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Apr 13, 2022 8:39 PM
#51
Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. |
Apr 14, 2022 1:41 AM
#52
Steins; Gate has a loophole...that's why Steins; Gate 0 was released..sorry my bad english |
Apr 14, 2022 4:14 AM
#53
You should watch it. Obviously not as outstanding as the first season because it was a masterpiece but 0 is still great. Watching 0 gives you more perspectives and understanding about the story. |
Apr 14, 2022 12:02 PM
#54
PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline |
Apr 14, 2022 12:55 PM
#55
Jesus Christ, not this again, don't recommend the Chronological Order to new people, and by the way, that order is not even Chronological in the first place. The Chronological Order has ruined it to some people, I've never heard the Release Order ruining it for anyone but I've heard the Chronological Order ruining it to some people since you are basically stopping the climax and the best part of Steins;Gate to watch a new slower, mediocre anime in the middle of it, the pacing will get ruined, just stop recommending that crappy Chronological Order. And on top of it, not everyone will like Steins;Gate 0 so the Chronological Order will ruin it for them 100%, I'm one of the few people that dislike Steins;Gate 0 and trust me, that shitty Chronological Order would have ruined it for me as well. Just let people enjoy the anime the way it was intended to be watched with the Release Order and NEVER suggest anyone to watch that crappy Chronological Order since there's a chance that their experience will get ruined with that crappy order. |
xZabuzaxApr 14, 2022 1:09 PM
Apr 14, 2022 12:55 PM
#56
definitely does not ruin the original Steins;Gate, I liked how it expanded upon it actually. is it as good as the original? nope. it has a lot flaws (the predictability, characters being ooc, every girl's boobs doubling in size in just four months), but they're nothing major so it's still an enjoyable watch. so yes if you want more Steins;Gate watch this, but remember to watch Episode 23B before this as it basically sets the stage for Steins;Gate 0 |
Apr 15, 2022 1:25 PM
#57
Taidus said: It's like the ending to Erased, It gets crazy but it's still worth the watch! There is no way you compared it to the ending of erased. the ending was top notch and some episodes including the final episodes are like 9.8 rated |
Apr 15, 2022 1:27 PM
#58
oddeyez said: Like the title says. I've heard people say that this ruins the original anime and the characters, but I've also heard people say it's as good as the original. As someone who loved the original I just want to hear everyone else's takes on this It doesn't ruin it, it literally just makes it twice as good. It's just as amazing as the first season but the peaks are even better. And idk who says it ruins it because it has the perfect ending and also this isn't really a spoiler but the whole thing is just taking place in a different world line so it doesn't effect the original. |
Apr 17, 2022 8:49 AM
#59
watch it now!!! but only after watching the first series |
Apr 17, 2022 1:35 PM
#60
Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline What you fail to understand that Okabe gets the video message in Ep1, meaning that 0 already happened when S;G starts (a D-Mail can only come from a previous worldline) |
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Apr 17, 2022 1:38 PM
#61
nishiziq0 said: Steins; Gate has a loophole...that's why Steins; Gate 0 was released..sorry my bad english No, Steins;Gate doesn't have any loopholes. And the reason Steins;Gate 0 was made is to earn money after the sales of Chaos;Child didn't turn out as good as Mages expected (though parts of 0's story started to release in 2010) |
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Apr 17, 2022 11:02 PM
#62
SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline What you fail to understand that Okabe gets the video message in Ep1, meaning that 0 already happened when S;G starts (a D-Mail can only come from a previous worldline) No I get that. Time is linear where you follow one line from the past travelling to the present, but not travelling from the present to the future because it diverges. Episode 23β best explains the divergence and my episode ordering. I believe it is a full length episode, but 23β explains what I'm trying to explain here as it serves as the prequel to SG0. It takes the events of ep23 and shows how SG0 was made possible. Then, as I explained before, SG0 loops back to SG and finishes with SG ep 25. Loop complete |
Frogdude59Apr 17, 2022 11:08 PM
Apr 18, 2022 12:20 AM
#63
Frogdude59 said: SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline What you fail to understand that Okabe gets the video message in Ep1, meaning that 0 already happened when S;G starts (a D-Mail can only come from a previous worldline) No I get that. Time is linear where you follow one line from the past travelling to the present, but not travelling from the present to the future because it diverges. Episode 23β best explains the divergence and my episode ordering. I believe it is a full length episode, but 23β explains what I'm trying to explain here as it serves as the prequel to SG0. It takes the events of ep23 and shows how SG0 was made possible. Then, as I explained before, SG0 loops back to SG and finishes with SG ep 25. Loop complete But that's not how chronologically goes. That's why the order makes no sense. 0 doesn't "loops back" to SG, at the end there is still a few iterations away when S;G Okabe reaches SG 23b is also not a prequel to 0 anime, even the dates are contradicting each other (23b: Okabe meets Amadeus on Nov 28th, 0 anime: Dec 11th). 23b was purely a marketing to Steins;Gate 0 VN. And 0 anime is also a sequel to 0 VN, not its adaptation |
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Apr 18, 2022 12:28 AM
#64
oddeyez said: Like the title says. I've heard people say that this ruins the original anime and the characters, but I've also heard people say it's as good as the original. As someone who loved the original I just want to hear everyone else's takes on this it does some thing very wrong and some things very right. the show jumps around being dog shit, ok, good, very good and masterpiece that lives up to the original. is it shit? yes some of the episodes and moments are just straight up garbage is it amazing? also yes, 0 has some of my favorite moments in anime out there. i say it's best moments are even better than the best moments of the original. |
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Apr 18, 2022 12:49 AM
#65
SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline What you fail to understand that Okabe gets the video message in Ep1, meaning that 0 already happened when S;G starts (a D-Mail can only come from a previous worldline) No I get that. Time is linear where you follow one line from the past travelling to the present, but not travelling from the present to the future because it diverges. Episode 23β best explains the divergence and my episode ordering. I believe it is a full length episode, but 23β explains what I'm trying to explain here as it serves as the prequel to SG0. It takes the events of ep23 and shows how SG0 was made possible. Then, as I explained before, SG0 loops back to SG and finishes with SG ep 25. Loop complete But that's not how chronologically goes. That's why the order makes no sense. 0 doesn't "loops back" to SG, at the end there is still a few iterations away when S;G Okabe reaches SG 23b is also not a prequel to 0 anime, even the dates are contradicting each other (23b: Okabe meets Amadeus on Nov 28th, 0 anime: Dec 11th). 23b was purely a marketing to Steins;Gate 0 VN. And 0 anime is also a sequel to 0 VN, not its adaptation The SG wiki says otherwise on 23β being a prequel for SG0. Along with how we start SG0 on the rooftop and return to that point in ep24 I'm going to agree to disagree on that point. For the dates, its been a while since I played either VN, but I remember SG happened in the summer and ended in the summer. The entire ordeal happened over two or three weeks, but still remained in summer. SG0 I think began in the last few days of November, first few days of December. Suzuha also clearly is anxious with Okabe not wanting to time travel because she can only travel so far back with the amount of fuel she has. With Okabe vowing to never time travel, that date is reaching the outer limits of her travel capabilities, but she can still get back to that flashpoint of where Okabe has to make a decision |
Frogdude59Apr 18, 2022 12:52 AM
Apr 18, 2022 1:07 AM
#66
Frogdude59 said: SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline What you fail to understand that Okabe gets the video message in Ep1, meaning that 0 already happened when S;G starts (a D-Mail can only come from a previous worldline) No I get that. Time is linear where you follow one line from the past travelling to the present, but not travelling from the present to the future because it diverges. Episode 23β best explains the divergence and my episode ordering. I believe it is a full length episode, but 23β explains what I'm trying to explain here as it serves as the prequel to SG0. It takes the events of ep23 and shows how SG0 was made possible. Then, as I explained before, SG0 loops back to SG and finishes with SG ep 25. Loop complete But that's not how chronologically goes. That's why the order makes no sense. 0 doesn't "loops back" to SG, at the end there is still a few iterations away when S;G Okabe reaches SG 23b is also not a prequel to 0 anime, even the dates are contradicting each other (23b: Okabe meets Amadeus on Nov 28th, 0 anime: Dec 11th). 23b was purely a marketing to Steins;Gate 0 VN. And 0 anime is also a sequel to 0 VN, not its adaptation The SG wiki says otherwise on 23β being a prequel for SG0. Along with how we start SG0 on the rooftop and return to that point in ep24 I'm going to agree to disagree on that point. For the dates, its been a while since I played either VN, but I remember SG happened in the summer and ended in the summer. The entire ordeal happened over two or three weeks, but still remained in summer. SG0 I think began in the last few days of November, first few days of December. Suzuha also clearly is anxious with Okabe not wanting to time travel because she can only travel so far back with the amount of fuel she has. With Okabe vowing to never time travel, that date is reaching the outer limits of her travel capabilities, but she can still get back to that flashpoint of where Okabe has to make a decision Wiki is not an official source. 23b was purely made for marketing reasons back in 2015 to promote the release of the VN. S;G0 VN begins at the end of November, that's correct, and that is aligned with 23b where there is an after credits scene Okabe meeting Amadeus on Nov 28. I'm talking about the anime, which starts on Dec 10th. That's clearly a contradiction with 23b, so 23b can't be a prequel to 0 anime. |
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Apr 18, 2022 2:33 PM
#67
SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: SciADV_Maniac said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: PikaboyTK said: Frogdude59 said: I say watch it. I recommended this to a friend and, without spoiling too much, I would watch SG up to "the slap" (you'll know what I mean when you see it), immediately switch over to SG 0, watch til you see the slap again, and then switch back to finish SG episodes 24 and 25 I think. That is literally the worst way to watch Steins;Gate. There's no reason to stop the original to watch 0 in between. It doesn't even make sense chronologically. Just quoting my friend. Thats how he phrased it and it worked. I don't see what the problem is as it makes sense to me chronologically. Mayuri was the guide at the fork in the road. Her action or inaction decided which path Okabe travels. If she did nothing, the SG0 timeline begins. And I obviously disagree. Why else would they include the part from SG in SG0 after Mayuri does her thing? The reason why it doesn't make sense to insert S;G 0 in between S;G is because it doesn't take place in between S;G. S;G 0 is pretty much a prequel as it follows the Okabe who has already failed to save Kurisu and couldn't watch the video from his future self. That's why they probably named it 0 as well, 0 is the past and 1 is the future. If one is really hell-bent at watching entirety of Steins;Gate in "chronological" order, then the best order would probably be S;G upto ep 22, Missing Link, S;G 0, S;G again all the way to the end. Regardless, Steins;Gate 0 is supposed to be watched in its entirety after finishing all of Steins;Gate. The "Milky-way Crossing" ending causes the divergence into the Steins Gate as Okabe instructs himself how to do what he did after he failed. Same as the games. This divergence SG0 Okabe creates is what allows SG Okabe to enter the Steins Gate. SG0 starts as if he hadn't been told how to save Kurisu and ends with the divergence back into the Steins Gate timeline What you fail to understand that Okabe gets the video message in Ep1, meaning that 0 already happened when S;G starts (a D-Mail can only come from a previous worldline) No I get that. Time is linear where you follow one line from the past travelling to the present, but not travelling from the present to the future because it diverges. Episode 23β best explains the divergence and my episode ordering. I believe it is a full length episode, but 23β explains what I'm trying to explain here as it serves as the prequel to SG0. It takes the events of ep23 and shows how SG0 was made possible. Then, as I explained before, SG0 loops back to SG and finishes with SG ep 25. Loop complete But that's not how chronologically goes. That's why the order makes no sense. 0 doesn't "loops back" to SG, at the end there is still a few iterations away when S;G Okabe reaches SG 23b is also not a prequel to 0 anime, even the dates are contradicting each other (23b: Okabe meets Amadeus on Nov 28th, 0 anime: Dec 11th). 23b was purely a marketing to Steins;Gate 0 VN. And 0 anime is also a sequel to 0 VN, not its adaptation The SG wiki says otherwise on 23β being a prequel for SG0. Along with how we start SG0 on the rooftop and return to that point in ep24 I'm going to agree to disagree on that point. For the dates, its been a while since I played either VN, but I remember SG happened in the summer and ended in the summer. The entire ordeal happened over two or three weeks, but still remained in summer. SG0 I think began in the last few days of November, first few days of December. Suzuha also clearly is anxious with Okabe not wanting to time travel because she can only travel so far back with the amount of fuel she has. With Okabe vowing to never time travel, that date is reaching the outer limits of her travel capabilities, but she can still get back to that flashpoint of where Okabe has to make a decision Wiki is not an official source. 23b was purely made for marketing reasons back in 2015 to promote the release of the VN. S;G0 VN begins at the end of November, that's correct, and that is aligned with 23b where there is an after credits scene Okabe meeting Amadeus on Nov 28. I'm talking about the anime, which starts on Dec 10th. That's clearly a contradiction with 23b, so 23b can't be a prequel to 0 anime. Maybe it was a production error, maybe it was intentional. I don't know. I do know that we're going in circles here. I've presented my points, you've presented good evidence too and we are still at an impasse. Let us let OP read through our chat and they can decide how they want to watch it. Thanks as well. I love talking about how people interpret time travel media. Like this interaction, I haven't found someone who follows time travel the same as me so the your insight was enlightening |
May 25, 2022 12:47 PM
#68
Honestly. I hated this show. I wanted to love it. I kept waiting for it to get good. I'd say the thing that holds it back the most structurally is that it's designed to be an interquel where everything must be self-contained. Honestly, if this anime were completely stand-alone with original characters, I would rate it more highly. But unfortunately, it's distinctly tied with the original. The movie, while screwing around with the laws of the universe, was much better imo. For a more in-depth breakdown of why I dislike the show. For starters the writing here really suffers. Part of what made the original great were all the twists, turns, and surprises where seemingly little things you thought were weird come back later in interesting ways. At times there's so much going on, you completely forget about earlier elements and go WTF!? Zero's writing in comparison is cliche and paint-by-numbers. Every twist is telegraphed from the very beginning characters are introduced. The plot really doesn't move forward at all until the final 6 episodes or so. Honestly you could skip to the last few episodes with a Star Wars style text crawl and not really miss anything essential to the story, characters, or world-building. So the question you might ask is, "If nothing really happens during the show, how on Earth do they fill out enough runtime for 23 episodes? Firstly Like all the "best" writers, characters simply fail to communicate meaningfully about much of anything until it's absolutely necessary, so you get to watch the group perpetually spin their wheels; hitting their heads against a wall they could have bypassed eons ago. Secondly, they consistently tease at emotional moments from the original, "Member when you cried? I member..." without really providing any payoff. They go so far that despite the action-packed opening heavily featuring the hunt for Kurisu, she basically isn't in the anime. They bring in an AI version of her from before she met Kyouma, that really only exists to hit knock-off versions of the original relationship story beats and serve as a red herring. They bring in her future daughter (something that is never addressed). They bring in her friend to be the new genius that falls in love with Okabe. Kurisu, herself, barely exists in flashbacks and dreams, and is only present for a single episode to repeat the choice scene (just when you think things are finally starting to happen). Third, moping. This is moping, the anime. And it hardly seems justified here given how the characters are handled. All of them feel off in an uncanny valley type way. Comparing it to how the relationships were strained in the original show highlights how good this dynamic could be if actual planning and character development went into it. But if characters aren't moping, they'd be doing things, and that would risk actually moving the plot forward. Part of what made the serious character breaking moments in the original so powerful was that they were rare and understandable. You experienced the heartbreak and hopelessness with them. A permanently serious Okabe just isn't Okabe, and there are no real shadows of his former self (even putting chunibyo aside). But this isn't even just depressed Okabe. This is defeatist fake-emo "cliche PTSD ad" "abandon all my friends at the drop of a hat," Okabe. He's not struggling to make things better. He's not struggling to finding alternate solutions. He's not struggling to process his feelings; he's not really communicating them at all outside of delivering the same canned speech that misses all of the MOST IMPORTANT points to his trauma. He's not talking to his friends or trying to really be there for them in other ways. He doesn't try at all. His entire purpose in this show is to be the force that says, "There's no point in trying. No one should do anything. Let's be miserable apart." I can perfectly understand that plot thread. I can buy and empathize with all of those emotions. I can see myself enjoying watching the character go through that journey. But it's all stilted. Fake. Wooden. It sounds deep because of its source material, but it's not even surface level. It's tell me how you feel not show me. It's here's Okabe crying for the millionth time, so surely you must feel sad. Well, I don't. I feel cheated. I feel bored. This show doesn't even touch on the elements it introduces or the most interesting mysteries in the original. Mozart? Boring symbolism that means nothing beyond arrogance and rivalry. The brainwashing facility? Completely meaningless. The fact that the enemy servers log all the data Amadeus hears and sees, mentioned but completely irrelevant (They have to hack into her "deep" memory instead). A connection between Kagara and Amadeus? Nope. The fact that global world powers know they're connected to time machines through Kurisu? Doesn't matter at all until the end. People in the Akiba falling sick repeatedly with Reading Steiner in the hospital the Professor runs? Boring. Being allied with the Rounders? They basically don't exist after one episode. SERN's ability to search the entire internet and dark web for info on time travel? Next. Okabe getting Reading Steiner as a child? Nope. Miyuri visiting him at the Event Horizon? Yawn. WW3? It's a boring, peaceful place all things considered. Okabe knowing intimately that all of his friends romantically love him? We only allow cliche harem antics here, but you're not allowed to enjoy the sparse fanservice that comes alongside. Kurisu's dad defecting to Russia? Convenient convenience. All this show really accomplishes is establishing a whole mess of plot holes. There are a few great shots here and there, some funny jokes, some tugs at the heartstrings. But it's all drowned in the terrible writing and poor character design. This exact same plot could have been told infinitely better in a shorter runtime with better pacing. And I usually enjoy slow-burns. |
May 26, 2022 2:17 AM
#69
Darkdaxter said: Honestly. I hated this show. I wanted to love it. I kept waiting for it to get good. I'd say the thing that holds it back the most structurally is that it's designed to be an interquel where everything must be self-contained. Honestly, if this anime were completely stand-alone with original characters, I would rate it more highly. But unfortunately, it's distinctly tied with the original. The movie, while screwing around with the laws of the universe, was much better imo. For a more in-depth breakdown of why I dislike the show. For starters the writing here really suffers. Part of what made the original great were all the twists, turns, and surprises where seemingly little things you thought were weird come back later in interesting ways. At times there's so much going on, you completely forget about earlier elements and go WTF!? Zero's writing in comparison is cliche and paint-by-numbers. Every twist is telegraphed from the very beginning characters are introduced. The plot really doesn't move forward at all until the final 6 episodes or so. Honestly you could skip to the last few episodes with a Star Wars style text crawl and not really miss anything essential to the story, characters, or world-building. So the question you might ask is, "If nothing really happens during the show, how on Earth do they fill out enough runtime for 23 episodes? Firstly Like all the "best" writers, characters simply fail to communicate meaningfully about much of anything until it's absolutely necessary, so you get to watch the group perpetually spin their wheels; hitting their heads against a wall they could have bypassed eons ago. Secondly, they consistently tease at emotional moments from the original, "Member when you cried? I member..." without really providing any payoff. They go so far that despite the action-packed opening heavily featuring the hunt for Kurisu, she basically isn't in the anime. They bring in an AI version of her from before she met Kyouma, that really only exists to hit knock-off versions of the original relationship story beats and serve as a red herring. They bring in her future daughter (something that is never addressed). They bring in her friend to be the new genius that falls in love with Okabe. Kurisu, herself, barely exists in flashbacks and dreams, and is only present for a single episode to repeat the choice scene (just when you think things are finally starting to happen). Third, moping. This is moping, the anime. And it hardly seems justified here given how the characters are handled. All of them feel off in an uncanny valley type way. Comparing it to how the relationships were strained in the original show highlights how good this dynamic could be if actual planning and character development went into it. But if characters aren't moping, they'd be doing things, and that would risk actually moving the plot forward. Part of what made the serious character breaking moments in the original so powerful was that they were rare and understandable. You experienced the heartbreak and hopelessness with them. A permanently serious Okabe just isn't Okabe, and there are no real shadows of his former self (even putting chunibyo aside). But this isn't even just depressed Okabe. This is defeatist fake-emo "cliche PTSD ad" "abandon all my friends at the drop of a hat," Okabe. He's not struggling to make things better. He's not struggling to finding alternate solutions. He's not struggling to process his feelings; he's not really communicating them at all outside of delivering the same canned speech that misses all of the MOST IMPORTANT points to his trauma. He's not talking to his friends or trying to really be there for them in other ways. He doesn't try at all. His entire purpose in this show is to be the force that says, "There's no point in trying. No one should do anything. Let's be miserable apart." I can perfectly understand that plot thread. I can buy and empathize with all of those emotions. I can see myself enjoying watching the character go through that journey. But it's all stilted. Fake. Wooden. It sounds deep because of its source material, but it's not even surface level. It's tell me how you feel not show me. It's here's Okabe crying for the millionth time, so surely you must feel sad. Well, I don't. I feel cheated. I feel bored. This show doesn't even touch on the elements it introduces or the most interesting mysteries in the original. Mozart? Boring symbolism that means nothing beyond arrogance and rivalry. The brainwashing facility? Completely meaningless. The fact that the enemy servers log all the data Amadeus hears and sees, mentioned but completely irrelevant (They have to hack into her "deep" memory instead). A connection between Kagara and Amadeus? Nope. The fact that global world powers know they're connected to time machines through Kurisu? Doesn't matter at all until the end. People in the Akiba falling sick repeatedly with Reading Steiner in the hospital the Professor runs? Boring. Being allied with the Rounders? They basically don't exist after one episode. SERN's ability to search the entire internet and dark web for info on time travel? Next. Okabe getting Reading Steiner as a child? Nope. Miyuri visiting him at the Event Horizon? Yawn. WW3? It's a boring, peaceful place all things considered. Okabe knowing intimately that all of his friends romantically love him? We only allow cliche harem antics here, but you're not allowed to enjoy the sparse fanservice that comes alongside. Kurisu's dad defecting to Russia? Convenient convenience. All this show really accomplishes is establishing a whole mess of plot holes. There are a few great shots here and there, some funny jokes, some tugs at the heartstrings. But it's all drowned in the terrible writing and poor character design. This exact same plot could have been told infinitely better in a shorter runtime with better pacing. And I usually enjoy slow-burns. I see that many of your problems arise from that you've expected that this show is only dependent on the TV show called Steins;Gate... (which is actually a reasonable expectation from anime only customer). The fact is that this is TV show is nothing like that. It actually serves as a final route to the visual novel called Steins;Gate 0. The VN also works like this: the separate routes don't address all of the brought up points. However, the routes combined together are forming the great picture. Kagari is not Kurisu's future daughter btw. They are not related at all |
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May 27, 2022 5:07 AM
#70
Darkdaxter said: Honestly. I hated this show. I wanted to love it. I kept waiting for it to get good. I'd say the thing that holds it back the most structurally is that it's designed to be an interquel where everything must be self-contained. Honestly, if this anime were completely stand-alone with original characters, I would rate it more highly. But unfortunately, it's distinctly tied with the original. The movie, while screwing around with the laws of the universe, was much better imo. For a more in-depth breakdown of why I dislike the show. For starters the writing here really suffers. Part of what made the original great were all the twists, turns, and surprises where seemingly little things you thought were weird come back later in interesting ways. At times there's so much going on, you completely forget about earlier elements and go WTF!? Zero's writing in comparison is cliche and paint-by-numbers. Every twist is telegraphed from the very beginning characters are introduced. The plot really doesn't move forward at all until the final 6 episodes or so. Honestly you could skip to the last few episodes with a Star Wars style text crawl and not really miss anything essential to the story, characters, or world-building. So the question you might ask is, "If nothing really happens during the show, how on Earth do they fill out enough runtime for 23 episodes? Firstly Like all the "best" writers, characters simply fail to communicate meaningfully about much of anything until it's absolutely necessary, so you get to watch the group perpetually spin their wheels; hitting their heads against a wall they could have bypassed eons ago. Secondly, they consistently tease at emotional moments from the original, "Member when you cried? I member..." without really providing any payoff. They go so far that despite the action-packed opening heavily featuring the hunt for Kurisu, she basically isn't in the anime. They bring in an AI version of her from before she met Kyouma, that really only exists to hit knock-off versions of the original relationship story beats and serve as a red herring. They bring in her future daughter (something that is never addressed). They bring in her friend to be the new genius that falls in love with Okabe. Kurisu, herself, barely exists in flashbacks and dreams, and is only present for a single episode to repeat the choice scene (just when you think things are finally starting to happen). Third, moping. This is moping, the anime. And it hardly seems justified here given how the characters are handled. All of them feel off in an uncanny valley type way. Comparing it to how the relationships were strained in the original show highlights how good this dynamic could be if actual planning and character development went into it. But if characters aren't moping, they'd be doing things, and that would risk actually moving the plot forward. Part of what made the serious character breaking moments in the original so powerful was that they were rare and understandable. You experienced the heartbreak and hopelessness with them. A permanently serious Okabe just isn't Okabe, and there are no real shadows of his former self (even putting chunibyo aside). But this isn't even just depressed Okabe. This is defeatist fake-emo "cliche PTSD ad" "abandon all my friends at the drop of a hat," Okabe. He's not struggling to make things better. He's not struggling to finding alternate solutions. He's not struggling to process his feelings; he's not really communicating them at all outside of delivering the same canned speech that misses all of the MOST IMPORTANT points to his trauma. He's not talking to his friends or trying to really be there for them in other ways. He doesn't try at all. His entire purpose in this show is to be the force that says, "There's no point in trying. No one should do anything. Let's be miserable apart." I can perfectly understand that plot thread. I can buy and empathize with all of those emotions. I can see myself enjoying watching the character go through that journey. But it's all stilted. Fake. Wooden. It sounds deep because of its source material, but it's not even surface level. It's tell me how you feel not show me. It's here's Okabe crying for the millionth time, so surely you must feel sad. Well, I don't. I feel cheated. I feel bored. This show doesn't even touch on the elements it introduces or the most interesting mysteries in the original. Mozart? Boring symbolism that means nothing beyond arrogance and rivalry. The brainwashing facility? Completely meaningless. The fact that the enemy servers log all the data Amadeus hears and sees, mentioned but completely irrelevant (They have to hack into her "deep" memory instead). A connection between Kagara and Amadeus? Nope. The fact that global world powers know they're connected to time machines through Kurisu? Doesn't matter at all until the end. People in the Akiba falling sick repeatedly with Reading Steiner in the hospital the Professor runs? Boring. Being allied with the Rounders? They basically don't exist after one episode. SERN's ability to search the entire internet and dark web for info on time travel? Next. Okabe getting Reading Steiner as a child? Nope. Miyuri visiting him at the Event Horizon? Yawn. WW3? It's a boring, peaceful place all things considered. Okabe knowing intimately that all of his friends romantically love him? We only allow cliche harem antics here, but you're not allowed to enjoy the sparse fanservice that comes alongside. Kurisu's dad defecting to Russia? Convenient convenience. All this show really accomplishes is establishing a whole mess of plot holes. There are a few great shots here and there, some funny jokes, some tugs at the heartstrings. But it's all drowned in the terrible writing and poor character design. This exact same plot could have been told infinitely better in a shorter runtime with better pacing. And I usually enjoy slow-burns. I completely agree with everything you said but you forgot to mention the best things regarding Steins;Gate 0 so you need to give at least credit for it, and here they are: *Samurais *Action Scenes *Super Powers *Forty-something cat girls saying Nyah while gunning motherfuckers How can you forget about that man? it's obvious that WE ARE ALL WATCHING Steins;Gate 0 for those stuff I mentioned, when I saw Samurais killing soldiers with a sword when they are shooting at you with machine guns I was blown away, way too badass! when i saw Kagari dodging bullets and slashing heads off with her bare hands, my god, this anime deserves to be in the top 3 and not to mention, the action scenes are AWESOME!!!111oneone!!two and milf cat girls saying Nyah with perfectly cute spiral hair and gunning mother fuckers... priceless! It's not sarcasm... I swear. Ok, maybe just a bit. Yeah, Steins;Gate 0 is a piece of crap and it was nothing compared to Steins;Gate which is a masterpiece. |
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