can be connected, does not mean they are the same. Also if it were in the same place where would it be?
Jan 24, 2022 7:23 AM
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On Earth???

I'm not sure why it would be in a different world when I am given no reason to believe that in the show. Should I assume that every place the characters go is in a different world somehow?
Jan 24, 2022 11:23 AM
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AraleKurashiki said:
On Earth???

I'm not sure why it would be in a different world when I am given no reason to believe that in the show. Should I assume that every place the characters go is in a different world somehow?
No. But every monster can create a subspace, a different world in a sense. The place with all the monster similar to mount Olympus is a different world, The red space as well, the place where the body of oblivion is, the labyrinth. The farm seems to be one of those spaces simply becuase is on the road from the deepest part of subspace where the melody of oblivion is to the surface which is the sea. So in my opinion it cannot really be on earth, but just a subspace created by monsters. To be clear in a sense all subspaces do exist on earth, while in the same time they do not. They are pockets in space time that once really existed on earth and that do not exist on earth anymore but can be accessed from earth via gates.

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