Most iconic works and characters / suggestions

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Question: What are we going to do with the list we currently have? Are we going to re-evaluate them?

I think it would be better to do that first before suggesting new one so we can filter which ones are hot and not if we are trying to do quality over quantity.

Dec 14, 2015 9:34 AM

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IndexXx said:
Question: What are we going to do with the list we currently have? Are we going to re-evaluate them?

I think it would be better to do that first before suggesting new one so we can filter which ones are hot and not if we are trying to do quality over quantity.

There is no way to filter the list we have and I am not keen in cutting it down after all the effort we put into making the list. However...

What we can do (and what I wish to do as well) is to make a list clearly visible in layout (if it doesn't take too much space) or in the thread if loading time is a issue, that will consist the top-10 or most iconic show.

If there is someone willing to make a mini banners (must be smaller than ones we have in our signatures, I guess 310 pixels in width and 100 in height max) for the top 10, it will certainly find to the layout.

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Dec 14, 2015 10:55 AM

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beast_regards said:

There is no way to filter the list we have and I am not keen in cutting it down after all the effort we put into making the list.

You have a point. but I would like to see how it works first. I have new loli from my recent watched series. Ofc, I would like to keep the thread clean this time and I wanted to know the process.

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> We should break it down into multiple sections in a forum thread, e.g.:

"Massive Collection of Lolis"
- We attempt to list all the lolis of MAL and the anime in which they appear.

"True Lolis"
- We list only the most qualified/iconic/cutest lolis.
- Only "true" lolis (no borderline-loli petite girls, no loli-like oppai-monsters, etc.)
(e.g. YES to Chino Kafuu , NO to Sora Kasugano)

"True Loli Anime"
- We list only anime with true lolis as MCs and a central aspect to the show.
(e.g. YES to Ro-Kyu-Bu!, NO to Seikon no Qwaser)

etc.

> Then, mirror the "Top Lolis" and "Top Loli Anime" to the club relations section.
If there are still too many of these, we can vote for the Top 30 Anime, Top 30 Manga, and Top 30 Lolis.
Also, we can opt to list one season per franchise.

An example of a well managed list: The Ultimate Cute Girls Doing Cute Things (CGDCT) Thread

As with that example, we can make different standards for "True Lolis" and "Pure Loli Anime" as welll as a broader standard to include borderline lolis and anime featuring lolis.

We should make a thread, reserve the first few posts, and then have open suggestions and discussion below.

"The Ultimate Loli List Thread"
Post 1: Definitions, Rules, and Standards
Post 2: True Lolis
Post 3: True Loli Anime
Post 4: True Loli Manga
Post 5: Massive List of Lolis
Post 6: Massive List of Loli Anime
Post 7: Massive List of Loli Manga

Posts 10+: suggestions and discussion.

We could also combine some posts (e.g. 2+5) and then break the posts up into sub-sections
Post 2: List of Lolis
Post 3: List of Loli Anime
Post 4: List of Loli Manga

In post 2:
- List of True Lolis
- List of all Lolis

In post 3:
- List of Loli Anime
- List of Anime with Lolis

In post 4:
- List of Loli Manga
- List of Manga with Lolis

The idea behind the "Most iconic works and characters / suggestions" thread can then be applied to fill it up:
- Suggest a loli/anime/manga/game.
- Suggest whether it qualifies for the "True" list or "General" list.
- Explain why said character/work qualifies for that category.

We should not allow hentai on that list. -- porn should not be mixed in with content suitable for general viewing.
The perverts can make their own thread. (preferably in another club that caters more to those interests.)

We can have separate threads for non-MAL content like VNs/Eroge, Doujins/Web Manga, etc.

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Dec 14, 2015 2:53 PM

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Ok I got it, so when are we going to start?.. I guess we already used post 1~6 now xD

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Well, that's just my suggestion.

If beast_regards agrees with it, I suppose he could always delete our posts and restructure this thread as needed, since he's the club admin.

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Agree.

Dec 14, 2015 6:23 PM

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Wellz you just have to make a new thread i guess? Or re-insert the previous post in the new thread.

Lucky Stars - One of the first loli shown in TV (i guess), everyone know this anime and i think it should be added tin the top loli anime.

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If beast_regards agrees with it, I suppose he could always delete our posts and restructure this thread as needed, since he's the club admin.

I do agree with it as it provides an necessary structure to my idea, even though I would probably need to help this set up unless this is going to be split in the several threads. This thread should consist the links, definition and ultimately, the results.

Are you willing to help me to set this up? I will eventually start changing this thread and deleting posts (or even other threads, like the favourite characters, as we will have it covered other way) - but not before everything is set up.

I would however point up that anything touching massive connection is, by definition of it, our club relation at the moment - so I would reduce the effort to thread 1 - 5. (characters, anime, manga, game + master thread)

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Dec 15, 2015 3:45 PM

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Well, I say we can do everything in one thread - just reserve a few posts at the top so that you don't hit the 65535 character limit if the list gets long and everything is in the OP.

I would've really liked to help - I mean it: anything to spread the greatness of lolis.
BUT, my life is going to suck for a while and I really won't be able to.

So the best I can do is provide a little guidance here and there, but you'll probably be seeing less of me as my leisure time evaporates into thin air.

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VBS said:
Well, I say we can do everything in one thread - just reserve a few posts at the top so that you don't hit the 65535 character limit if the list gets long and everything is in the OP

So the best I can do is provide a little guidance here and there, but you'll probably be seeing less of me as my leisure time evaporates into thin air.

Can do. And will. I would eventually need your feedback on definition which show does fit (for example a lot of harem shows will, as long as there is a loli as one of the main characters that receives a notable portion of screen time)

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Dec 16, 2015 12:43 PM

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beast_regards said:

This is about differentiating between:
> "loli anime" - Anime series where the loli factor is central to the show: so significant it makes the show into what it is.
> "anime with lolis" - There are loli characters, but the loli factor doesn't make the show into what it is.

That will have to depend on:
1. How loli they are. ("True" lolis v.s. borderline lolis)
2. How many are lolis.
3. How significant the lolis are in the story.

e.g.

Shows like Ro-KyuBu! and Black Bullet obviously count as most of the characters are lolis and the entire focus of the story is on them.

P.S. I've revised my original structure suggestion, please re-read my first post.

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Dec 17, 2015 12:02 AM

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VBS said:
P.S. I've revised my original structure suggestion, please re-read my first post.

It would probably need to cover examples like Shinobu Oshino from Monogatari or Mina from Dance in Vampire Bund etc.
They doesn't fill the age requirement and they behavior isn't usually childish, but their match the appearance and are the main characters of the show. They are main characters and suggested to be lifetime partners to male lead (even though Shinobu is patient about this as she can afford to wait until her opposition dies off). They appearance can also change at certain circumstances, they however appear loli at default.

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Dec 17, 2015 11:41 AM

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beast_regards said:

VBS said:
P.S. I've revised my original structure suggestion, please re-read my first post.

In this case, are we even considering their age? As you know loli vampire are not the only ones who doesn't age here despite of their loli features.. Astarte of Strike the blood and Fear Kubrick of C3 are not even vampires. Astarte is a homunculus, Fear is a weapon who transforms into a cute loli.. (I don't even know her age xD). So how are we going to categorize them?

Dec 17, 2015 1:26 PM

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beast_regards said:

I guess we shouldn't, but right now we are trying to put together a definition.
Age shouldn't be on criteria too much as many stories find the excuse for having a legal loli.

Fear Kubrick must be around 400 years old. Give or take. She is (originally) an torture tool of Inquisition if I recall correctly. Appearance aside, she is also a main character of the show and central to the show (only reason she isn't a main romance option is that writer ditched the romance completely off the show, otherwise Fear is getting attention female lead would). She got the appearance and sometimes even the mannerism, if she feels like it.

On the other hand, Astarte isn't central to the show and is merely side character of Strike the Blood. She can be easily turned off it and have a little screen time. Natsuki gets more attention of the show and more instrumental of the plot, plus has the looks, but still isn't a main character either.

Btw Terminus Est from Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance is sentient sword :-D (or elemental spirit?)

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Dec 17, 2015 4:36 PM

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I think the best way is to start this now and modify the rules while discussing the entries. That way we can finalize/categorize every one of them and we'll have a better idea which one belongs to what category. :3

Dec 17, 2015 8:31 PM

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I would define lolis by appearance with behaviour as a consideres, but less important factor.
As this is a loli club and not a pedo club - we care about youthful-looking characters, not specifically children.

As for Levels:
Shinobu is cute and certainly looks the part of a true loli by default - so I say we can count her.
The story of most ~monogatari series anime doesn't focus enough of her that I'd be comfortable classifying it as a "loli anime" despite her being the most important character in that she forms the basis for the plot.

That's why I suggested levels. We can list all the monogatari anime as "anime with lolis", but most are not "pure" enough to call "loli anime"

As for Dance in Vampire Bund, it's also not really a "pure loli anime" in that there's no emphasis on the loli factor, but the fact that Mina is the main focus for the entire series makes me lean towards counting it.

C3 can be counted as the whole series is essentially about Fear (pure loli).

I oppose counting loli characters like Ibuki Hinata as "pure" lolis, as they don't display the "essense of pute loli cuteness" through their conduct, despite looking the part.
Characters like this are still lolis, but are somewhat less loli than characters like Fear and Chino which invoke an overwhelming urge for cuddles and headpats.
So we can list them as lolis, but only in the broader sense.

The idea here being that, should someone new come to the thread to look for lolis and loli anime, they can prioritize those with higher levels of loli-goodness to watch first.

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