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Nov 24, 2017 3:33 PM
#1
@tsuyokunaru @SpaghettiSpike I think it's just us 3, right? In any case have fun! |
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Nov 25, 2017 6:29 AM
#2
Sub>dub imo I like the artwork and character designs, aside from the robots but the MC is a qtie so that makes up for it, he seems to be the kind of unfeeling killing machine when he goes rage mode, Kenshin-style. I can tolerate the amnesia if the rest keeps up. Setting aint bad either, I hope theres at least one city in this desert tho |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Nov 27, 2017 1:21 PM
#3
Episode 1 Quite intriguing setting and I like how the animation looks. The character designs, well, I like some more than others, but Casshern is def a cutie like @SpaghettiSpike said lol I really like his hair. It seems this will be pretty action-packed, but the lack of context made the first couple of fights boring. I also wished he'd spent a bit more time with Ringo to make the connection a bit more meaningful. Also I really like the opening song. The ending song is OK. Episode 2 That really went to existential drama faster than I expected, but it's all right since I'm hoping now that they might present a different array of perspectives about life/death/existence in this show. I was definitely sad about the fact that they betrayed their previous philosophy and reverted to trying to just devour Casshern, but I can't really say if it was just a delusion on their part to believe they could accept death so easily. It's already being kind of thought-provoking. The fights are still kind of meh to me though. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Nov 27, 2017 7:00 PM
#4
Something about how my past self processed this show doesn't add up. In my memory the few episodes I all had about as much dialogue as the first episode of Texhnolyze and it's all just vague memories of Casshern wandering alone through the apocalyptic landscape. But this first ep was pretty eventful so idk where I got that impression from xD. Episode 1 I definitely also like the visuals a lot. The animation was pretty solid, the backgrounds look great and the character designs, while not amazing, are also pretty cool. I also love the OP and the OST during the episode was also nice, the ED was forgettable tho. Definitely interested to see where this goes. Knowing basically nothing just like Casshern is something I kinda like at the beginning of a series because it basically just means there's a lot of potential. We'll see whether it makes use of that tho. So far so good. Some interesting trivia about the stuff that I found when I lookd it up was that the character designer also did the character designs for stuff like Mushishi, Hero Academia, Heartcatch Precure and the old Berserk anime. PLus I'll be looking forward to ep 20 since that one is directed by Eunyoung Choi who also works together with Yuasa and directed some nice episodes in Space Dandy and Kaiba already among others. |
AlcoholicideNov 27, 2017 7:06 PM
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Nov 27, 2017 7:24 PM
#5
Pullman said: Some interesting trivia about the stuff that I found when I lookd it up was that the character designer also did the character designs for stuff like Mushishi, Hero Academia, Heartcatch Precure and the old Berserk anime. PLus I'll be looking forward to ep 20 since that one is directed by Eunyoung Choi who also works together with Yuasa and directed some nice episodes in Space Dandy and Kaiba already among others. Yeah, I found out about the character designer while we were watching Heartcatch Precure because of this interview with the BnHA author and how he was so stoked about Umakoshi doing designs for Hero Academia. In the interview he also says that the character design in Casshern is actually his own style and for Mushishi and BnHA he went for a less defo |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Nov 27, 2017 7:24 PM
#6
Pullman said: Some interesting trivia about the stuff that I found when I lookd it up was that the character designer also did the character designs for stuff like Mushishi, Hero Academia, Heartcatch Precure and the old Berserk anime. PLus I'll be looking forward to ep 20 since that one is directed by Eunyoung Choi who also works together with Yuasa and directed some nice episodes in Space Dandy and Kaiba already among others. Yeah, I found out about the character designer while we were watching Heartcatch Precure because of this interview with the BnHA author and how he was so stoked about Umakoshi doing designs for Hero Academia. In the interview he also says that the character design in Casshern is actually his own style and for BnHA (And I'm guessing Mushishi) he went for a less deformed style. His designs were used in Saint Seiya Omega too. I actually thought Yuri from Heartcatch looked right out of Casshern when she was first introduced as a character since her design seems so different from the rest of the characters in that show to me. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Nov 28, 2017 2:13 PM
#7
Episode 2 So the robots used to rule and now they're falling to ruin and allegedly Casshern is both the cause and the cure. It was a bit strange when that doctor robot talked about them not being able to build new robots and when he was asked why he just said 'I don't know, it just feels like that.'. Not sure what to make of that explanation xD. But it was a nice episode. I liked the little robot village and the whole topic of being able or not being able to just accept death like that. Also that dog also wasn't affected by the ruin it seems so maybe he's related to casshern in some way, like the same material or idk. Seems like an odd coincidence otherwise. |
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Nov 30, 2017 6:48 AM
#8
Episode 3 I was a little surprised to find out this episode starts right where the previous one ended, but it was a good way to eventually include Friender into the journey. Akoz was a great counterbalance to Casshern in terms of mood too and he even made Casshern a little less lonely. I found his wish of looking for the group of robots who have accepted death sad but well, I think he still got his wish when he saw Casshern being resigned to Friender attacking him. One of the things that's thought-provoking (and a little depressing) about this show to me is how some information is unknown to the characters but known to the audience, so I think about their incomplete pictures and how having more information might impact their worldview etc |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Nov 30, 2017 9:31 AM
#9
Am I supposed to feel for robots now? ;( I quite enjoy the fight scenes here and like the artstyle. On one hand I feel kinda bad for the robots 'losing their humanity' at the end and attacking the guy who just saved them but on the other hand im happy cause it looks like he will have a dog now and I like Friender already :D Must be hard for the MC to get blamed for shit he doesnt remember or even understand. I also wonder what happened to the stab wound and how such stuff impacts him? iirc it was in the same spot that was highlighted in ep. 1 where he felt some kind of pain |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Nov 30, 2017 9:58 AM
#10
Episode 3 I'm not surprised Friender ended up joining but I'm still glad to see it. I also quite liked Akoz. The first human we meet, right? But according to him they're not that rare so we'll probably meet more in the future. It was of course sad that Akoz was terminally ill and died at the end of the episode but I think he was a good influence on Casshern and it was heartwarming how he spearated from Casshern at the end before he died so Casshern wouldn't feel like an angel of death anymore. Episode 4 This was an interesting episode. The romance felt almost dreamlike with their feelings mostly not being conveyed by words but by actions and not even that really but mostly by what they didn't do, which is trying to seriously kill each other. I liked that Cassherns self-defense mechanism (or whatever you want to call his beastmode when he gets attacked) not kicking in was what defined their relationship. Casshern thinks it's because she didn't want to kill him but rather save him, but I think she wanted to save him by killing him so I'm not sure how that works exactly. Maybe Casshern just subconsciously controlled himself for the first time because he likes this hot robot girl. Or am I just a romantic? :> In any case I hope we get to see her again in the future. |
AlcoholicideNov 30, 2017 11:26 AM
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Dec 1, 2017 6:04 AM
#11
Episode 4 Interestingly even with her saying she loved him and all, I didn't see Sophita's feelings as 'romance' until I read your comment @Pullman. Either way, it was a really cool episode. Her change from coming in contact with him and her desire to see him again were touching. Some of the dialogue was really great and I also appreciated how they worked a bit of info about Casshern's abilities within this context. Episode 5 So robot siblings huh, I wonder if they'll explain that or if we're just supposed to assume that she called the other robot woman 'sister' because they lived together or what... anyway, I was glad they shed some light into Luna and all that, but yeah, I have even more questions now haha. Still, this show is doing a really great job of building up excitement and interest. I'm not even unsatisfied with the sort of slow reveal style either because it just fits. There's more pressing stuff right now than finding out the nature of Luna and why she kept the place alive, like that cloaked ikemen. Also, the fight where he saves Ringo and Ohji had some pretty impressive visuals at times. Episode 6 So Dio reveals that as Casshern guessed in ep 5, he's neither robot nor human. Luna apparently was also immortal and who is that lady who took Dio with her? So intriguing! |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Dec 4, 2017 6:30 PM
#12
Episode 7 For a sec there I thought that Casshern couldn't be turned into the bell because of his failsafe system thing, but he was concious the whole time! Nice concept of trying to show the beauty in the doomed world they're in. Episode 8 Man, this anime is missing a harem tag /joke This ep had really nice animation in comparison to the previous one! I really enjoyed the singing too. I must say I'm completely obsessed with the opening song. I find myself randomly humming it during the day. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Dec 5, 2017 9:58 AM
#13
I was busy shitposting all week doing immensely important things so im kinda late but should manage to catch up to you tonight The pacing definitely isnt the fastest out there but I liked how they managed to make me care for this dude and their parting was portrayed really well. I dig the mature approach. but the eyes showing from under the hair... ew ''I think he still got his wish when he saw Casshern being resigned to Friender attacking him.'' @tsuyokunaru good stuff, didnt connect that on my own, but its def a nice observation Was an alright ep, the romance was a bit too poetic for my taste but still nice overall. I also really like the soundtrack. The track playing while they were saying goodbyes was great. |
SpaghettiSpikeDec 5, 2017 11:50 AM
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Dec 6, 2017 9:35 AM
#14
I'm finishing Build Fighters right now so starting tomorrow Casshern Sins will be my main non-airing show I watch so I should start making more progress soon. |
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Dec 6, 2017 6:14 PM
#15
I really fucking love this OP btw. After 5 eps I listened to it like 15 times already, it's hard to start the episode when I just want to rewind the first 90 seconds over and over again xD. Episode 5 Solid episode that really built on what I think will be some of the main themes of this show. On the one hand there's the whole thing with Casshern being responsible for the ruin and therefore being seen as evil by most including himself, but at the same time there's a lot of 'victims' of the ruin who are behaving in evil ways and just use the ruin as an excuse to be assholes and not give a fuck anymore pretty much. Arguably that makes them more evil. On the other hand there's the whole intent vs outcome thing that we see with most of the Casshern fight scenes. Even if his intent is good the outcome is usually bad because he loses control. Is he still acting morally tho when he acts on the impulse to want to save someone? I'm a bit worried the show might get repetitive with hammering these topics (and the underlying and meta ones that are related to them) into our heads with various situations and characters each episode. Because so far I don't really care too much about the plot and specific characters on their own because this show really just seems to go for the thematic approach and I see the cast and plot more as ways to make a point or ask a question about more abstract topics and themes. I think it's at least partly because the whole show has a bit of a distant, grey, silent approach and it mostly being robots just adds to making the apocalyptic world feel more inhumane and cold which makes it difficult for me to really relate to any of it beyond an abstract level. But well it's still early and maybe the 'surface' plot will start sucking me in soon. But even if it doesn't as long as the episodic-ish stuff has enough variety of topics and angles it explores I'll probably still love it. So far the unique atmosphere, cool action scenes and amazing backgrounds alone seem like they'll provide a solid baseline of enjoyment no matter where this goes. |
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Dec 7, 2017 2:08 PM
#16
Episode 9 Hm. Although by now the episode structure's repetitiveness is getting to me a bit more, I'm wondering if it's done in a deliberate way for the audience to share Casshern's jaded state. Either way, this ep wasn't particularly a chance of pace since there was more fighting to save another cutely naive character, it did seem to move things forward with Casshern going on a journey to find this new Luna. Niko was also interesting. I thought at first that she might have been some sort of nursing robot by her behavior, I guess Luna's caretaker wasn't that far from that. Her character design freaked me out a bit at first because she looked kind of deranged, all smiles with those red eyes and stuff. My opinion softened a lot when she and Ringo hung out together though. We don't really have much background about what the world was like before the Ruin or what robots were doing, what's the difference between the more humanoid robots and the rest and if how old your model is affects how quickly the Ruin gets to you or how much time exactly has passed since the Ruin began. Well, these things are probably superfluous, but I get curious. Episode 10 I don't know if I'm just being ridiculously obtuse but I don't get much of what's going on with Dio and Leda. Hopefully there will be some light shed into it at some point. The rest of the ep was okay. Not as interesting to me as some of the others. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Dec 8, 2017 7:15 PM
#17
Episode 6 Some new characters and interesting revelations. The idea of Casshern inheriting the curse of immortality definitely makes me curious. Also it's kinda funny that the infighting about who gets to kill Casshern even leads to people saving him from others ^^. Episode 7 Cool episode, one of the more poetic ones like the 'romance' ep earlier. I think I like those. There isn't realy much to say about it tho. Episode 8 So not even this anime is safe from Japan's obsession with Idols :>. But yeah the singing was nice and her and Casshern made an interesting pair and the serenity of her songs paired with the brutal imagery of Casshern tearing apart these guys (with nice animation as tsuyo mentioned) was quite something. Nice juxtaposition. |
AlcoholicideDec 8, 2017 9:03 PM
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Dec 8, 2017 11:36 PM
#18
Did the girl really have to tell her backstory? Her reasons for disliking him are probably the same as half of the world or idk how rare 'family' there is. Her answer to who Luna actually is was obnoxiously abstract. I'm quite enjoying the fact hes so OP and I dont think I've seen the series recommended in these countless 'MC goes into rage mode, gets super strong and destroys everything' threads. The new character gave me the hype so I should be finally able to get into binge mood. Looks like one of Casshern's species. The OP visuals are great and I like how we're getting a little bit more information every time before the OP. The fight was ofc great but as I assumed Casshern shows him who the boss is. The red costume, white haired girl looks like she wants to enter my favorites. I really dig the designs of the Casshern-like species. I also realized how the pretty, slim robots are usually stronger and smarter while the ugly, fat ones die much faster and dont say much aside from 'Kill Casshern' lol This episode gave me Kino vibes but had too little going for it tbh. Hope the next one is more interesting or goes into the main plot. That one was more impactful and the singing lady was more to my liking than the white haired engineer from last ep. Song/fighting scene really nice. I agree... where are the harem, music tags? I also thought for some while that Niko might flip out any moment and try to kill someone. That one was pretty interesting, although I still have complaints about the pacing since I generally prefer faster shows but the other aspects kind of make up for it. I want Dio and his partner to show up again if possible. That fight was amazing. Theres also some love going on between Dio and Leda but I think shes plotting something, probably a kill steal at the last moment. Dio needs to work on his complexes. God of Death was a nice concept but didnt really contribute much aside form angering Dio. Well the creators clearly arent hurrying anywhere. Jin was a cool guy |
SpaghettiSpikeDec 10, 2017 10:45 PM
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Dec 14, 2017 6:58 PM
#19
Episode 11 I quite liked this ep, first the fight at the beginning had some pretty cool looking bits, but Jin was the interesting part. I liked his conviction, even if I'm not sure if I would agree with him, though I want to believe I would. They continue to rehash hope vs. despair when it comes to the ruin, but now even I'm starting to believe Luna will be found at some point. Episode 12 I didn't care much for Margo and in this ep they offer yet another perspective on the hope vs. despair debate in this anime, although now it goes a bit in the opposite direction with the mob being the ones forcing the belief the ruin must be accepted quietly. This ep and Jin's goodbye to Casshern in the previous ep makes me wonder if there will ever be an end to the bleakness in this show? I just feel like even the hopeful characters (Jin as an example) feel like they may waver at some point, which makes me a little sad, but it's also interesting to think about. I still haven't gotten quite tired of the pace, but I do wonder if I should expect anything else by now. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Dec 15, 2017 12:57 PM
#20
Episode 9 I liked this episode and Niko and that random turtle-robot. Maybe it was because Niko was related to Luna or because of her mental instability but somehow I cared more for her than for some of the other episode characters we met. And the new direction suggesting Luna (or some imposter) may still be around is definitely interesting. It used to all about killing Casshern to stop the ruin but now someone can allegedly stop the ruin on her own so maybe there is cause for optimism. Although realistically it'll just be another disappointment or trap or who knows. Episode 10 Dio definitely has some complexes and Leda seems to be the more intelligent one, manipulating him for her own reasons (whatever they are). The addition of another Luna-related character in Dune is definitely interesting and the fight was cool as well. I also quite liked that song that was playing during the bit right before the ED. Not seeing Casshern this ep definitely made it feel a bit different from the others. Most things are still shrouded in mystery but we're not even at the halfway point so I'm fine with that. The short scene at the beginning of the ep that slowly adds more information as we get further into the show is a very cool concept btw. Speaking of which, the thing with 'your blood is altering me' gave birth to this weird theory that maybe Luna turned into Casshern somehow and the Casshern we know is actually originally Luna. Like idk, he has some robot-genes-altering blood or whatever. It's probably bullshit but I'm just kinda trying to make sense of the 'blood altering her' stuff. |
AlcoholicideDec 16, 2017 7:33 PM
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Dec 18, 2017 10:27 AM
#21
Episode 11 The events of this ep were pretty run-of-the-mill for this show but I agree, Jin is a cool character and I'm sure this won't be the last we see of him. The idea that a strong conviction/belief keeps the ruin away is certainly interesting as well. But as we're nearing the halfway point I'm kinda itching for some more answers rather than just theories :>. Episode 12 Another episodic episode pretty much but I can't help but really like most of these, it's just my kind of thing. I liked Margo, I always have a weakness for artist-type characters and I thought it was touching how he kept doing his thing. But it also seemed this episode made sure to clarify that the thing from last ep about conviction keeping the ruin away was just wishful thinking because Margo still fell victim to it pretty hard. |
AlcoholicideDec 18, 2017 11:03 AM
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Dec 21, 2017 10:02 AM
#22
Cool painter story. Next ep looks like we get a look at the other guys and I hope they start touching the main plot at least a bit. |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Dec 21, 2017 7:42 PM
#23
@Pullman Before seeing ep 13, I must say that your theory about Luna becoming Casshern somehow is pretty interesting. When I saw that ep and they mentioned that she was changing him, I thought that he was absorbing part of her power, but not that she could have become him. In a way that could count as killing her Episode 13 So Braiking Boss appears! I must say it was a bit shocking to find out Ohji created Casshern, but to learn that the original plan was to get robots to reproduce was very intriguing. Although I did wonder about this desire to be the same as humans, well I guess robots have usually been portrayed in fiction this way, so it's not like it doesn't make sense. I did think more about 'Luna becoming Casshern' during that scene where he hurts himself after repeating 'kill Luna' over and over, maybe you're onto something. Episode 14 Ofc Dio and Casshern's fight would be put off yet again! I was pretty interested in why Braiking Boss thinks Leda's support for Dio is noteworth, but I guess the reveal of the ep is that Luna, is she the real deal, I wonder! I like the new ending song, too. Episode 15 Touching episode with some nice dialogue that keeps expanding on the theme of fighting to survive and why, etc. They're also including more details of the event regarding Luna's death and at the same time show the new Luna, so I'm looking forward to seeing more of that. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Dec 22, 2017 8:02 AM
#24
I figured that guy was Braiking Boss but the other reveals were hype af. Hands down best episode so far. I also believe Luna is a part of Casshern in some way now. |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Dec 30, 2017 4:48 AM
#25
Some fights, talking and a (fake?) Luna reveal, but im happy were moving to the main plot now. |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Jan 6, 2018 7:56 PM
#26
Episode 13 So now it's 'not his fault' in the pre-Opening sequence, huh? I wasn't actually that surprised that the old guy made them but the episode was definitely very interesting nonetheless. Episode 14 Cool episode but that ending cliffhanger definitely is the most impactful part of it. Now I have to watch one more ep to find out what's the deal with that Luna. Episode 15 Nice fight, good dialogue, solid episode. Wish there was more about the new Luna tho. |
AlcoholicideJan 6, 2018 8:44 PM
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Jan 9, 2018 12:32 PM
#27
Episode 16 Dio is such a drag sometimes lol but well, it seems now he's starting to understand himself better. The conversation with Braiking Boss about Casshern was pretty interesting. Also, I ended up a little confused about Ringo, is she human after all? Though I'm still leaning more towards her being a robot. Episode 17 Shocking glimpse at Leda's past. Her fight against Casshern had some nice visuals and we got a bit more insight into her. The children were really cute, I really liked this ep even if the scene at the end made me really said. Also, I think Ohji is totally going to die before he and Ringo meet again :( |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Jan 11, 2018 5:02 PM
#28
Episode 16 I kinda took that as a revelation that she is human? Or can these robots even grow from baby-size to child-size organically? You never know with this show. Dio is definitely kinda boring me most of the time with his emo-ness. But there's still hope for him :>. Episode 17 Leda definitely kinda lost it there but we got to learn a bit more about what makes her tick at least. But once again she and Dio escaped after a quasi-defeat. The ending was definitely sad but also hopeful and probably the single biggest plot development yet so I'm definitely looking forward to what happens from here on. But yeah I'm with you on the deathflag for the old guy :/. |
AlcoholicideJan 11, 2018 5:34 PM
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Jan 15, 2018 5:36 PM
#29
Episode 18 Interesting episode. This marks a big change in Lyze's character and I wonder how that'll impact what happens from here on. |
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Jan 15, 2018 6:42 PM
#30
Episode 18 The sort of artsy tone was a bit puzzling at first, but in the end it fit Lyuze's state of inner turmoil and her eventual epiphany. I still stand by my previous joke that this needs a harem tag : > I do like to see this change in her since she had been ambivalent about her revenge for a while. Episode 19 I found this episode intriguing for the particular reason that it was previously said that if you love, you won't fall to the ruin (or something along those lines? Iirc it was said by the children in ep 17 to Ringo or was it in that Braiking Boss and Dio's conversation?) and it reminded me of the couple from ep 2, but that's beside the point. I guess I found it interesting that now Lyuze falling to the ruin faster, but I suppose it's her fear of losing her time with Casshern which accelerates the process constantly is her fear grows as she decays more. |
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Jan 16, 2018 2:21 AM
#31
Pretty good, I like Dune's character. The distorted artwork also fits very well at times. Even better, finally Dio overcomes his doubts and wrecks some shit. |
SpaghettiSpikeJan 16, 2018 3:49 AM
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Jan 16, 2018 12:47 PM
#32
Episode 19 Not sure I still believe in the ruin and the psychology of a character being related. I don't really see any consistent patterns. Sometimes it's slow, sometimes it's very sudden and fast, sometimes people don't get it. But maybe there is some abstract relation and I'm just not seeing how it is consistent yet. There's still a lot of things unclear after all. Episode 20 Very interesting episode. I was glad to see Dune again even if it ended being pretty depressing. But more importantly they found Luna and so far it seems like she's not some obvious fake at least. But she's also very different from what I expected. Not really sure if/how her supposed healing works yet but things are definitely entring the final stage now that they reached Luna. |
AlcoholicideJan 16, 2018 2:06 PM
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Jan 20, 2018 2:20 AM
#33
That one was more emotional, also some reveals regarding Leda's past and Luna's... things. Neat looking fight I love the OP&ED <3 |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Jan 20, 2018 11:45 AM
#34
Episode 20 So the Luna everyone has been talking about and trying to find is real after all! Dune's demise was definitely sad and to leave with such harsh words from the one he was trying to protect and had always had unwavering loyalty to :( just too cruel. I also think that this Luna is different from what I expected and from what was shown before. I suddenly got this crazy theory that when she was 'killed' she and Casshern traded places and were 'reborn' or something. Episode 21 Oh, so this Luna gives eternal life and the previous Luna gave things a lifespan, so in a sense the ruin is Luna's doing? I suppose now the show is going down the path of things needing a lifespan and the fear of death in order to gain some sort of drive/will/momentum? We can see that now the immortal ones don't care about anything but continue to just be there in that town and they look unsettling. Casshern's destruction was pretty impactful in light of this, he's always been open about his yearning for death, so Ohji's complaint seems unfair imo. Also, Ohji is not dead yet! Shocking. Episode 22 Wow, Leda's elitism is so ridiculous... I do wonder what exactly happened to her after Luna's healing and if it was done to her out of spite? So Luna says she won't let anything died anymore, too. Ah and Casshern and Dio's conversation is pretty much what I thought this was going to be about after all. |
omakaseJan 20, 2018 12:31 PM
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Jan 24, 2018 5:57 AM
#35
I liked the design of the black/red lady, too bad she wasnt around longer. The sound directing still remains on point, these eps were more on the surreal side with the color palettes and dream sequences as well. I ship Lyuze x Casshern Hella reveals here. Interesting look at eternal life vs finite as a driving force, heightening the value of each moment etc. Why is Ohji so mean to casshan tho Glad to see Dio&Leda came to terms with everything. Nice message about the mortals being more alive than the forever living ones. What does Braiking Boss and Luna intend to do tho? Have they not listened to all the other guys saying its bad to live forever? Also braiking boss changes his goal again smh I'll prolly watch the last ep tomorrow or when you catch up. |
SpaghettiSpikeJan 25, 2018 6:11 AM
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Jan 25, 2018 2:16 PM
#36
Episode 21 Interesting to learn about Luna previously handing out mortality in a world of eternal life and now she hands out eternal life in a world of ruin. There is definitely the theme of death/mortality giving meaning to life but the more interesting nuance to me was Lyuze rejecting the healing because she feels like she wouldn't be herself anymore. Like the Ruin is part of what makes her who she is. Symbolically it's easy to read this as flaws defining individuality and if you could just get rid of your flaws you wouldn be a different person so it's not necessarily desirable. It definitely resonated with me and my relationship to antidepressants which also supposedly fix some sort of (mental) 'ruin' but at the same time pose the question whether that doesn't turn you into a different person and if you want that or not. But maybe I'm reading too much into this. Definitely an interesting episode tho. |
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Jan 26, 2018 2:24 PM
#37
@Pullman I admired Lyuze for that reason, but I didn't think too deeply on it except to agree with her choice, I guess. Your comment is thought-provoking and I don't think it's a far-fetched interpretation Episode 23 Har har, Casshern's wish to not kill/fight again seems unrealistic atm. This episode was pretty interesting too. I came to the conclusion that 'struggling' or 'fighting' to live is what turns those beings into 'burning flames'. This as a theme made me think because I've often seen this sort of hm idealization of struggle as something that can offend me at times, in this case I'm not taking issue with it, but due to personal reasons, I yearn for a peaceful and comfortable life, but it made me wonder if that kind of life is mind-numbing, makes passion go away, etc. Well, this comment is probably too literal and there's a more symbolic way to look at it, but it's what first came to mind. Episode 24 After seeing their nice life raising flowers I realized that indeed, the meaning of what I mentioned before was more symbolic. It's more about seeing death as a 'deadline' of sorts (no pun intended) to get certain things done. Lyuze's comment on feeling happy that she didn't want to die really hit a chord with me. I was sad about Lyuze and Ohji, but well, those things were obvious. Finally, after skirting around it for 24 eps we learn that the world changed because both Luna and Casshern's blood mixing influenced both of them. The ending felt satisfying to me, even if it was over quickly. I didn't care much for Braiking Boss' relevance in all this, but well, I still think the show was pretty good and I won't nitpick that. It was really sweet to see a grown up Ringo! I do feel like her saying she will be around until Casshern comes coupled with Casshern's last words to Luna feel a bit like some doomsday thing, but it actually ended on a nice note. 8/10 for me. |
omakaseJan 26, 2018 6:04 PM
密室殺人はなぜ美しいのか。 |
Jan 28, 2018 1:29 AM
#38
Nice ending episode. Lyuze x Casshern seemed really nice ;( So Casshern becomes like a death machine for those who forget to cherish their eternal life? I dont think anything would warrant the pacing this show had but w/e |
Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
Jan 28, 2018 1:07 PM
#39
Episode 22 Both Leda and Dio seemed different this ep, probably because of the ruin advancing on them. But damn, Leda is a bitch. Not sure what happened to her with Luna there, but I guess it somehow relates back to how 'eternal life' and 'living' might not work together and it just becomes vegitating at a certain point of immortality. The Dio/Casshern scene was pretty nice too. Episode 23 I think this was the first time Casshern felt like there was meaning to him fighting since Dio kinda defines himself and feels alive through it. Certainly an interesting touch. The rest of the episode was mostly about the topic of mortality being what makes life worth living. This is a pretty common theme in fiction and especially anime and personally I see the references to 'struggle' just as a synonym for living, for being alive while defying death. Struggling against the passage of time because you know death waits at the end. But without death there is no struggle, no being alive, because nothing matters anymore. The theme is kinda generic at this point but I think what this show tried to do differently about it is pretty interesting. Usually you see that philosophy just come from humans who are inherently biased in the question because struggling to live is ingrained in our biological and cultural DNA so we have to see value in it, and it's treated like a kind of a priori truth a lot of the time. But here Casshern is an immortal robot with memory loss so he really starts as a blank slate and the show made him reach that conclusion very slowly, step by step just by him objectively analyzing his encounters and interactions with others and his own immortality. Some might say it's a bit trite to devote a whole 2-cour show to slowly and deliberately fleshing out such a basic and common concept/philosophy, but I actually like the in-depth approach. And the show had enough aesthetic appeal so not every episode had to have a strong impact on the main narrative and themes to still be enjoyable to watch. Also Leda was okay after all, or at least she could move again. Still not sure what happened with her last ep. I definitely wonder what'll happen in the last episode and if it'll throw off my whole interpretation. Casshern and the gang going their way, Leda and Dio going out in a Romeo & Juliet-esque manner and Luna finding a new king for her eternal empire in Braiking Boss seems like a perfect end point of the show for me, but I guess there will be one last conflict between the two camps? In that light I agree that Cassherns resolution not to fight anymore probably won't hold, but personally I'd prefer it if he really does end up not fighting anymore in the last ep. It would definitely make this ep feel more meaningful in the big picture. Episode 24 Man that scene with Lyuze dying was hard to watch, pretty depreesing stuff. But I liked that the show showed the ugly side of mortality as well. It's easy to spout platitudes from last ep but when faced with the death of a loved one immortality doesn't seem that bad anymore. As long as you can maintain a mortal perspective and don't forget what it feels like, immortality doesn't have to be a bad thing. And funnily enough Casshern seems to have come to the same conclusion I did because he kept Luna alive for those who seek her out while also warning them to forget about mortality and death. With him and her remaining the two constants of life and death in this world, it was a pretty nice ending, even if it was a bit too quick and vague, especially that bit at the end with Ringo saying she'll wait for Casshern. Overall this ending was thematically very well-rounded even if in terms of plot it was a bit sudden and vague. I still quite liked this episode, but I would say the big one was ep 23. This reminds me of Bebop in the sense that it had a strong thematic focus and even tho on the surface this had a more linear and continuous plot I really see it more as a series of encounters that highlighted and developed various aspects of the core themes very deliberately and with a focus on atmosphere, directing and good use of soundtracks. So I can't really complain about slow pacing because I think that deliberate approach is what made this feel different and made it a very interesting experience. Also 8/10 from me and I'm glad I picked this to be my next milestone. |
AlcoholicideJan 28, 2018 5:16 PM
I probably regret this post by now. |
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