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ringoo4 said: Don't remember any of it, other than the comment by Gil about killing Rider, which will be on the Blu-Ray anyway. Not sure which Caster scene you're referring to but if it's the one I think it is, then it shouldn't appear until the next episode. As far as I know, Caster doesn't make any appearance between being defeated in the Einzbern Forest and finding out the state of his lair. I'm almost 100% certain on that. Everything else, though: If I can't even remember it without you reminding me, then it isn't important in my eyes. It's like the Fedora-Homburg example from TV Tropes. |
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LunarMoon said: They are important. Each bit was what made this part of novel so emotional and the best scene of the first half. Even that novel phantasm by Rider was ruined by horrible Sakuga. Just remember King's Banquet was almost 1 hour in length when it was on Drama CD. They really outdid their cutting. They should've shorten Loli Rin's part and lengthen it more. It was so disappointing for me.ringoo4 said: Don't remember any of it, other than the comment by Gil about killing Rider, which will be on the Blu-Ray anyway. Not sure which Caster scene you're referring to but if it's the one I think it is, then it shouldn't appear until the next episode. As far as I know, Caster doesn't make any appearance between being defeated in the Einzbern Forest and finding the state of his lair. I'm almost 100% certain on that. Everything else, though: If I can't even remember it without you reminding me, then it isn't important in my eyes. It's like the Fedora-Homburg example from TV Tropes. Caster combi part --> Uryuu/caster finds their hide-out being burnt. Uryuu was really depressed about it, but Caster encourages Uryuu kindly (...) and lead to mass destruction. When I do know this part comes later on, I'm certain it is cut even on BD since they added original content where Uryuu just normally collects kids in other place in the original part added in previous episode. Sorry for not being detailed. Edited: Ah, to add another complain, even if I remove all my disappointment from cutting stuffs and whatever, direction was bad as it is. For the Rider vs Saber discussion, you know how they are showing back of their body one and another? |
ringoo4Dec 10, 2011 1:31 PM
Charliehsv said: OK got it so MILKING confirmed. They should have done that with #10 man. That is just plain sad to see so much out and now I understand ringoo4 in regards to "Why the fuck we need to pay for EPIC stuff to be taken out" precisely when #10 was done better IMO due to it having almost nothing taken out at all but added. |
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| Well he does bring up a few scenes that are very important and should have been included, ESPECIALLY some of the missing interaction between Gilgamesh/Rider, and he didn't even mention how some of the dialogue that was included was changed (and really shouldn't have been). I was actually consciously disappointed that Gilgamesh didn't start laughing like a lunatic as he did in the drama CD as well. But such complaints are getting rather nitpicky at this point. The only way they could have improved the pacing would have been to expand this into episode 12, since they already wasted episode 10, which was a bad decision on their part. They didn't, but if they will expand this episode in the bluray, I see no reason to continue to be disatisfied, like ringoo seems so adamant on being. |
LostHanyou said: That's a bloody bad excuse for any animation studio. Remember how Shaft was always criticised for not completing their episode properly? I see nothing better from ufotable's tectics.but if they will expand this episode in the bluray, I see no reason to continue to be disatisfied, like ringoo seems so adamant on being. |
| After the shit shaft broadcast cutouts the finished product (bakemono) was pretty damn good. What ufotable seems to be doing is exactly the same, as you said. However it seems like you're disregarding the very distinct possibility that this episode will be vastly improved in the future. While the planning for this series has been rather off with episode 10, if they came into making this series with the idea that the bluray would have much of the content, it seems forgivable in my eyes. Perhaps I'm used to the shaft cutouts, but regardless... |
| rider comedy since the start? great :D so now arcer is a wine dispenser... >.> |
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| Good ep but I feel that it would have been better off as an OVA or something. 11 eps in and it doesn't really feel as if anything has happened. (You know with there being 7 competitors and none of them dying besides the infinity assassins and the poor children.) Hopefully the 2nd season doesn't get rushed trying to kill everyone off because of this. Anyways Rider is awesome would love to see his Noble Phantasm vs Gilgamesh's ^^ |
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| Finally, someone put Saber in her place. Go go Rider. |
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| Oh Rider is fucking awesome *.* I actually would be a king like Saber, but i see the point of Rider, and he is right. The best part for me was the respect Archer showed to Rider by attending his reunion and even offering his own wine and golden glass. He behaved like a true king XD And his quotes are still epic. What a shallow awesome reason: want the grail because all treasures in the world once belonged to him, lol. and so Archer takes an interest in Saber after listening her "king speech". Archer found Kotomine interesting and now Saber, i bet he is happy to be entertained;D Although i didnt read the whole novel, i was kinda sad to see dialogues that were removed. I wish they stick to the novel ;_; specially on what concerns Gil and Iskander ;D |
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| Oh my... I don't have words for Rider's awesomness 5/5 |
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| Great ep... Though we need to wait for BDs for the full ep i think |
| I seriously don't get it. FZ didn't have any flaws until now, but I got mixed feelings while watching this episode. On the one hand it had great plot, dialogues and all that stuff but on the other hand crappy drawings. FZ always looked like masterpiece, but this episode was gross in couple of scenes. I know, the next one will probably look as good as usual but I'm quite disappointed because aside from the art, in my opinion, it was one of the best episodes. |
ringoo4 said: Sakuga Hokai means when there is bad drawings - errors whatever in animation. They used tones of directions to reduce quality of sakuga without being to noticable, but it was obvious they are still there. Now, I will tell you what part from the novel was cut; -Gilgamesh's theory on king - CUT. This is supposed to KO Saber with her idealism, but that was not described properly. -The reason for Assasin coming - CUT -Rider and Gilgamesh teaming up - CUT -Gilgamesh accepting Rider and saying he is going to kill him - CUT -Proper reason for Rider trying to meet Saber - CUT Before this episode: -Most of caster part that is supposed to be in 10th episode - CUT -Foreshadowing of Rider's hidden skill - ALL CUT No, no you see they had cut those unnecessary plot stuff to invest in the real meat that was never in the book: Like moe Rin's filler adventures for lolicons. Good to know my fears were damn justified after the pathetic last episode. Instead of plot, we get Deen fanservice and completely ruined one of my favorite scenes in the book. |
| Best episode yet. Alexander is the fucking man. He wins the award for manliest anime character for the decade. LOL For those of you who read the manga/novels or wherever fate series come from. Do Merlin ever show up? Seems like they cut a lot of stuff either way this series is way better than Fate Night. I seriously hate Saber. She is up there with Shu(Guilty Crown) and Yuki(Mirai Nikki) for most hated characters this year. Archer still reminds me of Souther from Hokuto No Ken aka Fist of the North Star. They cockiness knows no bounds. |
bonifideDec 10, 2011 4:42 PM
| Fail. And I just increased the score to 10 to boot... How could they do this :( |
bonifide said: I seriously hate Saber. She is up there with Shu(Guilty Crown) and Yuki(Mirai Nikki) for most hated characters this year. Why... do you hate a girl who selflessly sacrificed her own happiness and humanity for the sake of others all her life and her devotion and actions were always unrewarded by those ingrates she had as subjects. Heck, her own people backstabed her for being the ideal king they asked her to be. A girl who even if she was agonizing, she wished to save her country, even at the cost of more sacrifice and non-existence? She wished to save the kingdom who had killed her. Jesus. Arturia can be a little dull at times (I prefer Nero among the Sabers. And I really wish Nero would have been the Saber in Zero, even if it was impossible. She would have given Rider a brofist), but she's admirably tragic heroine who didn't know happiness and peace. |
ThessDec 10, 2011 4:53 PM
Thess said: bonifide said: I seriously hate Saber. She is up there with Shu(Guilty Crown) and Yuki(Mirai Nikki) for most hated characters this year. Why... do you hate a girl who selflessly sacrificed her own happiness and humanity for the sake of others all her life and her devotion and actions were always unrewarded by those ingrates she had as subjects. Heck, her own people backstabed her for being the ideal king they asked her to be. A girl who even if she was agonizing, she wished to save her country, even at the cost of more sacrifice and non-existence? She wished to save the kingdom who had killed her. Jesus. Arturia can be a little dull at times (I prefer Nero among the Sabers), but she's admirably tragic heroine who didn't know happiness and peace. I agree. After all she has flaws and she wouldn't been interesting without them. She is been through a lot. Shu hasn't been through much-- Was he put in a position that he had to protect everyone? Gai is doing that. Shu is just drawing the voids whenever. And before that, he seemed like your typical high-schooler without any burdens. Unlike Saber. On the other hand, the Servants interactions are developed in F/Z. In F/SN most were just fighting with barely knowing each another. |
| Delicious Light Novel Readers rage is so damn delicious. I too have read it but I am not mad. Why? Because this is animation, they have to "adapt" things, we can't have an exact, word-for-word copy of the novel. Would it be good? Yes. Does this destroy this episode? No. Please, don't transform those discussions in the new iteration of the "novel vs anime". The episode was good. Yes, it was. We lost some characterization in the middle but that's to be expected. |
Wilvori said: My love for Rider grows every episode.. This is basically how I feel. He's my favorite character now. |
Ukyo9 said: We can still call this 'inferior' copy. The reason Steins;Gate got good reception being adaptation was not just about following the original plot - it amplified the emotional impact it had in other way and made clear interpretation about it. Here, ufotable copied the novel word to word and that's not a matterial for criticism. In this episode, I saw sakuga hokai, horrible directions, left out plot, and destroyed characterisation. Delicious Light Novel Readers rage is so damn delicious. I too have read it but I am not mad. Why? Because this is animation, they have to "adapt" things, we can't have an exact, word-for-word copy of the novel. Would it be good? Yes. Does this destroy this episode? No. Please, don't transform those discussions in the new iteration of the "novel vs anime". The episode was good. Yes, it was. We lost some characterization in the middle but that's to be expected. Missing of characterisation is 'EXPECTED'? You do know it, and you use that arguement as a defend? Don't make me laugh. It is just unacceptable. |
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ringoo4 said: Thank you for your biased input. Ukyo9 said: We can still call this 'inferior' copy. The reason Steins;Gate got good reception being adaptation was not just about following the original plot - it amplified the emotional impact it had in other way and made clear interpretation about it. Here, ufotable copied the novel word to word and that's not a matterial for criticism. In this episode, I saw sakuga hokai, horrible directions, left out plot, and destroyed characterisation. Delicious Light Novel Readers rage is so damn delicious. I too have read it but I am not mad. Why? Because this is animation, they have to "adapt" things, we can't have an exact, word-for-word copy of the novel. Would it be good? Yes. Does this destroy this episode? No. Please, don't transform those discussions in the new iteration of the "novel vs anime". The episode was good. Yes, it was. We lost some characterization in the middle but that's to be expected. Missing of characterisation is 'EXPECTED'? You do know it, and you use that arguement as a defend? Don't make me laugh. It is just unacceptable. I dropped SG at ep7 btw. |
| Reading the posts of all those who have read the Light Novel, I would say I'm quite happy that I haven't read it at all since other wise I probably would have been pissed of as well. But instead I can say for sure that this was the best episode in Fate/Zero by far and that Rider is fucking awesome and his noble phantasm is badass, and that he has been put in my favorite character list. |
Viking1337 said: Reading the posts of all those who have read the Light Novel, I would say I'm quite happy that I haven't read it at all since other wise I probably would have been pissed of as well. But instead I can say for sure that this was the best episode in Fate/Zero by far and that Rider is fucking awesome and his noble phantasm is badass, and that he has been put in my favorite character list. This. I myself have not read the Light Novel, which luckily I haven't, but I'm also a bit sad to see that Gilgamesh also had more to say that wasn't shown in the episode. I hope the Blu Rays can sort that out. As for the episode. It was overwhelming at least. I've given the show 10 from episode 4 and still stand corrected. Rider entering the castle in his fashion way and just starts a banquet like a boss. Then I see Archer appear. Epic orgasm right there. I've now seen it, 3 kings in Fate\Zero chillin' with the finest wine from Gate of Babylon. Ufotable, thank you. Then Assassin appears with his many shadows and disturb the peace between the Three Kings. They piss of Rider, he then bring up his Reality Marble and Oh. My. Fucking. God... His fucking army from when he conquered the world appears behind and rallies to him. My face was =O literally, it was so epic to watch that. Nerdgasm right there. I'm not worthy for this episode. All the Assassins get slain and Kotomine Kirei shouldn't look forward to Archer's visit to him later if ever. Again, another fantastic episode. A lot of blogging to build up to the upcoming event that will wrap up the 1st season until we're all agonizing in a long break until the final season starts. Also is the next episode a double episodes to be aired? |
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| The QUALITY in this episode was way over the top. One of the best scenes in the novel, and it was hindered by derp faces and low budget. Still, not a bad episode. Ionian Hetairoi was flawless. I actually felt bad for Assassin. Just watching them get smashed. 4/5 |
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Viking1337 said: Reading the posts of all those who have read the Light Novel, I would say I'm quite happy that I haven't read it at all since other wise I probably would have been pissed of as well. But instead I can say for sure that this was the best episode in Fate/Zero by far and that Rider is fucking awesome and his noble phantasm is badass, and that he has been put in my favorite character list. Ditto your sentiments. It's one of the reasons why I usually watch the anime first and then read the manga/light novel later. |
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Elite60 said: In this case I agree with you but in some other animes I don't TBH. Viking1337 said: Reading the posts of all those who have read the Light Novel, I would say I'm quite happy that I haven't read it at all since other wise I probably would have been pissed of as well. But instead I can say for sure that this was the best episode in Fate/Zero by far and that Rider is fucking awesome and his noble phantasm is badass, and that he has been put in my favorite character list. Ditto your sentiments. It's one of the reasons why I usually watch the anime first and then read the manga/light novel later. In any case my nerdrage is averted. |
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| Ringoo4, is it possible for you to tell exactly what has been left out? As in, what Gilgamesh's standing on how a king should act? And why Gilgamesh just sat there (it was quite out of character imo)? I'm quite curious on the differences, so I hope you can help. |
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| As someone who has read the novel, the cuts are always somewhat irritating. However, lets be reasonable. You can't expect an adaptation to be 100% faithful to the source material. This is especially true when you have these kinds of time constraints. Whether it's included in the BD is yet to be seen. I feel it's better to judge a product based on its own merits rather than comparing it to another form of media. In any case, I really liked this episode. I've been looking forward to seeing this animated for a long time. EDIT: It's also likely that the loose ends will be tied up next episode. |
Arcane587Dec 10, 2011 9:37 PM
snowgreen said: You call it 'opinion' in other words. Thank you sir.ringoo4 said: Thank you for your biased input. Ukyo9 said: We can still call this 'inferior' copy. The reason Steins;Gate got good reception being adaptation was not just about following the original plot - it amplified the emotional impact it had in other way and made clear interpretation about it. Here, ufotable copied the novel word to word and that's not a matterial for criticism. In this episode, I saw sakuga hokai, horrible directions, left out plot, and destroyed characterisation. Delicious Light Novel Readers rage is so damn delicious. I too have read it but I am not mad. Why? Because this is animation, they have to "adapt" things, we can't have an exact, word-for-word copy of the novel. Would it be good? Yes. Does this destroy this episode? No. Please, don't transform those discussions in the new iteration of the "novel vs anime". The episode was good. Yes, it was. We lost some characterization in the middle but that's to be expected. Missing of characterisation is 'EXPECTED'? You do know it, and you use that arguement as a defend? Don't make me laugh. It is just unacceptable. I dropped SG at ep7 btw. Kurogashi said: Well, just think that the conversation between three king was supposed to be almost 1 hour worth.Ringoo4, is it possible for you to tell exactly what has been left out? As in, what Gilgamesh's standing on how a king should act? And why Gilgamesh just sat there (it was quite out of character imo)? I'm quite curious on the differences, so I hope you can help. Elite60 said: That really has no difference from vice versa. :/Ditto your sentiments. It's one of the reasons why I usually watch the anime first and then read the manga/light novel later. |
Viking1337 said: Reading the posts of all those who have read the Light Novel, I would say I'm quite happy that I haven't read it at all since other wise I probably would have been pissed of as well. But instead I can say for sure that this was the best episode in Fate/Zero by far and that Rider is fucking awesome and his noble phantasm is badass, and that he has been put in my favorite character list. Same here. I'm planning to read the novels after the show finishes. I'm sort of mad that all Gil's lines got cut, but Rider was awesome. Looks like Gil has respect for Iskander. Anyways I still loved this episode just like every other one. 5/5. |
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| I loved the content of this episode, but seriously... the faces were so derpy... that it caused me to fixate sometimes more on the faces than on the dialogue... A potentially great episode ruined by a low budget? Seriously, what on earth happened to the animation department for this episode. |
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| That was an interesting dialogue-heavy ep despite the weird faces. And Iskander got an awesome Noble Phantasm. |
| I don't mind things that aren't beautifully animated or scenery that is not extremely detailed, but the one thing that the animation has to NAIL is facial expressions because not only does the face show the emotion and thoughts of a character, it makes the viewers believe that these animated pixels have a life to them. 9/10 in this episode, Saber especially, had a vacant expression where their eyes don't seem to be looking at the same place. It completely and utterly detracts from the powerful clash of ideals in this episode. I am seriously disappointed. Aside from the derpy art, the rest was beautifully done. It is a serious shame... Although Iskander does have an awesome Noble Phantasm, Saber arguably has the most powerful, |
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| Saber sure got TOLD. Why did Assassin appear in front of the 3 strongest servants in the 4th Grail War? That seems stupid. Does Tokiomi have a plan? Are there enough Assassins left to stalk each and every master and servant? How many Assassins are there anyway? Including the ones who have died. |
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| U can not imagine how fast my heart was pumping when Rider unleashed his EPIC NP, it was way above GODLY |
| Rider is a boss, and Saber got told; good way to get back to the normal feel of the show after the laid back Rin episode. Rider's Noble Phantasm was awesome, it makes me want to see how another servant (besides assassin) would fair like perhaps Saber or Lancer or anybody for that matter. Is it just me or is Saber becoming unlikeable in Fate/Zero; i always viewed her as a top character even in a show like Fate/stay night (which compared to this is well... i think anybody can fill in that blank with creativity) but it seems like all she is now is someone who just won't let go of her pride; she even almost got Kiritsugu killed. Well anyway i agreed with Rider in that little conversation because ideals only take one so far; and also you should never regret the outcome of matters in my opinion otherwise you are spitting on what was done simply because the end wasn't favorable. I haven't read the novels so i really look forward to see how they are gonna "wrap" up the first half before the intermission between this and Fate/Zero 2. |
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| yeah, Ionian Hetaroi is just epic win... but this episode's art is terrible. wonder if they will fix it in the BD release. They used the budget that should be spent on this episode on that loli-focus episode. that's unwise in my opinion. |
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| Great episode, the best so far. I loved the conversation between Saber and Rider, mainly because I've always found Saber's regret over her "failing" her kingdom to be incredibly interesting. I honestly didn't even notice much of anything wrong with the animation, except for a few things here and there. i can't help but think that people are making a big deal out of not much, I mean I know i felt the impact of Rider's speech. If the novels even better than this, then holy shit. |
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