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Jul 14, 2015 2:16 PM
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so I watched the first movie of the knk series and im a little confused by some of the things said-people say to watch on and things get explained but I mean some symbols within the movie, like the dream, the thing about lilies and floating and flying, im not sure i got that, can someone explain the meaning??
Jul 14, 2015 2:21 PM
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I only watch 2 of it movies and I don't think that Kara no Kayoukai had any particular deep meaning in it
It's that kind of series that you can take it however you want
Jul 14, 2015 2:37 PM
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I wouldn't say it's that hard to interpret, even if it's not obvious on a surface level.

1.The dream;
Mikiya is the dragonfly. Mikiya is flying-he has a normal life, Fujou envies it because her life, stuck in the hospital the way she is, seeing nothing of the outside world, leaves her only able to float. Fujou attempts to be as him, to fly but she is a butterfly and not a dragonfly, and Mikiya does not slow in his life, so she can’t keep up and falls. Mikiya he feels guilty in a way for it, but cannot stop because he is flying. Note the dream comes when he’s sleeping because of Fujous effects on his mind.

Fujou is lonely, so she brings others to float with her. But she envies Mikiya and wants him to take her to fly with him, and she does not want to take that away since she is in admiration of his normal life, hence she does not attempt to make him float the way she does with others.

2.Heights; The whole thing about the overlooking view is covered in the movie. We know that there are billions of people on this planet after all, but being forced to cope with it emotionally is something completely different. Needless to say that most humans cannot cope with this. They can only perceive world in their own limited way. This end in only two ways; you either recede back into your previous mindset, your unawareness, your 'box'; or you lose your mind as it cannot fathom the view it is presented with and you go insane/die.

3.Lilies;
This is mostly used to describe Fujou, the falling butterfly in the dream looking like a broken lily, the girl at the start is described as a lily after falling and Shiki describes Fujous arm appearing as a lily. It ties into the whole idea of her as a butterfly and not being "evil" in the sense she appears to be at first. You could also say it's saying there's a beauty in death.

4.Other things;
I've seen it argued that you could also say that there is a parallel between the Fujou buildings and Fujou herself. Both start as symbols of hope – Kirie as the first child of her family, and the buildings a symbol of the economic boom of Japan – but eventually end up in forgotten and desolate until the suicides.
You could even argue that the two share their experience of time – for Fujou, each day in the past decade has probably felt identical to the one before, which is a rather unhealthy relationship with time.

There's also the whole idea of yearnings within people leading them to make decisions and especially that all things walk toward their own end (something like that, not sure how to get this across) and Fujou brings these emotions to the surface. See Freuds death drive for more. There's more on this in Tsukihime as well.

Back to flying/floating/falling, which is really the main theme and point of the movie;

What happens within the dream is that Mikiya recognizes that he has a purpose in life (which you could argue KNK says is to have a connection to others, which Fujou completely lacks), and the difference between him and Fujou is that she has nobody else to know or be with: you can't escape without a goal and so it's doomed to failure.

Kirie is aware of what she is doing, and could have, in theory held on to life, but for the fact that she knew, stuck in a hospital room, that there was no meaning to it. The potentiality that Mikiya is for her makes her own reality unbearable, so she tries for meaning and fails, leading to her falling from her attempt to fly, rather than float.

These themes can be taken to the rest of KNK where you can ask if loneliness be mundane and lead to floating and flying, leading to escape, being only with others to give you purpose, which you can see more in Paradox Spiral and Murder Speculation II with Enjou and Shirazumis dilemmas.

You could even look at Nasus other works with the whole flight/float/fall thing if you wanted. Anyway, there's plenty of other things but these are probably the most important to understanding the "point".
Of course a lot of this is up to interpretation and you may disagree with me on some points, if you look at it differently I'd be interested to hear it.
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Jul 14, 2015 2:38 PM
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mcskops said:
so I watched the first movie of the knk series and im a little confused by some of the things said-people say to watch on and things get explained but I mean some symbols within the movie, like the dream, the thing about lilies and floating and flying, im not sure i got that, can someone explain the meaning??

Edit: What Insertnamehere said... he knows a lot more than me about Nasu related material



Here I also suggest reading this guy's review on movie 1
http://rereadsandreviews.com/category/anime/kara-no-kyoukai/

He does a pretty good job of analyzing, and he said he's going to update a review for every movie on a weekly basis. So you can watch and read along with him.
Jul 14, 2015 2:48 PM
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not sure i follow some of this but thanks XD just seems a little unnecessarily complex
Jul 14, 2015 3:32 PM
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Thx for that too i think ive got it now
Jul 14, 2015 4:07 PM
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