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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- RIP kendo stick I still don't trust that Malleus girl at all especially at how she approached Ren again. Looks like this episode develops the relationship between Ren and Kasumi more. Ren and Marie also talk for the first time although it pretty short and still mysterious. Ren just can't catch a break...he gets attacked yet again lul |
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| It's shit someone delet this anime pls All this cut and/or needlessly edited content, the bizarre direction and pacing choices, are just painful to watch. And ofc, subs being a meme as always. Mercurius's and Valeria&Spinnes new scenes were passable, at least. also what was up with that kei exposition and where did it come from lol And ofc, subs being a meme as always. |
InsertanamehereOct 27, 2017 12:26 PM
| Awwww man. They ruined the Kasumi reveal. |
| None of it is making any sense so far. |
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| Kasumi just destroyed her kendo stick. She and Ren had a nice time at the fair. The first swastika has opened. Only seven remain. |
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| Things are happening so fast that if I wasn´t a VN reader I don´t think I could get or enjoy some of the scenes. The Rusalka conversation was so butchered/rushed (and here I was looking forward for more Rusalka screen time) and the Kasumi reveal lacked all the impact it was supposed to have, since the foreshadowing was pratically shoehorned in the first half of the episode instead of built up gradually. Nevertheless I still enjoyed the episode and finally Mercurius had some well-deserved prose time. Easily the best scene of the episode (and of the anime so far) for me. Also, 3 episodes in and the LDO members aka nazis still haven´t mentioned the name Zarathustra. I guess it is another thing to be shoehorn in their next confrontation with Ren. And ofc CR does it again, by calling Beatrice (Kircheisen) as lord instead of lady. Lol. |
KaitonOct 27, 2017 3:32 PM
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| Kasumi's reveal wasn't done well, but I must say that the Throne scene was amazing, literally best thing in this adaptation so far. I wonder if we'll get to see Hajun, somehow. Can't wait for Shirou to finally make his grand entrance. |
| I could use a bit of help. So there once were some nazi's with supernatural powers or maybe some type of gods playing a game? Let's take Kasumi for example. Is she one of those nazi's reborn or is someone/force embodying her, or is it something else entirely? Thanks for the help. |
modboy said: Is she one of those nazi's reborn nope modboy said: or is someone/force embodying her kind of they really should explain next episode or so in full but idk if they'll do it right (probably not judging by the anime so far lol) |
| Oh God, they cut a big chunk of Rusalka's scene, and that could clear some of the confusion. They also revealed the true nature of Mercurius way too early... but the Throne scene was amazing so it gets a pass from me. The scenes with Ren and Kasumi's relationship were nice. They could have really kept the reveal for a couple more seconds, damn, IMO it would have had a bigger impact. The subs were amazing as always. /s For those who didn't understand the 'Kasumi is the murderer' thing: Basically, the magic here runs on souls. The more you have, the better (the quality of souls also matter), and Ren needed souls to get more powerful. So he, unknowingly, makes Kasumi his surrogate, giving her his powers so she can murder people and get souls for him. Again, all of this was done without Ren's awareness by Mercurius so Ren can get stronger so he can fight the 'nazis'. Why? Well, it gets complicated and kinda spoilery, but if someone wants to know I'll tell them. |
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| Seriously what's the point of this anime beside being edgy? Gonna be first drop of this season |
| Did they just show Merc on the throne ? LOL |
| They reveal Merc nature way too early, you don't discover who merc really until the third route and you don't see him in action until the until the very final battle, still the shot of him sitting on the throne with all the galaxies was badass as hell so i won't complain about that, we never got clear view on the throne even in the VN Kasumi's reveal even in the VN was bit weird and they didn't put enough hints, now why would he run into the accident screaming kasumi is beyond me, some stuff they do is very stupid and doesn't make sense They are all over the place, if that the case i wonder if they will show us hajun in the end overall as VN reader i enjoyed the episode |
Devil_Slayer said: They are all over the place, if that the case i wonder if they will show us hajun in the end Isn't Hajun part of the Kajiri Kamui Kagura visual novel. I know there are some relations between DI and KKK, but why would he appear here if he didn't appear in the vn? |
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modboy said: I could use a bit of help. So there once were some nazi's with supernatural powers or maybe some type of gods playing a game? Let's take Kasumi for example. Is she one of those nazi's reborn or is someone/force embodying her, or is it something else entirely? Thanks for the help. Basically all those crazy nazi were given those supernatural power by Karl Kraft "well he have many names but he goes mostly by Mercurius" it's the guy who was sitting on the throne in middle of space, however their power didn't come for free, Mercurius fucked them over and most of them have regret from the past they want to fix and he promised them to grant their wish if they wish this battle in Swahara city As for kasumi, in Dies Irae characters have something called Holy Relics "you can count them as Nobel Phantasm" it give them supernatural power, you can power up those weapons by putting spirit inside it which require killing people, so in short the more you kill the stronger you get I could go into more detail but post will be too long and there something they are yet to explain in the anime |
Devil_SlayerOct 27, 2017 1:26 PM
| LMAO talk about read the visual novel mindset, they could have atleast said why kasumi was killing, she needed to gather souls to powerup ren. |
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| I liked the first two episodes but this one was kinda meh... the pacing was a mess and the whole thing about Kasumi was way too rushed unfortunatly. The Mercurius sitting on the throne bit was amazing tho. |
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ovy7 said: Devil_Slayer said: They are all over the place, if that the case i wonder if they will show us hajun in the end Isn't Hajun part of the Kajiri Kamui Kagura visual novel. I know there are some relations between DI and KKK, but why would he appear here if he didn't appear in the vn? KKK is sequel for DI take place in the same universe but in the far distant future, Hajun did appear during the events of DI but they don't show it in the VN yes, we never saw Merc sitting on the throne in the actual novel so i though they may do us some fanservice and show us Hajun DI author didn't though of KKK yet when he made DI first |
| The cut Rusalka scenes in the beginning of this episode will be added in the BDs. Here are some scenes that were cut for the Rusalka fans: https://twitter.com/masada_takashi/status/923948640174927872 |
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Devil_Slayer said: ovy7 said: Isn't Hajun part of the Kajiri Kamui Kagura visual novel. I know there are some relations between DI and KKK, but why would he appear here if he didn't appear in the vn? KKK is sequel for DI take place in the same universe but in the far distant future, Hajun did appear during the events of DI but they don't show it in the VN yes, we never saw Merc sitting on the throne in the actual novel so i though they may do us some fanservice and show us Hajun DI author didn't though of KKK yet when he made DI first I thought it was more of a 'what if' scenario that was averted by , or at least that's what I understood from the internet. And yeah, Mercurius on the Throne was definitely fanservice. |
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| I feel like I have to read the VN to even get into this but since this anime has failed in every possible aspect to even make me remotely curious about what happens in the source, it's time to banish this from my mind altogether. Again, the only good thing about this series is the OST including the OP and ED. Another one for the drop bucket. |
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ovy7 said: Devil_Slayer said: KKK is sequel for DI take place in the same universe but in the far distant future, Hajun did appear during the events of DI but they don't show it in the VN yes, we never saw Merc sitting on the throne in the actual novel so i though they may do us some fanservice and show us Hajun DI author didn't though of KKK yet when he made DI first I thought it was more of a 'what if' scenario that was averted by , or at least that's what I understood from the internet. And yeah, Mercurius on the Throne was definitely fanservice. KKK is like Saint Seiya Omega if you know what i mean |
| First of all the series is indeed complicated, do you have to watch episode 0 to understand? Okayy so Kasumi is a holy relic that needs to kill people for powering up Ren? Did someone took over her soul, the Merc guy, or is her sole purpose in life giving power to Ren? Thanks in advance! |
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| The only thing this has going for itself is the glorious soundtrack |
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| woah, this went alot faster than i thought. I thought Kasumi going berserk was gonna be for next episode. Also there was supposed to be a chase scene on the bridge where Wilhelm and Rusalka try to catch Kasumi but failed. RIP chase scene. They just blazed through probably the part where non-VN readers could understand whats going on without, the Rusalka scene, which is sad. It was supposed to be info dump scene where the reader starts to get a somewhat vague idea of what's going and what the Nazis want. And as much as i like Kasumi, i doubt anyone will care about her given that they sped through the parts where you learn about her and her relationship with Ren. I managed to pick up the ques on that only with my VN knowledge. And i can already hear people screaming asspull when Ren somehow managed to pacify Kasumi. It isnt. ovy7 's comment explains it. Granted, Kei did explain it to Ren albeit in a rushed and somewhat vague manner. ovy7 said: For those who didn't understand the 'Kasumi is the murderer' thing: Basically, the magic here runs on souls. The more you have, the better (the quality of souls also matter), and Ren needed souls to get more powerful. So he, unknowingly, makes Kasumi his surrogate, giving her his powers so she can murder people and get souls for him. Again, all of this was done without Ren's awareness by Mercurius so Ren can get stronger so he can fight the 'nazis'. Why? Well, it gets complicated and kinda spoilery, but if someone wants to know I'll tell them. I swear every time i come to the episode discussion for this show i feel like im playing damage control for non-VN readers. Do other VN readers feel the same? I really liked this series, but the anime is just so... sighs @Admiral_Carapils No, it will just confuse more actually. Episode 0 is a side story you're not supposed to watch until later in the story. Not Kasumi, but rather the one possesing her is the one killing people to power up Ren. Ovy7's comment explains it. @Whoahoho The neck scar is a sign that he officially takes ownership of the power Kasumi was using. It stopped hurting him when he stopped being afraid of it cause it was supposed to be Ren's power in the first place. As for why Kasumi went berserk, ill sum it up as Ren's power desperately want to kill people in order to power up for it's master. Hopefully next episode they'll explain it better. |
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Devil_Slayer said: ovy7 said: I thought it was more of a 'what if' scenario that was averted by , or at least that's what I understood from the internet. And yeah, Mercurius on the Throne was definitely fanservice. KKK is like Saint Seiya Omega if you know what i mean I...don't. I've never watched Saint Seiya. Is it good? |
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Troll12345678966 said: Alright so wich one of you handsome ogaku devils is goibg to explain to me what in the shit that just happend because i sure as all hell does not have a single trace of a clue!! Line emm up boys!! OP so epic though! Here: For those who didn't understand the 'Kasumi is the murderer' thing: Basically, the magic here runs on souls. The more you have, the better (the quality of souls also matter), and Ren needed souls to get more powerful. So he, unknowingly, makes Kasumi his surrogate, giving her his powers so she can murder people and get souls for him. Again, all of this was done without Ren's awareness by Mercurius so Ren can get stronger so he can fight the 'nazis'. Why? Well, it gets complicated and kinda spoilery, but if someone wants to know I'll tell them. |
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Well it's alternative sequel for DI, the battle with hajun have two outcomes 1- Gods win = Go to Rea route 2-Hajun win = Go to KKK and Yeah Saint Seiya is good |
| With the type of storytelling the show seems to have, I'm going to assume things will make more sense the further along we get. I just hope the payoff is worth it in the end. |
| Right, so if I'm actually following this correctly (which is not especially likely with how all-over-the-place this is) Mercurius possessed Kasumi and made her kill people to help Ren get stronger and also to open that First Swastika thing, whatever that is (I'm assuming something to do with Heydrich, given that the Priest mentioned him after it opened). Yeah, I'm just gonna go with the flow at this point, cos it's obviously not going to become massively clear anytime soon. |
Atavistic said: Right, so if I'm actually following this correctly (which is not especially likely with how all-over-the-place this is) Mercurius possessed Kasumi and made her kill people to help Ren get stronger and also to open that First Swastika thing, whatever that is (I'm assuming something to do with Heydrich, given that the Priest mentioned him after it opened). Yeah, I'm just gonna go with the flow at this point, cos it's obviously not going to become massively clear anytime soon. You are correct. The swastikas should be explained a little later into the story, but they are some sort of seals that need to be open for the antagonist to use his full power. |
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| The sub is shit goddammit. |
| Thanks for clearing up my question but there is sth else i was wondering about: The guy with the blond hair and glasses, the priest, previous ep he was the father of the girl with the white hair and now he is working together with the nazi's? |
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Admiral_Carapils said: The guy with the blond hair and glasses, the priest, previous ep he was the father of the girl with the white hair and now he is working together with the nazi's? The priest is not the father of Rea, he is more like a father figure to her. I blame the subs for this, not the anime. And for working with the nazis: you already should know this as he appeared at the end of ep 1 with Rusalka(the red hair girl) and Bey(the white hair dude) under the bridge. In episode 2 he also speaks with Sakurai (the black hair girl) after the MC leaves the church. |
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ovy7 said: Admiral_Carapils said: The guy with the blond hair and glasses, the priest, previous ep he was the father of the girl with the white hair and now he is working together with the nazi's? The priest is not the father of Rea, he is more like a father figure to her. I blame the subs for this, not the anime. And for working with the nazis: you already should know this as he appeared at the end of ep 1 with Rusalka(the red hair girl) and Bey(the white hair dude) under the bridge. In episode 2 he also speaks with Sakurai (the black hair girl) after the MC leaves the church. Right thank you! Completely forgot the bridge scene! Thanks for clearing it up. |
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nekrot1co0 said: None of it is making any sense so far. I really like people who say that there is no sense at the moment and that it is confused. You got stuck on episode 0 or what? LDO's come to integrate Ren's life. He is asked to prepare for important things for the future. Some details will attack Ren's entourage. And why all this? We do not know, but you think that we will tell everything from the first episodes? it does not help to put suspense on it if you want to know everything from the beginning. That's all. I discover the visual novel with this anime and I understand what is happening, I guess to think about the details like the words of Mercurius or the Kasumi medal is too much for a lot of people. Episode 0 is a very confusing episode, but what is happening now, omg, there is nothing difficult to understand. The only thing I really regret is the rush that a lot of people know about the visual novel criticism, and I can understand because it's a shame. After, if the main events are present, it is just as profitable. |
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