BanG Dream! Ave Mujica Episode 10 Discussion

@Hormigo
it wouldnt go that far to be "manipulative", but I would say the real reason can make Saki suffer probably go to Nyamu, other is quite decent.
this episode failed to extract the negative effect of the characters, if Saki keeps running then from what I said in the previous episode, she'll be more and more like her father so deep inside, she probably knows it, either you raise your hand to grab all of what is left or lets go of everything and you have nothing.

@Myetx I think that this clearly meant that she simply returned to her “real” personality. Since the idea of ​​turning into a new person would be a very problematic message in the context of a character with a similar mental problem.

UPD. In an interview with the 9th episode, the director confirmed that Uka's subplot will indeed be developed in future episodes. No matter how it ends, at least they do not just tease.

Sakiko didn't enjoy any of those bits, it was done out of obligation and responsibility, i hope most people didn't miss this point, even Sakiko's VA tweeted about this. A band reunion that was born out of selfish desires of each members and Sakiko's bitter acceptance. The performances are absolutely amazing btw, im obsessed with the new songs.

I can get the direction of ave mujica being the opposite of Mygo, but it has issues with pacing. This is not something would feel complete with only 13 episodes. There's a lot of details in the story and new plot points that they showed. Yet this also means there's too questions left to answer within the last 3 episodes?

@Okami_doge According to the screenwriter, a sharp change in tone was the produser's decision.

@Myetx The personality of the most ordinary person. The idea of ​​creating a new personality would be very problematic for the story about such a syndrome in any case. In this case, the message also was that she finally found the peace and the understanding that others (through the local "Mother of Love" Nyamu) love her and she would not need to pretend anymore.

@Okami_doge So many people really did not understand the motives of Sakiko that even her VA had to explain this?

@RobertBobert Ok, hear me out about Mutsumi. Does she have 'real' personality?
We were told that she is natural actress and can play many 'roles' to please people around her. Which I understand is that she is very adaptable to her surroundings while does not have her own preferences.
Then we were told that Mutsumi-chan role that loves playing guitar became dominant role and that was her 'current' personality we knew from MyGO and beginning of Ave Mujica. Mortis appeared to help Mutsumi's suffering but long story short, I cannot understand why she couldn't upgrade (of create new) role to play guitar and act (and be happier as a result).
So which role/personality do you mean as a 'real'?

@Myetx As I understand Mortis and Mutsumi have become a whole. Like Sakiko is oblivus, Nyamu Amoris, Umuri

Timoris, Uika Doloris, Mortis lacked Mutsumi to be the real character that should always have been, but that does not mean that he changes personality, they are really now mutsumi/ mortis as a whole, but I can be wrong 😅😅😅, but I have understood so

I don't know, ever since episode 9's ending. I feel like something is missing.

For today ep. I still don't get it, the reason behind why Sakiko suddenly decide to do Mujica again. Is it because she still trying to find the answer? just like what's written in Tomori's notebook?


I still don't know what's missing. Ever since watching this series. This is the first time I got distracted and try to open my phone.

Well made episode with niche references to small details previously stated on older episodes, especially to the Nyamu's apparent love for Mutsumi ('s acting? Her as a whole?) as well for the song from Uika for Sakiko, which ended up to be for Nyamu to bond more with Muuko.
I totally forgot about the interest Amoris had on her before, but we all knew how she was majorly affected since the day of Mortis' performance and possession.

@ntonino The episode name refers to the Latin idiom “I hate and still love you”, meaning that Nyamu “hates” her because of jealousy of her talents, but still loves her thanks to her admiration for her talents. The classical idea of ​​Love Hate to a person you admire, but at the same time you are jealous because of the superiority over you. In general, I do not know how it will develop further, but in general it is a rather intuitive metaphor for its envy/admiration. Nyamu also, knowing the situation of Mutsumi, wanted to show that she appreciates her original personality, motivating the latter to return to her real self over the “fictional” one. In general, there is a fairly simple logic if you think well.

@Yui_Suzumiya69 Emm, it is quite obvious that they imposed on her the revival of the group without her will.

@RobertBobert I think that Nyamu, other than the fact that hates Mutsumi (or Mortis, if we talk acting-wise?), might as well feel pity for how her mother treats her, considering she thought back about how her mother called her "scary" due to her diverse personality she has built over time. Definitely interesting how both of her and Uika were looking forward to Ave Mujica's comeback.

It's interesting to try and make assumptions over the relationship of these girls, but also kind of hard to keep up. Right now, we have Mutsumi interested in Sakiko, Sakiko herself interested in both Mutsumi and Uika (but more for the former), Uika REALLY desperate for Sakiko, Nyamu who has always built a love for Mutsumi's talent, Umiri... I don't know, looks like she's on her own at this point, or I lost track (thanks, excessively fast-paced timing)...

@ntonin I think you focus too much on the dynamics of the characters, while the main idea of the show is how Sakiko’s created group affects their central "problems" (which is reflected in their pseudonyms), working with her bandmates as puppets (which the show hints at at a synopsis level, listing what feelings are in their rock band). Given the director’s words about how he developed the concept of Ave Mujika, I would call it a kind of circus of mental problems under Sakiko rule. The dynamics of the characters is just an embodiment of that.

@RobertBobert yeah, that's probably it. I still have not understood, though, why exactly Ave Mujica was founded; I reckon from previous episodes that Sakiko left CRYCHiC, which she was the very own founder, because of the issues she was facing with her family to focus more on her career, but Ave Mujica exists because she feels like "a puppet" who only exists only under different circumstances (full moon, which possibly represents the friendship existing only under a band?).

Ave Mujica is now reunited because of an extremist dependence of each other that sequentially built after the band; Nyamu and the others did not know personally each other, yet bonded with some characters. May have Sakiko done this in order to "conquer" over MyGO!!!!! and make Tomorin suffer, as she mentioned when she showed up to ask her to reunite for CRYCHiC the first time?

I really would like many explainations over someone who knows more about these kind of lore, I'm interested on this but I barely have any understand as I have zero experience :-(

@ntonino This is purely my assumption, but I think that both shows are metaphorically symbolize two sides of young life and mental experience. A healthier and more properly treated in the case of Mygo and more neglected, injured in Ave Mujika. At least the screenwriter and director said that they studied in detail the experience of youth and youth groups to create story.

@RobertBobert that seems exactly like so — after all, I'd say that MyGO!!!!! was more on the soft side, where the characters worked together to solve their personal issues and doubts of friendships, with a sweet end (for some, which I guess it's the same reason why we still see Soyorin appearing from time to time).

Meanwhile, Ave Mujica is more about going through what is going on in the minds of each characters and their different issues (and, possibly, illnesses); this is especially true for Mutsumi. I like it so far especially for this characteristic, the curation of details for each protagonist, and how one may interfere with the other's lives.

What I've been considering of doing since a while is, due the fact of how twisting and spicy the story has gotten, rewatching both shows under the eyes of one that knows what's wrong with who, and how they might relate with the others.

Up until now (before Ave Mujica), Mutsumi was all about the "silent and talented girl" while now it feels like she's the crazy one out of all. Sakiko and Soyorin is a friendship not much talked about, and her relationship with all the previously members of CRYCHiC is something to decipher, all of this making the story more and more eye-catching.

@ntonino Now it all depends on how this season will end and how the opposition of two shows for each other will look in a finished form. The name of the next episode is even more focused on love, as far as I see. So whatever the background of Uka turns out, it seems that Nyamu will clearly lose to her in the status of the character whose main “problem” is love, lmao.

@RobertBobert oh yeah, definitely. Uika was seriously enthusiast of Sakiko, there's for sure something going on her mind that will be shown on the next episode. She's probably the one who shows the emotion of love the most between the five.