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| The Yoshino in Yonensei can turn out to be different from what was portrayed here but this is just what the author wanted. I'm not mad or angry with how this turns out. I would just say on one hand I'm would be happy to see the Yoshino in Yonensei and thereby shows the challenges of a long distance relationship dilemma in this manga. That would be my preferred direction. On the other hand, I have this side that is just attracted to drama. As for the author intention, I'll give an example. In a similarly drama overdose manga called Boys on the Run, before we knew about Chiharu real personality, the author deliberately drew a cover picture for a chapter of her pulling up her skirt in the toilet. It's unglamorous and subsequently whittles away the innocent image of her build up all these while. This is before the knock up punch that comes in the story later on. I read most this author work, hell, because of the recent chapter dumps and the event leads to what has happened now for this story, I even go out of my way to read Kagerou Nikki, another work of his untranslated in English. What I want to say I understand where he comes from and his fetishes. ( That was a short remark column at the end of volume 1 where he remember the conversation of an incident where a university couple, both who are attached to someone else, decided to cheat in the apartment next to him. Apparently, the walls are thin and he can hear everything ). He also said he masturbates to it in the end. It's like what Aironicallyhuman says, the author indeed took in delight for messing with the readers and the characters in the story. I won't say it's unusual for Yoshino or Akio character for things to turn out this way, it's still quite extreme from what was shown in the prequel. However, I can see that the mangaka deliberately chooses this path. What I am not sure is if it has to do with how he sees the world or it's part of his fetishes. Okay, long winded shit apart, Akio was being superbly assertive in pressing Yoshino for answers. |
live2winAug 15, 2014 5:17 AM
| I would also like to bring out the point where after Yoshino cried in Chapter 14, Akio asked her if something wrongs and she deny it casually. What's really interesting or should I say damning was when she lost it eventually by saying ' I cannot do this to you'. The is not the fucking punchline, the punchline was 'I'm still so weak'. I don't mean in the way that if she is not weak, she would continue be fooling Akio all along for her needs. I meant it in the way that you have people who has this mentality or at the very least thought before that not being able to lie or be cruel against others and without feeling sorry is 'weak'. To put it simply, Yoshino sees this as a negative quality for not being strong enough to trample on others without feeling guilty. It's interesting. Of course, the revelation in Chapter 15, using Akio only when she needed as a sexual outlet where the desire comes from another man instead as well as the backstory of human rights campaign in her high school further cemented this. And yes, Yoshino is manipulative. That was always the case even in Yonensei but not to this extent. Just look at all her self defense mechanism kicks in Chapter 13 & 14, more so on the latter when Akio pressed for answers. There are not a lot of people in this world that are able to handle not being a good person to the one they presumed to know them the best, while functioning as a normal citizen in the society. |
live2winAug 15, 2014 5:17 AM
| And there you have it. Kio Shimoku is a two bit hack. So all of a sudden she hates everyone? Really? We're suppose to believe that? None of that was supported in any way shape or form in Yonensei. Cliche cliche cliche. The dialog read like a really bad soap opera. The translators are dreaming - if shits getting real, then Akio would have smacked her. It would fit the situation. She was goading him. So why not go the whole hog. You want to wallow in the mud, then get down there and wallow. The problem is Kio Shimoku is a wuss. He doesn't have the balls. All he can do is this pansy ass approach. Not that I think it would have fit Akio to smack Yoshino. Just as I don't think it fits her character to cheat on him or to hate people. That's the author seeping through, not the character. Sorry Kio Shimoku, you've been exposed as a talentless hack that got lucky with Yonensei. You do not possess the skills. Not wasting my time with this trash. |
live2win said: I would also like to bring out the point where after Yoshino cried in Chapter 14, Akio asked her if something wrongs and she deny it casually. What's really interesting or should I say damning was when she lost it eventually by saying ' I cannot do this to you'. The is not the fucking punchline, the punchline was 'I'm still so weak'. I don't mean in the way that if she is not weak, she would continue be fooling Akio all along for her needs. I meant it in the way that you have people who has this mentality or at the very least thought before that not being able to lie or be cruel against others and without feeling sorry is 'weak'. To put it simply, Yoshino sees this as a negative quality for not being strong enough to trample on others without feeling guilty. It's interesting. You actually make a very good point about how Yoshino sees it as a weakness to care for others at all. As if she should be able to trample over their emotions freely. Putting aside how out of character it is to go from 'I don't get along with women' to 'I hate men and women both, along with their stupidity, and laugh at them', I find Yoshino's actions in these last few chapters interesting. What she basically conveyed was that she's a sociopath with no concern for anything but her own desires. What Akio saw through for the first time when pushing her was her facade: the close-ups of her lips/gritted teeth showing her true self, rather than mere frustration. And the last page where she almost psychotically suggested they stay together as if nothing has happened made it even more apparent she lacks normal human emotions. Yoshino told Akio she'd always secretly looked down on him, used him for her sexual desires whilst imaging another man and that he could never be FINGER WIZARD. She destroyed him without breaking sweat. She showed zero concern for Akio as a person. PSYCHO. ...did the author really say he'd masturbated, btw? A fetish for cheating would explain A LOT. RightSaidFred said: Not that I think it would have fit Akio to smack Yoshino. Just as I don't think it fits her character to cheat on him or to hate people. That's the author seeping through, not the character. It was actually out of character for Akio to not react: in Yonensei, he grabbed Yoshino by the collar and came close to hitting her over next to nothing. Yet when Yoshino spills her heart about seeing someone else when she has no time for him, using him as a sex toy and basically being a horrible bitch, he just sites there. HUH!? I respected Akio for calling Yoshino out on her bullshit and being wounded in the process, but no-one - especially someone with a temper - would sit there and take that. This was a problem earlier, as well: the flying kick. Akio went from RAGE to being a closed-eyed wimp when confronted with Yoshino. It didn't fit the narrative or his character. It seemed more likely they'd break up, there and then, but no: SIT AND CALMLY TALK. Just weird. It definitely doesn't fit Yoshino's character to be such a despicable bitch, though. Yonensei ended with her meeting Akio's parents and there being no hint that there was any nastiness hiding underneath. She didn't get along with women, had had lots of boyfriends and was in a strong 'opposites attract' relationship. Such a jump in characterisation just doesn't make sense. I'm sure the author would describe it as expanding on her character with UGLY REALISM... but I don't buy it. She was a much more believable person before she started hating sex and the human race. Btw, Genshiken: the author goes more otaku-centric with his later work, but it merges real life with it. It's more like Yonensei in the sense it's enjoyable to read. Was one of my favourite manga before it was restarted because, like with Gonensei, the author had no other ideas. Read it, if you haven't. Don't judge everything else he's done by... this. |
AironicallyHumanAug 16, 2014 5:39 PM
AironicallyHuman said: ...did the author really say he'd masturbated, btw? A fetish for cheating would explain A LOT. This is the exact page on Kagerou Nikki in the chinese scans. He also said in the previous page that he has always been asked by others if the characters in his story are based on real life. He said it mainly came from what he heard from his friends or his own imaginations. Btw, he doesn't like to be asked by this question since it kills his motivation to draw. Maybe he felt it revealed more of himself when he answered them or doesn't want to be personally linked/related to what has happened in his stories. As if it's a shameful association, then again, that's my guess. I won't say he has a fetish of cheating though but it is present in Kagerou Nikki. I think, more or less, in his younger days, he likes to torment the characters even when the story doesn't have any cheating involved. Cheating is just a subset of that. AironicallyHuman said: It was actually out of character for Akio to not react: in Yonensei, he grabbed Yoshino by the collar and came close to hitting her over next to nothing. Yet when Yoshino spills her heart about seeing someone else when she has no time for him, using him as a sex toy and basically being a horrible bitch, he just sites there. HUH!? I respected Akio for calling Yoshino out on her bullshit and being wounded in the process, but no-one - especially someone with a temper - would sit there and take that. This was a problem earlier, as well: the flying kick. Akio went from RAGE to being a closed-eyed wimp when confronted with Yoshino. It didn't fit the narrative or his character. It seemed more likely they'd break up, there and then, but no: SIT AND CALMLY TALK. Just weird. It definitely doesn't fit Yoshino's character to be such a despicable bitch, though. Yonensei ended with her meeting Akio's parents and there being no hint that there was any nastiness hiding underneath. She didn't get along with women, had had lots of boyfriends and was in a strong 'opposites attract' relationship. Such a jump in characterisation just doesn't make sense. I'm sure the author would describe it as expanding on her character with UGLY REALISM... but I don't buy it. She was a much more believable person before she started hating sex and the human race. I don't remember any hint of Yoshino nastiness in Yonensei but when she thank Akio for kicking the guy for her as well as reading her thoughts of her co-worker earlier on, the author kinda lead the readers to this. But yes, it different in yonensei. |
live2winAug 16, 2014 6:20 PM
AironicallyHuman said: Btw, Genshiken: the author goes more otaku-centric with his later work, but it merges real life with it. It's more like Yonensei in the sense it's enjoyable to read. Was one of my favourite manga before it was restarted because, like with Gonensei, the author had no other ideas. Read it, if you haven't. Don't judge everything else he's done by... this. Interesting. I'll check it out. I read a little of SPOTTED FLOWER and thought, meh. So wasn't too impressed with the body of work. The major flaw with Gonensei is the characters are nothing like the characters in Yonensei. The author basically reboot the series and is telling a completely different story with characters with the same name. He should have told a different story with different characters. None of it is believable. It simply fails. |
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