| I recently got a random message from some guy I don't know saying this~ what are they??? do you wish to completely get ride of anime dubbing? or just make your opinion know by which is your right. if your goal is to just make your opinion know and to have followers of your baliefs about dubbing then by all means continue your actions, but if your goal is to stop anime from being dubbed then you need to wake up. 1) the coise to make dubs is not yours, and there for dont try to stop it. the animation company's are making millions off of the dubbed versions of the anime because there ARE in fact those of use who do enjoy the dubbed versions, ill admit there are lots of poorly dubbed animes because voice actors are not pared up right, and the English language don't exactly fit into the mouthing and life styles of every day Japanese life, but still if you don't like it then stay away from it, hats like the christens trying to get rid of other religions just because all the others arnt to there likings, and it don't have to be just christens that was just an example. no no offense intended there. i ONLY watch anime in dubbed for two reasons, one, when i watch and anime its NOT to read the dam subs, my eyes are focusing on the animation part of the show, considering itss called anime, not manga and two, i don't speak Japanese and there is no reason why i should have to to enjoy watching a good anime. which to you it seems is a crime. oh and one more thing. if you are going to respond to this message please don't be a dick about it, im not being a dick in any of my text so keep that in mind, and if you have an arguing opinion by all means share, im interested in your half of the story. if there is anything you can say that will put what i said down, then give it your best shot. ^.^ ged *fan of English dubbed anime, no matter how horrible the voice acting is* If you were to of gotten this message, how would you have responded and/or replied? |
| Ah well, you already know what I would reply but I'll post it here too. Consider it a sort of baptism of the forum post. My reply I can’t really speak for shanath on what his goals are but when I joined this club it was not in any way because I want all dubs to burn. I do carry some resentment towards them because it’s very uncomfortable to listen to, most western voice actors just can’t act. So I though something along the lines of ”Hey, other people who feel the same way, cool!” I can see what you mean by saying that the choice of making or not making dubs is not for us to make and I can quite easily counter it with arguments such as this: Should that which is a genuine bother to others really be allowed to be produced? Of course this argument falls in on itself since there are people in this world who do not think that dubs ruin the show. In other words: We are not all bothered by it and as long as a sizeable part of the anime community keeps wanting it then by all means, keep producing it. Bringing religion into the debate is slightly immature and simpleminded but it does noenetheless serve to prove your point. I personally don’t watch dubs for a couple of reasons which I will now present: 1. I believe that japanese voice actors do a better job than most western voice actors do. It just sounds forced and strange when most americans, brits, norwegians (you name it) do voice acting. 2. This is more of a counter point to your point about not wanting to read ”the dam subs”. I enjoy and speak the japanese language well enough to be able to enjoy the anime without looking at the subs. So much so that I prefer it without subs as well (but I don’t mind the subs because they’re so easy to ignore). If it was dubbed I would lose the precious japanese audio, as well as the chance to keep my japanese skills on an acceptable level. I don’t believe anyone ever said that enjoying good anime is a crime. It does hurt me in the deepest corners of my heart to hear that you ONLY watch dubbed anime, but it really is none of my concern what you watch or don’t watch. There more sides than one to everything. Dubs are to me a horrible existence, therefore I stay well away from them and get mildly annoyed when I can’t find an anime in it’s original japanese language. For example I was looking forward to a good time with neon genesis evangelion but could to my enormous annoyance only find dubs. This was remarkably frustrating... But the point is that in the end it really isn’t such a big deal. I’m in this club to show that I don’t like dubs and I don’t like how I sometimes can’t find a show in it’s original japanese audio. That’s all. I don’t mean anyone any harm, unless they’ve raped someone in which case I’d gladly tear them limb from limb. But that’s another matter completely. I hope that I with this have gotten through that we’ll just have to accept and respect our different views on this matter. |
| もののあはれ。。。 |
| i don't have anything against dubs, i just don't like them myself i think dubs just makes it.. secondary, like a copy of the first even though its the same.. just the sound it just annoys me for some reason >< ... and also, with subs, you can learn some jap :D |
| "I don't wish my life was like a fairy tale, I wish it to be a shojo manga" :D |
| So..what dubbing is a religion now? |
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| To some people it must be.... |
| the only anime i've seen with a good dub is Beck, the rest sucks |
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| I actually haven't seen cowboy bebop in a subbed or raw form...fail.... |
| i never saw cowboy bebop... |
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| That's ok~I didn't 'love' it anyway~lol |
| dang same here |
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| god damn dubs suck. My ears bleed when I listen to them. Its like they got American voice actors that did baby shows. They are so shit and after...how many years now?...they still haven't learn't. If they actually had good voice actors then they could probably pull it off but right now ITS TRASH! LONG LIVE SUBS/RAWS!!! DOWN WITH DUBS!!!!! (oh yes... but 1 acception. Full metal Alchemist dubs are better than the Japanese version.) |
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| Good points indeed. When they dub a series they pick people who don't match the character's expected voice, making it horrible to watch, let alone listen to~ (The FMA dub was ok...still don't like dubs though -.-) |
| Dubbing sucks all sucks,i wont stop the animation company from doing dubs but i wont give a damn about dubs.Dub totally destroy the anime,Watch the Original! |
bradorick said: Well, me joining the anti-dub division has a simple reason: To say it bluntly dubs aren't natural for japanese anime. I deliberately say "japanese" since there are other shows which can be considered anime. But for me anime is equal to japanese animation and therefore dubbing them is completely out of place. I feel embarassed hearing english voices when seeing a typical scenery of Japan. Fine by me if the anime itself isn't related to Japan itself, still I am actually pretty fond of japanese culture and in my opinion by dubbing them the lose this certain atmosphere. ehh? Anime is abbreviated pronunciation in Japanese of "animation". Just like Japan, the US creates cartoons too which also involves animation. I don't really agree with you on the fact that "dubs don't suit Japanese animation" because it isn't true. Its the voice actors they use that spoils it. If they actually had good voice actors I might actually watch anime with the dub sometimes. |
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| Do what I just did, read the first 3 lines and stop. If its not written well enough for human comprehension its not worth replying to. =P |
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| well i just replied back to that one guy.. ^^you killer... |
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| BURN THIS HERETIC AT THE STAKE!!!! ;P And now seriously, I hate dubs more than anything. Not just dubbed anime, movies as well. I think that native voices are integral part of culture of the country shown/witch made movie/anime and so should be left the way they are. Watching anime/movie with original voices is also sort of tribute to people who worked hard to make it. To put it simply dubs give out-of-place feeling. |
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Fabzor said: ehh? Anime is abbreviated pronunciation in Japanese of "animation". Just like Japan, the US creates cartoons too which also involves animation. I don't really agree with you on the fact that "dubs don't suit Japanese animation" because it isn't true. Its the voice actors they use that spoils it. If they actually had good voice actors I might actually watch anime with the dub sometimes. Not only voice, but the emotion. I must admit they put a lot of it into their dubs, you can clearly feel the sentiments. That's why dubs suck in ANY language. I'm not american and I can't stand american dubbed movies into my language either for same reason... they always do a crappy job. |
| K, I just joined the club to post something here; Hearing something, whether it is a movie or an anime, in its original language is 95 % of the time better than dubbed. The voice actors can in most cases act normally. In dubs, it does sound strange if they are speaking, let's say English, and all of them have japanese names. Pronouncing "Takashi" in a heavy American accent is sometimes... horrible. However, there is a 5 % chance of the dub actually being decent. I spent roughly 10 years watching anime in German. True, Germany likes to dub EVERYTHING, even anime, but at least they don't do a half-assed job about it. Sometimes, some japanese voices sound simply irritating (Son-Goku japanese ftl :E ). Dragonball was, in my opinion, a better choice dubbed. Seriously. I personally don't really care what language the anime is spoken in, as long as it sounds good. Most often that would be Japanese, but as I just wrote, there are some exceptions. Oh and I have a question, and I hope someone can enlighten me: Voice acting in hentai: Is that always crap, in all languages, or am I missing something? Whether it is japanese/american/whatever, it simply sounds fake. :( |
| “They will say that I have shed innocent blood. What’s blood for, if not for shedding? With my hook for a hand, I’ll split you from your groin to your gullet.” - Candyman |
| The biggest difference between original japanese hentai and dubbed hentai is that dubbed hentai always uses the same voice actors. There is no variation. Every dubbed hentai has the same voice actors. |
| もののあはれ。。。 |
| but damn childish you are, I see most of the English-dubbed anime, and I think most of them are crap but good dubbed anime lodge there that's perfect dubbed after 1-3 episodes, but there are people saying Hellsing, FMA, cowboy bepop with more I'm just saying it is not strange that everyone says I'd probably be able to mention over 100 anime titles that have better dub ... avenue where my opinion. one last thing why do you waste so much energy to dismiss something. // Sorry my bad english |
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| 'sighs' First I would smack that moron silly, than I would give back a witty retort that would put him in his place. Dubbing is just ridiculous and the second most worse company is Funimation. Some dubbing, rarely are good. But some fans let their love for the anime get in the way too much that they do not notice how truely crappy it is. I did the same thing with FMA, until that was I re-watched and allowed my critic side out more and put the fannesia way. It ticks me off that some dubbing companys don't bother to really match up VAs to the correct character, nor do they really bother taking the time to do it in. Its like Yen Press doing bad translations. Another thing that ticks me off is that they can pronounce the characters names wrong, and change lines. How annoying..But we must remember.. that most dubbing companies are run by idiots. Take a look at Kuroshitsuji's dubing (find at Funimation's channel at Youtube).. One, Ciel is not suppose to have a voice that makes him sound like a grown woman with a gruff tone. Two, Sebastian sounds like an old man with a nasal infection. Three.. I didn't know they were getting Mickey Mouse to VA... Bard is American and they gave him an accent... So.. many wrongs.. The accents you can tale are fake and they don't even fit. And this is my favorite anime so it is tearing me up inside. I'll admit though that the only FUNimation dub that is good.. and the VAs fit the roles is Hellsing Ultimate... I'm still amazed at how well the director fitted the characters with a voice that fits their personality. The dubing company that is best at dubs is Bandai Entertainment.. now they really do know how to fit VAs to characters.. but those are the only two I can name at the top of my head that are any good. |
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| Only kids who don't know how to read or read too slow prefer dubs. |
| Wanna join these clubs and have a nice talk: We Hate Censorship and Luna & Survive Fan Club |
animezinghayden said: a'lol at the comment about full metal alchemist is better in english... no its not, shame on you *chuckles* There are few people that think that of Kuroshitsuji (no doubt).. shame on you un-true fans.. shame. It's kind of sad you know... To know there are deluded fans that have no sense to what is good and bad.. and act like complete jolly ranchers (butt-kissers if you don't know what I am refering to..).. *sighs* It makes being a fan difficult at times, especially when you have to correct them almost at every turn.. and try hard not to hit them over the head with something. As for FMA, I liked it more than I like Brotherhood.. Brotherhood sucks, no questioned asked.. FMA was, admittedly, better dubbed compared to it, but I think the original cast had some better quality to it.. Brotherhood was just a mistake.. You guys want to know something that might be of interest. The anime rapists Funimation are selling !! Serves them right for their bad dubbing skills.. You know what I find ridiculous.. How people say they are getting "better" when they are not.. They are getting worst.. and Kuro's dub proved that hands down. After all it's probably just the owner and his close friends dubbing them.. Have you guys ever seen any real new people within the dubbing world.. nope.. So it serves them right. Also 4kids was forced into bankrupcy.. |
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| I don't hate dubs, and I don't seek to abolish them, I believe that they do help people get into anime like probably most of us here got into anime through them. And that people can enjoy them even when they are older as long as they know the facts of subbing a dubbing, then I don't really care. I do believe though that the only true way to get everything out of an anime i to watch it is to understand Japanese and watch it raw. And I believe that the closest to that is through Japanese audio with subtitles, because they are able to keep the original voice/language, the original references, and you are able to get it much faster and way more, since it has to be licensed to be dubbed, could be a couple of other reasons. |
     Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
| Dear adysanu, Dubbing and Subbing are both hard things to do, it doesn't matter what lines are missed, and they're replaced with new one's I'm not a little kid you're the stupid here. "In this period of time, when globalization and a more free cultural contact between countries are at its peak, dubbing kills the mood" That's true, but people like hearing things in they're on language, and you can't learn japanese from anime you have to do research. Dubbing doesn't replace any cultural things, and again people like hearing their own language because its hard understand the language they can't speak. Not really I pronounce foods in the perfect tone, pronunciation, and even accent sometimes. It's not lame it's interesting because you actually get to learn streets in Japan. THE GIRL IN THE DUB HAVE MORE ENERGETIC AND MORE REALISTIC VOICES, and the shy girls sound shy. The annoying/energetic/bubbly girls sound amazing and hyperactive. You're being mean to the other girls out there because not all Japanese girls have a cute voice. Americans put energy into their scripts just like the Japanese. remember you're American/English, and we were ENEMIES with JAPAN during World War II. That's true. Us dub fans don't watch for the video, we can understand Japanese, but we prefer english dub because we think it's better. I bet you guys that watch subs can't speak a sentence in Japanese fluently, and I can and I think english is much better for me. Yeah we know about the last sentence very true. I know what you're saying. I'm not little, and I know lots of dub lovers who are from ages 14-35 so you're wrong about us being little kids. All the way agreed with you on that when people focus more on the quality and effects. |
| ANIME IS AWESOME HEY HEY HEY START:DASH!!!!! |
Kirbyna321 said: You can learn some Japanese.and you can't learn japanese from anime you have to do research. Kirbyna321 said: Yes it does a lot, some of those are even in the language they repalce. You can't replicate every saying, reference, etc in another language. It just doesn't work like that.Dubbing doesn't replace any cultural things Kirbyna321 said: You're not supposed to, that's why there's subs.and again people like hearing their own language because its hard understand the language they can't speak. Kirbyna321 said: Are you fucking serious?remember you're American/English, and we were ENEMIES with JAPAN during World War II. Kirbyna321 said: No you can't.we can understand Japanese, but we prefer english dub because we think it's better. |
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| ok i understand |
| ANIME IS AWESOME HEY HEY HEY START:DASH!!!!! |
| IntroverTurtle Only some of the words, but not the whole language. Yes thats what I was trying to say, but everyone wants the show they like watching in their native tongue which mine is estonian, but I have to watch it english and i like it. Its true during world war 2, we set an atomic bomb and they sank pearl harbor. It research, and its try and the english we on the Allies, if you watched hetalia it would recognize things in world war 2 as well. But it doesn't make sense in japanese because its a language spoken in asia. Mostly everyone can speak english so it makes sense that Hetalia would be in english. I learn japanese from my neighbors because I would like to understand Asia's culture so they wanted me to understand Japan first. |
| ANIME IS AWESOME HEY HEY HEY START:DASH!!!!! |
IntroverTurtle said: Kirbyna321 said: You can learn some Japanese.and you can't learn japanese from anime you have to do research. Kirbyna321 said: Yes it does a lot, some of those are even in the language they repalce. You can't replicate every saying, reference, etc in another language. It just doesn't work like that.Dubbing doesn't replace any cultural things Kirbyna321 said: You're not supposed to, that's why there's subs.and again people like hearing their own language because its hard understand the language they can't speak. Kirbyna321 said: Are you fucking serious?remember you're American/English, and we were ENEMIES with JAPAN during World War II. Kirbyna321 said: No you can't.we can understand Japanese, but we prefer english dub because we think it's better. Well played, IntroverTurtle. |
| Well played but I'm from Estonian and I would like to learn english |
| ANIME IS AWESOME HEY HEY HEY START:DASH!!!!! |
| The quickest way to learn a language it to travel to the country it is most prominent. Seeing as you're in Delaware, you should be pretty good at English by now. |
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