I find something fishy with this dialog. Although it was not said directly, Araragi & Shinobu did something naughty after the events of Shinobu Mail. Remember this was around the time when they have problems with Nadeko being the snake god.
It seems that the cause of Araragi's vampire acceleration is not that he goes almost every day to the shrine and gets beaten by Nadeko consequently using his regenerative ability. It seems that during that time, Araragi & Shinobu did what we can call Vampire Mating almost regularly, that is blood sharing. Only vampire lovers should do this kind of thing. Kiss-Shot is a virtuous woman by Hanekawa's standard so it is understandable that she would allow Araragi to do it with her since he is technically her vampire mate.
KIZU: Hanekawa
“They say appetite and sexual desire resemble each other. Besides,
following that line of thinking, isn’t it clear why a vampire doesn’t
want that much to create a subordinate? In 500 years -- she had two
subordinates. I don’t know much about vampire’s idea of chastity, but
she has been a virtuous woman.”
“Virtuous?” (<- Araragi replied with this. Araragi you sly, I'm sure you are up to something when you learned this from Hanekawa... and probably did more than just vampire blood sharing with Shinobu.... You probably started planning this after you saw that Shinobu's mind went blank for a moment when you kissed her in Shinobu Time....)
In layman's terms it is exchange of bodily fluid which technically is having S_X. It did help him recover fast but It had an undesirable side effect. I don't know exactly which of them suggested it but I guess they both got carried away.
Breaking down the dialog........
Gaen herself is clueless why Shinobu/Kiss-Shot would choose to remain on Araragi's shadow or why Araragi would forfeit his chance of being human again. Gaen is wise enough to doubt and want to know the real reason:
"If you’ve got some sort of scheme in mind, please do share with the class.”
Of course Shinobu would not tell the real reason and throw away a laugh
"I am not scheming anything—I have long since tired of fighting, and I wish to gain your acknowledgement as harmless once again. Is that truly so difficult for a specialist to understand?"
"Kaka…"
Shinobu playing HARD TO GET with this statement.....
“Of course, after successfully ridding his body of all its vampire elements, if my master no longer wishes to become a vague existence neither human nor vampire, I shall retract my wish. After healing that arm of his, I shall hide myself away in a mountain to live the life of a hermit.”
Araragi quickly rejected the idea of letting Shinobu go away and not be with him.
"Not happening."
He then noted .....
"After that exchange, we swore never to repeat the mistake of accelerating my vampirization via our habit of blood stealing-turned-blood dealing, and we then restored our link for the third time."
It did not say that they will stop what they are doing but instead not repeat the same MISTAKE, meaning they will probably do it in moderation this time. Stealing - Shinobu drinking Araragi's blood. Dealing - Shinobu & Araragi drinking each other’s blood. Araragi already tasted Shinobu's blood and this is how he described it.
KIZU: Araragi
Her blood.
Kissshot Acerolaorion Heartunderblade’s blood -- was delicious beyond compare.
No matter the quantity -- I could keep drinking it forever.
I wanted to keep drinking it forever.
That’s how delicious it was.
This is how it feels when blood is sucked. This goes both ways. In KIZU, however, Kiss-shot is in pain because, Araragi's intent there is to kill. Below, even if Shinobu is angry at him, she drinks his blood passionately hence Araragi felt pleasure. In LN, Shinobu carefully licks Araragi's neck clean after drinking his blood.
KIZU: Araragi
As if she was also peevish, she showed some resistance -- but immediately
She became docile, and while still not saying a word she bit my neck.
A little pain. And then a sense of euphoria spread through my body.
Shinobu is such a naughty vampire!
Continuing with the dialog Araragi noted...
"No, perhaps she really did have no choice in matter. After all, I, at the very least, can no longer envision a future without Shinobu in it."
Implying, they are both really into it. It seems they can't just get enough of each other and could not live without each other anymore. They sure do know how to hide secrets.
After that...
"Of course, that doesn’t mean we’ve forgiven each other. Perhaps in 400 years’ time, there will come a day when we can forgive one another, and a day when we can forget about everything, but for now, call it complacency or call it compromise, call it collusion or call it clowning, that’s how it is between the two of us."
They so want to be together as long as possible. Talk about greed or better yet, after Araragi learned that he would go to hell when he dies, he decided that he might as well spend his eternity with Shinobu/kiss-Shot.
KIZU: Kiss-Shot
"Well, for vampires over 300 years old, there are no originals or subordinates anymore!"
After the 3rd pairing, the master-servant relationship is gone but once Shinobu drinks his blood again without killing him, it is given that the master-servant relationship will return. After 300 years , Araragi will forever lose his chance to become human again. Sealing of vampire powers only works if one of the pair still has any humanity left. If both of them becomes Legendary Vampires, even if their soul is linked, their vampire powers will not be sealed. That is the logic why, Araragi needs to retain at least some level of humanity.
I guess Araragi is really greedy. He is bad enough that he would go to hell. I do hope Hitagi would open her eyes and look for another man. She should hook up with Kaiki. She acts naturally in front of him and she can have a two way communication with him unlike with Araragi.
Araragi is already an oddity. There is no chance, even if they get married, that they would have offspring. Half-vampire maybe but from previous knowledge, I doubt Araragi would want that and Shinobu is not fool enough to adopt their offspring. Also, Araragi would have no time for her while he is preoccupied with Shinobu. The marriage would be tragic.
"Half-vampires are not accepted in both humanity and oddity side, so this circumstance leads Episode to hate vampires as well as humans."
A full Vampire offspring with Shinobu is most likely be his choice. After Shinobu got both heart-span and dream-span, she could easily reset Araragi’s so called humanity - although he can’t be called human at all after returning from Hell.
It was not logical when Gaen reasoned that Mayoi remained a ghost because her body had been cremated, while Araragi came back as human because he was not - nonsense, his body was completely obliterated, he was revived using dream-span as an oddity. If that is not the case, everybody can be revived as long as they are not cremated using dream-span.
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I just learned this after reading NISE LN, They were doing it since day one. It just so happens that things got out of control especially during Nadeko Medusa...
The condition of the pairing is that Araragi let Shinobu drink a certain amount of blood in order to survive. As blood accumulates, their vampire characteristics increases in proportion to that so there are times when Araragi needs to suck some of the blood out of Shinobu to alleviate those. Obvious signs that Araragi needs to do this is when they can no longer withstand the sun.
Conversely --- because Shinobu is my current provider Direct Energy unique qualities of the shadow, so the frequency is not high, as heretofore --- but if I refuse to Shinobu suck blood, then Shinobu will quickly die. A quick death, but she never thought of it when I was immortal.
.................... And Shinobu and I bite into each other's neck, both with each other bloodsucking --- just trying to adjust the balance.
Then.
We prepared all.
With full strength.
..............
Kagenui Ononoki-chan-san piggyback on her back, abandoned buildings left behind --- of course, after leaving the building, Kagenui-san will not set foot on the ground, jump from the fence, fence , barriers to travel. Whether Ononoki-chan piggyback on her back, but that sense of balance is not affected at all --- and then I bite into the neck of Shinobu to return the blood, then Shinobu turned back to shape of a girl, I also return to being close to human. Then I rode the bike, leaving Shinobu into the basket before, back home.
That is how they keep their vampire power in check.
There is no visual signs on Shinobu since she changes her form whenever she likes. Just like in Mayoi Jiangshi. It is not said in the Anime but in LN after they powered up to the maximum.
A: "Shinobu did not turn her body into the shape used for fights and comically remained a girl, two kokoro-watari over sized bar was propped on her shoulder."
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this is some hardcore shipper
don't get me wrong, you do you
But to me, Araragi and Shinobu bond don't involve romantic feeling
In one of the short story Nisio wrote, after having his "sweet time" with Hitagi, Shinobu have doubt that he wouldn't die with her anymore
she ask if her, Hanekawa, and Hitagi are about to die and you can only save one, who'd you pick?
Our protag thought for a moment then reply: "I'd save Hanekawa and ask her how to save the rest"
Shinobu then laugh and satisfy with that answer
agree that to Vampire, sucking blood is associate with sexual desire, but that doesn't mean they do it because they want to
He go the the shrine everyday to convince Nadeko, so he need powerup through blood, that's all
about the KokoroWatari, it doesn't revive human, it revive oddity, Hachikuji is a lost cow, so obviously she would return as such
Araragi case is a bit more complicate, he indeed fall under the oddity category, but the moment he die, Shinobu turn fullfledge vampire and he back to human
so, when he got revive, it'd not make sense if Shinobu once again lost her power and the like
Hard disagree, did you completely ignore that shinobu wanted to die and her being kept alive by araragi is punishment ?
Of course, that doesn’t mean we’ve forgiven each other. Perhaps in 400 years’ time, there will come a day when we can forgive one another, and a day when we can forget about everything, but for now, call it complacency or call it compromise, call it collusion or call it clowning, that’s how it is between the two of us. said:
I don't think you truly understand shinobu's character in her original form only her childish childlike form.