| After thinking and thinking, the only logical explanation I could come up with about what had happened and why Okabe would go back to BC 18000. I dont know what happen in VN so I dont know the detail, but correct me if Im wrong. After sending the message to his alternate self, Okabe went back to the past in BC 18000 from 2025 to meet Mayuri and Suzuha. Okabe believes that by going into the past would make him same as dead... The reason is, to deceive the world and also, to deceive Suzuha (who still a little kid that year). Suzuha believed that Okabe died in 2025, thats why, several years later, Suzuha would go into the past, telling the alternate Okabe to save Kurisu.. so the history wont change... And then, in BC 18000, Okabe would meet Suzuha and Mayuri to save them.. The reason is, Okabe had made a promise to Kagari... I remember he said that "I'll go to wherever she (Mayuri) is and bring her back". So, I believe, after meeting them in the distant past, Okabe would go into the future with them but not to 2025, cz it would create a time paradox. They would go into the future in several years AFTER the teenage Susuza went into the past... So, once again. Okabe manage to enter the steins;gate worldline where Suzuha and Mayuri lives... But, what I dont understand is, why his reading steiner didnt activate the moment they sent that D-mail video like in the first series... I though the world is supposed to change cz he changed the past.. but he still in WW3 era... English is not my native so forgive my bad grammar... |
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| Okabe won't return back to the future, he will stay in BC 180000. ariel_nugie said: But, what I dont understand is, why his reading steiner didnt activate the moment they sent that D-mail video like in the first series... I though the world is supposed to change cz he changed the past.. but he still in WW3 era... Teen Suzuha should first come from 2036 and tell past Okabe to view the video mail. |
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Aquamirror said: Okabe won't return back to the future, he will stay in BC 180000. ariel_nugie said: But, what I dont understand is, why his reading steiner didnt activate the moment they sent that D-mail video like in the first series... I though the world is supposed to change cz he changed the past.. but he still in WW3 era... Teen Suzuha should first come from 2036 and tell past Okabe to view the video mail. Is there a reason why would he stay???? I really need to know. I cant sleep if I dont know |
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ariel_nugie said: Aquamirror said: Okabe won't return back to the future, he will stay in BC 180000. Teen Suzuha should first come from 2036 and tell past Okabe to view the video mail. Is there a reason why would he stay???? I really need to know. I cant sleep if I dont know There is no point for him to go into the future, he is destined to die(disappear) in 2025. If he goes after 2036 he will overwrite the Okabe from the original ending and fail everything. |
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Aquamirror said: ariel_nugie said: Is there a reason why would he stay???? I really need to know. I cant sleep if I dont know There is no point for him to go into the future, he is destined to die(disappear) in 2025. If he goes after 2036 he will overwrite the Okabe from the original ending and fail everything. Well, that's sad... cz it looks like nobody could live in that era where no water or food... |
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ariel_nugie said: Aquamirror said: There is no point for him to go into the future, he is destined to die(disappear) in 2025. If he goes after 2036 he will overwrite the Okabe from the original ending and fail everything. Well, that's sad... cz it looks like nobody could live in that era where no water or food... Well yeah, but 0 Okabe is not important, he did his job and now the other one that actually matters will reach Steins Gate in his place. 0 Okabe would have died anyway, at least he saved Mayuri and Suzuha. |
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Aquamirror said: ariel_nugie said: Well, that's sad... cz it looks like nobody could live in that era where no water or food... Well yeah, but 0 Okabe is not important, he did his job and now the other one that actually matters will reach Steins Gate in his place. 0 Okabe would have died anyway, at least he saved Mayuri and Suzuha. What do u mean, he saved Mayuri and Suzuha? So, he only gave them fuel for the time machine so only both of them could go to the future in 2036?? |
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ariel_nugie said: Aquamirror said: Well yeah, but 0 Okabe is not important, he did his job and now the other one that actually matters will reach Steins Gate in his place. 0 Okabe would have died anyway, at least he saved Mayuri and Suzuha. What do u mean, he saved Mayuri and Suzuha? So, he only gave them fuel for the time machine so only both of them could go to the future in 2036?? Yes, he gave them a new battery but he most likely didn't return in order to ensure something doesn't unexpectedly mess up their mission (and he would have most likely died again if he returned anyway). We don't know when they return to for sure, but most likely 2025. |
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Aquamirror said: ariel_nugie said: What do u mean, he saved Mayuri and Suzuha? So, he only gave them fuel for the time machine so only both of them could go to the future in 2036?? Yes, he gave them a new battery but he most likely didn't return in order to ensure something doesn't unexpectedly mess up their mission (and he would have most likely died again if he returned anyway). We don't know when they return to for sure, but most likely 2025. Im not sure about returning to 2025.. cz Suzuha who still a kid is still there.. if they return that year, there would be 2 suzuha and it would create time paradox... Suzuha even forbid Okabe to meet his other self |
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ariel_nugie said: Aquamirror said: Yes, he gave them a new battery but he most likely didn't return in order to ensure something doesn't unexpectedly mess up their mission (and he would have most likely died again if he returned anyway). We don't know when they return to for sure, but most likely 2025. Im not sure about returning to 2025.. cz Suzuha who still a kid is still there.. if they return that year, there would be 2 suzuha and it would create time paradox... Suzuha even forbid Okabe to not let him meet his other self He only forbid him in order to preserve the events from his perspective unchanged. There is no problem if they both exist, either older Suzuha will die shortly by whatever reasons or she can probably stay hidden from the younger one. Even if they see each other there shouldn't be a problem. |
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| Thus the god of space and time commited the biggest sacrafice to ensure the creation of Stains Gate. I mean how much more epic could this anime become? So to follow up with the post above, it won't matter if 2 Suzuhas exist in one world line. Those in the 0 world line knows of the events that lead up to the sacrifice, Daru and Maho will surely explain what happened. |
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| So, there is either a universe, or a multiverse. The multiverse theory invalidates Steins;Gate. This is because every depiction of Okabe using Reading Steiner would devolve into an Okabe that stays behind in the original world, and an Okabe traveling to a new timeline. In other words, the original timelines still exist, all the ones where Mayushi died for instance. The universe theory invalidates this so-called 'epic' ending. The moment original Okabe sets the conditions for Steins;Gate, future (pre-historic) Okabe, Mayushi and Suzuha, and everyone else, will merge into the active worldline, and the original world will cease to exist at all. Therefore, there would be no consequence to what happened afterwards. If Steins;Gate exists, then everyone will be 'saved', except Kagari and whoever else who might never even exist. If Steins;Gate doesn't exist, then future Okabe dies alone, as does original Okabe. |
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katsucats said: So, there is either a universe, or a multiverse. The multiverse theory invalidates Steins;Gate. This is because every depiction of Okabe using Reading Steiner would devolve into an Okabe that stays behind in the original world, and an Okabe traveling to a new timeline. In other words, the original timelines still exist, all the ones where Mayushi died for instance. Steins;Gate explicitly states that it doesn't use the traditional multiverse theory. There is only one active world line at a time, others remain only as possibilities but don't actually happen until they become the active world line. |
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Kirby10 said: Also to add to this, why is Kagari still with the Lab Members in 2025? I mean I get why but how would that work in the WWIII worldline if she's going to be born next year (2026) and get adopted by Mayuri a few years later?? If Mayuri adopts the child Kagari, then there will be 2 Kagaris at the same time at Valkyrie. |
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Kirby10 said: SciADV_Maniac said: If Mayuri adopts the child Kagari, then there will be 2 Kagaris at the same time at Valkyrie. Exactly. wouldn't that create a paradox of some kind? No. The existence of 2 versions of the "same" people is perfectly fine, as we saw it multiple times. Meeting with your other self is also fine according to Alpha Suzuha, only Beta Suzuha said that it can cause a paradox. We never saw any instance when this kind of thing happened, so we don't know for sure, but Beta Suzuha was probably wrong. |
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reverseflash869 said: SciADV_Maniac said: No. The existence of 2 versions of the "same" people is perfectly fine, as we saw it multiple times. Meeting with your other self is also fine according to Alpha Suzuha, only Beta Suzuha said that it can cause a paradox. We never saw any instance when this kind of thing happened, so we don't know for sure, but Beta Suzuha was probably wrong. Maybe suzuha didn't come back to 2025 but to 2036, because in 2036, suzuha went to the past so there will be no 2 suzuha Doesn't really matter though. Having 2 Suzuhas is perfectly fine, nothing would happen. |
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