| 1. While a one-sided love, there's a parallel between what happened with Messer and Kaname. Messer loved Kaname's singing and had an affinity with her voice that allowed him to control the var. Hayate loves Freyja's singing and resonates naturally with her. 2. Get ready for the twists! It's time for a change (Δ) in Macross tradition. I really think the younger looking girl will win. But I would also like to make a point that in relative age, Freyja is way older than Mirage. She's at the mid-point of her lifespan, which makes her middle-aged, an old hag! Hayate will want to die young when he realizes his "waifu" turns "baa-san" when he's only 30 years old. 3. So far, we know Freyja has been the only woman shown to make Hayate flustered. This occurred right after he touched her rune. I might look like a fool right now, and I will gladly eat crow if I'm wrong at the end of this. I just really want to question which of these girls really is older. Then again, age is only a state of mind. ;) |
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| #2 is the big reason, imagine all of the heartbroken viewers if Freyja did not win, you can't let such a cute girl die with no love, she deserves Hayate for that reason alone. |
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| I too believe Freyja will win. Delta in maths does mean variation and (even) difference, therefore there could be such a case to change the usual outcomes. |
| I voted for Freyja too. As much as I like Mirage's character (she needs to start showing skill improvement though!), her interactions with Hayate had been only on a co-worker level so far. Talking about other co-workers, working together, career paths, etc. Maybe that will change once we know more about Hayate's father. |
| If you put Freyja into human age, she's 42 right now. It's kinda creepy, lol. I think it will break many heart if the writer doesn't do something with his writer pen to prolong Freyja's life. |
Hoppy said: #2 is the big reason, imagine all of the heartbroken viewers if Freyja did not win, you can't let such a cute girl die with no love, she deserves Hayate for that reason alone. So she deserves Hayate out of pity because she'll die in his lifetime? |
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judemathis said: The way the writer treats mirage until the latest episode makes me think that freyja will win. Actually i hope for mirage..but well.. it's not for me to choose. Still...voted for mirage XD You don't understand the Macross tradition then, if you get less focus now like Mirage and Freyja gets more focus it's a bigger chance Mirage will make a comeback in later episodes even though it feels like Freyja is winning right now. |
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Tenth said: judemathis said: The way the writer treats mirage until the latest episode makes me think that freyja will win. Actually i hope for mirage..but well.. it's not for me to choose. Still...voted for mirage XD You don't understand the Macross tradition then, if you get less focus now like Mirage and Freyja gets more focus it's a bigger chance Mirage will make a comeback in later episodes even though it feels like Freyja is winning right now. That's terrible writing when Mirage has most of her episodes being just a few lines. She barely has any development and for her to win all of a sudden in the end makes no sense when it took multiple episodes for Freyja and Hayate to develop. |
FlamingMangos said: Tenth said: You don't understand the Macross tradition then, if you get less focus now like Mirage and Freyja gets more focus it's a bigger chance Mirage will make a comeback in later episodes even though it feels like Freyja is winning right now. That's terrible writing when Mirage has most of her episodes being just a few lines. She barely has any development and for her to win all of a sudden in the end makes no sense when it took multiple episodes for Freyja and Hayate to develop.  (guess who wins?) MACROSS. Tradition. |
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Fai said: FlamingMangos said: That's terrible writing when Mirage has most of her episodes being just a few lines. She barely has any development and for her to win all of a sudden in the end makes no sense when it took multiple episodes for Freyja and Hayate to develop. (guess who wins?) MACROSS. Tradition. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Don't make me laugh. |
judemathis said: Tenth said: You don't understand the Macross tradition then, if you get less focus now like Mirage and Freyja gets more focus it's a bigger chance Mirage will make a comeback in later episodes even though it feels like Freyja is winning right now. I understand the tradition...i followed this series since the 1st SDFM..but still i'm afraid.. Cus her position doesn't look so good now. There's only 8 eps left, i hope mirage will get her comeback soon. Yeah that's true, this is my first Macross I've watched weekly so it's kinda nerve wrecking having to wait each week for development to happen when previously I binged watched all of Macross years ago. |
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| The Macross tradition will forever not change bro. Whatsmore the more you hope for, the more it will not happen. Mirage will win. Given the early interaction between Freyja and Hayate, it pretty obvious that they will focus more on Mirage and Hayate in the later series. Episode 19 is the best example, a new interaction with Mirage. Hayate may not notice at first but he will eventually, just like the case with Freyja. Just to make things clear with the scene during Freyja birthday, Hayate didn't really notice "that" feeling and only flusttered abit. Not until the next episode at the freaking backstage, he just notice "that" TINY bit only and continues to fluster again. So Hayate's feeling for Freyja is pretty vague and unsure. One of the biggest reason why Freyja cannot win is because of her lifespan, her life is too short to have a full-fletch romance. She is also very dedicated to her walkure group and her singing dreams. (don't forget about the windermere stuffs also) MOST LIKELY THE EPILOGUE WILL GO LIKE THIS--> After knowing Mirage love for Hayate, Freyja decided to give up because of her short life. She wishes the happiness of Mirage & Hayate, and dedicated her life into singing as a walkure for the peace and happiness of the universe until the very end of her life. Freyja will become a legend, the end. A new macross series born after that and a new singer follow the footstep of ALL macross series legends which include Freyja in there. |
valvravetruthAug 7, 2016 12:33 PM
valvravetruth said: The Macross tradition will forever not change bro. Whatsmore the more you hope for, the more it will not happen. Mirage will win. Given the early interaction between Freyja and Hayate, it pretty obvious that they will focus more on Mirage and Hayate in the later series. Episode 19 is the best example, a new interaction with Mirage. Hayate may not notice at first but he will eventually, just like the case with Freyja. Just to make things clear with the scene during Freyja birthday, Hayate didn't really notice "that" feeling and only flusttered abit. Not until the next episode at the freaking backstage, he just notice "that" TINY bit only and continues to fluster again. So Hayate's feeling for Freyja is pretty vague and unsure. One of the biggest reason why Freyja cannot win is because of her lifespan, her life is too short to have a full-fletch romance. She is also very dedicated to her walkure group and her singing dreams. (don't forget about the windermere stuffs also) MOST LIKELY THE EPILOGUE WILL GO LIKE THIS--> After knowing Mirage love for Hayate, Freyja decided to give up because of her short life. She wishes the happiness of Mirage & Hayate, and dedicated her life into singing as a walkure for the peace and happiness of the universe until the very end of her life. Freyja will become a legend, the end. A new macross series born after that and a new singer follow the footstep of ALL macross series legends which include Freyja in there. you are a good writer you know that XD what I read in your post is no more than hopes... since episode 1 Hayate is the one who was following Frejya around, he even came to Ragna & followed her..if this wasn't an interest or curiosity I dunno what to call it.. Not to forget is that whenever Frejya feels depressed, Hayate will be the first one to encourage her..if this is not love, I dunno what shall I call it.. Moreover, In episode 20 .. your dear Mirage has finally realized (at least to me) that Hayate and Frejya are meant to be together that's why she gathered her courage and pushed them together to continue doing what they like while supporting each other.. |
hana_sanAug 15, 2016 9:45 AM
judemathis said: Who's to say Hayate can't have both? We know Freya race has a very short lifespan. Hayate could have 10-15 happy years with her, with a couple happy kids. When Freya passes away, then he can and Mirage could get together and live out the rest of their lives together. Mirage would be late-20s, early 30s when Hayate would become a widower, still a lot of time for them to have more kids. The way the writer treats mirage until the latest episode makes me think that freyja will win. Actually i hope for mirage..but well.. it's not for me to choose. Still...voted for mirage XD This is a win-win for everyone in this situation. Now my only question is who is this Mrs. M that has been referred to throughout the series? |
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-Janet said: Gaahhh I haven't seen this weeks episode but Hana_san you have the best post :D Let the Fre Fre x Haya Haya ship continue sailing !!! Thank you, I'm proud to hear that as a shipper XD You know, I haven't shipped an anime couple passionately since watching Bleach (ichigo x rukia) .. coz it's hard to find a natural relationship in anime nowadays, and to me Frejya & Hayate relationship seems so natural & cool which attracted me to it since episode 1, it was the Same with bleach... So, I hope that we will get a satisfying ending ^^ @alterzero, thank you ^^ your post seems neutral and honest, I hope to see more honest people like you, because as you said, till this moments freXhayate are obvious to the watchers & it's had to deny it .. Anyway, six more episodes & we will know ^^ |
| I would dream for Hayate and Mirage to be a pair but people seam to like Freyja more but I dislike her allot but then again must be my age. ButI find Freyja annoying immature and she just makes me irritated. I bet ff I found a girl like that irl I would dislike her as much but hey every one can´t like the same type of girls. Also another reason I wished for Mirage to win she is part of the Jenius family and my favorite has always been Milia and I liked the the Zentradi human relationship. |
SwordBreaker36Aug 16, 2016 3:59 PM
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hana_san said: since episode 1 Hayate is the one who was following Frejya around, he even came to Ragna & followed her..if this wasn't an interest or curiosity I dunno what to call it.. Not to forget is that whenever Frejya feels depressed, Hayate will be the first one to encourage her..if this is not love, I dunno what shall I call it.. So just like Hikaru and Minmay then :^) So what you are saying is that they are great siblings. :^) Moreover, In episode 20 .. your dear Mirage has finally realized (at least to me) that Hayate and Frejya are meant to be together that's why she gathered her courage and pushed them together to continue doing what they like while supporting each other.. And for me it is obvious that Hayate is semi-aware of Freya's feelings but intentionally ignores them because he only sees her as a sister and does not want to hurt her feelings. That's some strong shipper goggles here. It always fascinates me how teenagers minds and perception are affected by shipping. The cringe is real. Srsly tho, this is not tumblr. Arguments pls. |
AhenshihaelAug 17, 2016 1:23 AM
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StarrieNite said: One point abt this anime is that it does not tell the inner thoughts of characters, so the only way for pure anime watchers to know what they are feeling is through the changes in facial expression. ORZ Because of that, it can be quite hard to know what Hayate thinks of Freya and Mirage. On the other hand. the light novel is much clearer abt Hayate's feelings. For eg, he was attracted to the voice in the container and when he saved Freyja, even he himself don't really understand why he did that. And when Freya was turning and saying that she will not go back home (the scene before she fell), Hayate felt that she was someone that can bring him out of darkness. 😊 So although it is not really clear in the anime, there is a very strong hint in the LN that he likes her since the start of their meeting. Your are right, but for me as a visual watcher who prefers anime/manga over novel, I'm used to these types of characters... And to me it was obvious that Hayate was attracted to Freyja during their first meeting .. Within many episodes, it showed how much Hayate was overprotective over Freyja (like when the kids stick the watch in her hand or when Mirage talked about how did her grandmother/father get married, he got mad at her for putting a pressure on Freyja) these little moments show Hayate's feeling I believe.. [/quote] The reason why he seems so dense in the anime is probably because he doesn't know what love feels like, plus he probably didn't think of himself as a person that others will like. XD [/quote] I agree with you on that, even Freyja at the beginning she didn't know why her songs & rune shines along with Hayate until she realizes her feelings for him...if we remember, when she started working in Walkure, she couldn't sing well until she witness Hayate flying and got motivation to bring out her best singing ..it was the same with Hayate flying issues.. @Fai So just like Hikaru and Minmay then :^) Here is Macross delta discussion though ^^ Not with the tradition thing again please... Any capable writer can create many stories with different & unique characters .. So if you want to say is that the same writer will follow the same routine of previous macross series.. then it will show nothing but failure of writing skills & creativity... So what you are saying is that they are great siblings. :^) No, siblings don't blush at each other and show affections like lovers...only if that means a licentious siblings ... And for me it is obvious that Hayate is semi-aware of Freya's feelings but intentionally ignores them because he only sees her as a sister and does not want to hurt her feelings. Ignores them?! can you just justify that & show the exact scene? That's some strong shipper goggles here. It always fascinates me how teenagers minds and perception are affected by shipping. The cringe is real. Srsly tho, this is not tumblr. Arguments pls Too bad, I'm old enough to know the difference between facts of the story and theories that people are making in hope of sticking Mirage & Hayate together out of no where... At least we have discussed something happened already in the episodes not clinging on an vague twist called Macross tradition & bet on it like a game.. Feeling is not a game that will change in a moment.. it's not realistic .. it can gradually change, but it needs time & effort .... And the writer gave Hayate & Freyja most of his attention, so if he is not planning to make them happen, why wasting all of his time & effort? |
hana_sanAug 17, 2016 8:49 AM
Fai said: That's some strong shipper goggles here. It always fascinates me how teenagers minds and perception are affected by shipping. The cringe is real. Srsly tho, this is not tumblr. Arguments pls. I've been noticing you always bringing up traditions as your argument so, it's rather ironic you calling people having shipping goggles when you're the one with this so called tradition goggle. It's not even like your argument was good in the beginning anyways when you can only rely on "muh traditions." |
FlamingMangos said: Fai said: That's some strong shipper goggles here. It always fascinates me how teenagers minds and perception are affected by shipping. The cringe is real. Srsly tho, this is not tumblr. Arguments pls. I've been noticing you always bringing up traditions as your argument so, it's rather ironic you calling people having shipping goggles when you're the one with this so called tradition goggle. It's not even like your argument was good in the beginning anyways when you can only rely on "muh traditions." Traditions are real thing and have confirmation of multiple shows in Macross franchise. Shipping is just a phase young teenagers go through on tumblr. |
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Fai said: FlamingMangos said: I've been noticing you always bringing up traditions as your argument so, it's rather ironic you calling people having shipping goggles when you're the one with this so called tradition goggle. It's not even like your argument was good in the beginning anyways when you can only rely on "muh traditions." Traditions are real thing and have confirmation of multiple shows in Macross franchise. Shipping is just a phase young teenagers go through on tumblr. You act like you're totally fine with traditions when it's clearly just bad writing when the writer is limited to what he can write and his work can be extremely predictable. I do not hear any complaints from you and you seem to accept it pretty well. Why? If you truly believe in the traditions then you should be against it. Why would you like stories to be limited by traditions and easily predictable? |
FlamingMangosAug 17, 2016 11:42 PM
| Well we all can hope for the one we root for the be the one who becomes a pair but in the end it´s all up to the writers then does who can and will can do there fan fiction. |
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| I still believe that freyja will get a bad end |
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hana_san said: valvravetruth said: The Macross tradition will forever not change bro. Whatsmore the more you hope for, the more it will not happen. Mirage will win. Given the early interaction between Freyja and Hayate, it pretty obvious that they will focus more on Mirage and Hayate in the later series. Episode 19 is the best example, a new interaction with Mirage. Hayate may not notice at first but he will eventually, just like the case with Freyja. Just to make things clear with the scene during Freyja birthday, Hayate didn't really notice "that" feeling and only flusttered abit. Not until the next episode at the freaking backstage, he just notice "that" TINY bit only and continues to fluster again. So Hayate's feeling for Freyja is pretty vague and unsure. One of the biggest reason why Freyja cannot win is because of her lifespan, her life is too short to have a full-fletch romance. She is also very dedicated to her walkure group and her singing dreams. (don't forget about the windermere stuffs also) MOST LIKELY THE EPILOGUE WILL GO LIKE THIS--> After knowing Mirage love for Hayate, Freyja decided to give up because of her short life. She wishes the happiness of Mirage & Hayate, and dedicated her life into singing as a walkure for the peace and happiness of the universe until the very end of her life. Freyja will become a legend, the end. A new macross series born after that and a new singer follow the footstep of ALL macross series legends which include Freyja in there. you are a good writer you know that XD what I read in your post is no more than hopes... since episode 1 Hayate is the one who was following Frejya around, he even came to Ragna & followed her..if this wasn't an interest or curiosity I dunno what to call it.. Not to forget is that whenever Frejya feels depressed, Hayate will be the first one to encourage her..if this is not love, I dunno what shall I call it.. Moreover, In episode 20 .. your dear Mirage has finally realized (at least to me) that Hayate and Frejya are meant to be together that's why she gathered her courage and pushed them together to continue doing what they like while supporting each other.. Well at least the current story can go my theory route for now. Really curious now to see how this will end. |
valvravetruthSep 11, 2016 10:04 AM
kickmesign said: It's time for a change (Δ) in Macross tradition. And here's to more to come! Kanpai! Loved that ending, I just really wish I'd never come here and read Fai's posts that made me think it couldn't happen :D |
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