LelouchviBritMER said:changelog said:I'm going to make this quick since I don't usually make threads of anime and I know that no one is going to read this post if I write an entire essay.
Basically, I've just re-watched the anime series and the three re-tell movies. It's made to remember just how much I fucking love Lelouch and his legacy, so I'm starting to think that it's going to be such a shame if Sunrise includes Lelouch in R3. There was no indication in the series or the re-tell movies that suggested that Lelouch had a motive after his supposed 'death'. The ending to R2 was extremely conclusive and made so much sense. Code Geass is remembered as having one of the greatest endings in anime so I really hope Sunrise does not screw this up by 'reviving' Lelouch to appeal to fans. I want to believe that the whole "Re;Surrection" thing is symbolic of the revival of Zero to once again protect the world (i.e. Suzaku, as we have seen in the trailers).
Basically, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't really get your hopes up... Lelouch is
dead. He may still exist in C's world, but for practical purposes he does not physically exist. To add to my point, in the second reveal C.C. says the line "this is what Lelouch wished for" while fighting Kallen. Her speaking in past tense strongly suggests that Lelouch is dead, too.
Ya'll can delude yourselves with those crazy Code theories, but I'm not going to believe them until someone can tell me what his intention may be after a 'revival'. And no, don't say stuff like: "Ah, he just wants to rule the world". That's completely out of character. Lelouch's actions always had a deeper meaning.
P.S. If you haven't watched the re-tell movies, watch them ASAP. LOADS of new scenes were added (and a few noticeable changes), so R3 just isn't going to make sense to you.
You are absolutely correct.
Not only does the original anime AND the show staff agree with you, but the new movie even SHOWS you are correct.
At the start of the movie,
Lelouch IS dead and not immortal, and
his corpse was smuggled to France so that others (i.e. not his alleged "code") can resurrect him.
Not only that but you also hit the nail on the head by pointing out that Lelouch had no motivations past his death. Zero Requiem unified his 2 goals of creating a better world and his personal redemption by achieving the better world through his death. THAT was the genius of his plan, and not some conspiracy thought up by fans in denial which is contradicted by the anime itself and by the very people who wrote the show.
In fact, it was C.C. herself who admitted during the movie that Lelouch's resurrection was the pursuit of [u$her own selfish desires[/u]. The motive for the resurrection was HERS, not HIS. Lelouch did not plan this at all.
The true prupose of the redemption side of the Zero requiem is eloquently explained by the official guide book:
"For those two who bear the heavy sin known as killing their fathers, they share the belief that they can forgive each other by imposing the greatest punishments on themselves. Death for Lelouch who wishes for a tomorrow with his sister, life for Suzaku who wishes to atone for his sins through death."
It is undeniable that this death is real, true death, and not some fake death or temporary death. Such twisted interpretations don't match at all with the message of the explanation, or with any of the official statements from the shows staff which ALL explain that Lelouch is truly dead.
For those who want to see how exactly the new movie contradicts code theory: watch the movie.
And before anyone tries to move the goals posts. Code Theory said Lelouch was alive, immortal and the cart driver at the end of R2. It did NOT say Lelouch would be resurrected in a sequel 10 years later through means which were not his own or for motivations which were not his own!
The movie introduces an entirely new concept, the "incomplete code", which we are shown to have different properties than the codes we know from R2. The movie borrowing a few ideas from the fan theory it earlier contradicted and applying them to this new concept which didn't exist in R2 is NOT a confirmation of said theory, no matter what its fanatical supporters may try to claim.
For those interested in ALL the information we have about Lelouch's death, there's a large document which has all the official statements: interviews, live commentaries, tweet series by show staff, the official guide book, the
new epilogue from 2009 where C.C. herself explains Lelouch is dead and that she mourns his death, etc. All of this with sources, links and pictures. It also goes over all the misconceptions and myths from the code theory and how and where the anime itself contradicts it.
All of this information can be found in the
Code Geass Community Information Database The code Lelouch now has,isn't it Charles's? Did he get it when Charles grabbed him? Wouldn't that confirm the Code theory?
