Hmm, two idiots spewing nonsense in the same thread. Oh well, I will take the bait.
First off, the initial mentioned by Hayama, "Yu". What does it mean? Who does it refer to is the key in deciding who does Hayama likes. Let's use this post to get our list of candidates shall we?
supracseduch said:
Probable options: Yukinoshita Haruno, Yukinoshita Yukino
Plausible options: Yumiko (Miura), Yuigahama Yui
Improbable options: Yoshiteru (Zaimokuza)
Impossible options: You, Your Mama
Now, since both improbable and impossible options are close to zero in terms of possibility, it is safe for us to leave those two options out. This leaves us with only two options.
supracseduch said:
Probable options: Yukinoshita Haruno, Yukinoshita Yukino
Plausible options: Yumiko (Miura), Yuigahama Yui
"Yu". If people asked you to name a person with only her/his initial, which name would you use, her/his family name or her/his given name? Again, I assume based on my own observations and logic that most sensible people will always refer to their given name rather the family name. Myself included and I think most of you will be the same. In both mediums, Hayama refer Yukinoshita Haruno as Haruno, so why would he suddenly refer Haruno as Yukinoshita by using the inital "Yu"? This just doesn't make any sense. Unless Hayama is as retarded as fender/spacebar/undecisive/bandwagon user here, the chances of this happening is extremely rare. Then there is the point where Hayama clearly differentiate those two sisters as well, mixing them up by using their family name as an initial, making it even more unlikely. This inevitably leaves us with only 3 characters, Yumiko, Yui and Yukino for us to choose from.
Anything further than this is just plain assumption since no one actually knows who the girl is but at least we do know who isn't. This is what I am trying to prove here that nobody knows for sure.
Though I will admit all of these are based on my reasoning using my given knowledge in LNs so there is a chance I might be wrong. Unless you think I am not reading the same novel as you are or possessing the reading comprehension ability akin to those of a 6 year-old or both, you may think I am full of shit. Like the user named Tommk so to speak. He called me out several times to present my evidence while claiming Haruno is the one without presenting anything himself. What's more, he even avoided questions posted before him and chose to apply more claims without any basis whatsoever. Like "he is always putting a facade.". Or even "Its pretty clear that he don't want to be the student council president if you actually read properly." for example. Big words I say but no actual examples to support his claims. Hayama is always putting a facade what? How on earth you can reach that conclusion? You claimed so with no concrete support to follow through your statement. Are you implying you are just making things up as you go? Or maybe you know "But that's just me, judging things." again excuse?
Till now, Tommk is still spewing shit he ate from McD without backing up since his first post in this thread as I will prove now. No worries as it is spoiler free.
Tommk said:
Are you reading the same novel as I am ?
Started off with questioning my ability to read and comprehend literature. A pitiful insult in other words. Totally a great way to start up a proper discussion.
Tommk said:
You know he did planned out the student council position to push to someone else right ?
I will spare questioning your writing ability as I am more concerned with your source of information. Nowhere in both the anime and the LN provide such information. Again, spewing nothing but shit. Dieger asked you this but you reply vaguely by just going roundabout the main issue.
Tommk said:
Dude is saving his own ass. He always watch yukino get slaughter and will just say ''now now enough''.
Yup, slaughtered by Haruno that is. Both of them to be more accurate. How the hell you expect him to save Yukino when he can't even save himself? No, Hayama is not Hachiman and there is the admiration including superiority factor as well. Hachiman even admitted he can't deal with Haruno and usually keep quiet throughout their conversation. Is Hachiman any different compared to Hayama? No.
Tommk said:
Oh please the reason why he helped yukino in her campaign speeches was just not to enter the campaign . Its pretty clear that he don't want to be the student council president if you actually read properly.
Oh please, the possibility of him running as a student council president is near zero anyway. Why would he become a student council president when he was loaded with club activities being a president of the soccer club? All three members admitted Hayama is not a viable candidate despite his ability due to his busy schedule and aforementioned responsibilities. That's why Yukino planned to ran as a candidate. Hayama doesn't need to do anything because people will be against it, especially the teacher-adviser of soccer club and its members. So, why would he need to do anything in the first place when he knows that he already can't given the circumstances? It's the matter of he can't do it rather he don't want to do it so to speak.
Tommk said:
Hayama main motive in the entire novel is to protect his face and maintain his image. I won't call that as helping yukino. Seems like a good guy, but isn't.
Uh huh. Everyone has some image to maintain and expectations to be fulfilled, not just Hayama. By your logic, no one is helping Yukino. Not even Hachiman considering he too has an image to maintain and obligations as a club member.
Tommk said:
As with Haruno, did u even see a time where he helped yukino in any of their conversation (Not just once, but many times ) ? Don't avoid this topic, the only thing he did is shake it off and laugh it off. Some of it is the truth but does that mean all of it is ? Favoritism or obedient ?
The one who is avoiding the topic is you. You are cherry-picking on the fact whether Hayama helped Yukino or not whenever a situation involves Haruno. Both Yukino and Hayama admire Haruno since they were kids and believe they can't surpass her as a person. As such, Haruno is like some sort of an idol to them. Haruno is aware of this fact and tend to tease them about it. Can they do anything about it? Not really because both Yukino and Hayama know it as truth and attempt nothing to deny it.
Tommk said:
So basically from your conver, the only time when he help is the camp ? That's called always helped when its counted ? Ey lmao, read your entire conver, and tell me the only time he helped was the small matter at the camp. That's basically my point.
No, your point basically amounted to nothing. You have proven nothing and presented nothing to support your theory on why Haruno is a more likely candidate than Yukino. First is the Kawasaki case. Second is the summer camp. Third is the festival committee(the anime omitted the part where Hayama actually wanted to visit Yukino when she was absent from school). Fourth is the camping speech. Small matter? Can't be classified as helping? When you consider a person went out of his way just to assist another person is not helping, I don't know what is.
Tommk said:
not sure we are reading the same novel or not
What a tenacious guy he is! Maybe this is an assumption, but you know, this Tommk user might be reading the wrong novel altogether. Or maybe he can't read. Man, I don't know because most of the information I have provided here are easily obtained from the anime itself. |