Does the Protagonist feel like a bad guy to anyone else?

Apr 15, 2022 8:26 PM

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Blandmob said:

But u know, instead of killing him after suddenly showing him that he got great power because he said he just some ordinary useless dude, she can just u know, guide him slowly and tell him to not use the power recklessly and use it for good deeds, and maybe she can recruit him to join the church and eradicate these noble that are summoning these lost ones

I'm not saying that you're wrong, maybe he could have been coaxed into using his powers for the greater good. However, given that Menou was witness to another Lost One turning a town to a fine power because of a panic attack/brain rot, I can at least understand why she prefers the "better-safe-than-sorry" option.

Don't try to negotiate with a nuke.

Was it callous and unfair to our poor newbie isekai? Absolutely. She acknowledges that. Menou looked maybe satisfied with her work, but not gleeful. In the end, her job was to do some honest wetwork, not play life coach to a superpowered interdimensional alien.

Apr 16, 2022 2:57 AM

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Fivegears said:

I'm not saying that you're wrong, maybe he could have been coaxed into using his powers for the greater good. However, given that Menou was witness to another Lost One turning a town to a fine power because of a panic attack/brain rot, I can at least understand why she prefers the "better-safe-than-sorry" option.

Don't try to negotiate with a nuke.

Was it callous and unfair to our poor newbie isekai? Absolutely. She acknowledges that. Menou looked maybe satisfied with her work, but not gleeful. In the end, her job was to do some honest wetwork, not play life coach to a superpowered interdimensional alien.

Yeaaa, it just irritates me that she didnt even think about other available option at all, with the reason probably being her doctrined by the church teaching, and these people that justified her killing innocent.
the plot is pretty much clear now that eventually she changes her mind because of akari.

Apr 16, 2022 3:13 AM

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PirateIchigo_ said:

Blandmob said:

But u know, instead of killing him after suddenly showing him that he got great power because he said he just some ordinary useless dude, she can just u know, guide him slowly and tell him to not use the power recklessly and use it for good deeds, and maybe she can recruit him to join the church and eradicate these noble that are summoning these lost ones

That kinda sounds like beginning of Akame ga Kill.

Anyway the thing I don't like is why does she not kill them immediately. Why all the lying? Even if the girl can't be killed by regular means, which she didn't know until she tried to kill her. Why not murder her on spot? Why lead her a little further away. Just confirm she's otherworlder. Boom, stab. Though with the guy there are more circumstances, like, like his death could have larger destruction, but that somehow didn't really bother her with the girl, so she could kill her on the balcony already. And her not remembering the stab is asspull too. Oh yeah, she tripped while standing completely still looking for Menou. Makes perfect sense.

/edit: it also took Menou some time to stab her after she smashed her to the ground with her own body weight. Seriously I can believe she forgot things after "dying", but before that? That's very odd. And then there's Menou standing there shocked. With knife still in her hand.

Yea those facade of being a nice girl is so unnecessary since she would kill them eventually, and acknowledging that she is a villain because she did that doesnt make it any better. It just make it seems like its to make her feel better by doing the greater good for her world

its the first ep, and theres a bunch of plot convenience already

Apr 16, 2022 4:13 AM

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questioning why would menou not immediately kill akari on the balcony is also so unnecessary tho,
it only took like less than 2-3 minutes until she stabbed akari to death anyways

its an unnecessary nitpicking

at that time menou was in the enemy territory there's not enough time for her to leisurely test akari's power like she did to the "null" boy

akari,
an innocent looking high school girl said that her power is related to healing so menou tried to test the water by stabbing her in the back,
why did she stab her in the back?
its to prevent her identity from being revealed, just in case akari could heal herself on molecular level

menou didnt just randomly choose to stab akari in the back

as an example,

what iF akari's healing ability is similar to hidan - the akatsuki (from naruto),
the stabber's identity or menou would've gotten exposed on the spot lol

but boom!

akari's regen is a lot more broken than simply regenerating on molecular level,
its time hack. nothing in menou's scripture could bypass such a broken hax,
she has seen many types of regen/ healing abilities but not time hack

also,
wdym by akari not remembering being stabbed to death was an asspull?
can you see how the clock went back to 1 minute ago?
that was the time before the stab lol so why would she still remember it?

or myb
akari actually knew about it but she was faking it? remember how she immediately turned around as if she knew menou behind her and said "hello~ menou-chan~"
she looked pretty SUS

we see things from menou's POV so far, we basically know nothing about akari

FYi
the knife was also STiLL in menou's hand when she met akari on the balcony lol
remember how menou used the thread on the knife's handle to reach the balcony,
at that time akari was cool about it

another unnecessary nitpicking imo

menou spent a lot more time with the "null" boy cuz the "null" boy knew nothing about about his power, she needed prep time to observe her prey

in the manga menou says,

"well sometimes the lost ones have pure concepts that make em hard to kill"

Lab_Rat_0978Apr 16, 2022 4:17 AM

Apr 16, 2022 7:26 AM

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You read that one wrong. I didn't say not remembering being stabbed is bs, I said not remembering being pinned down to ground by someone else is bs. So I went to check how manga portrayed these things and I gotta say it's done smarter in manga.

You might have a point with Akari playing dumb, I thought about that too.

FYI the knife was in Menou's hand, but she wasn't showing it to Akari. Might be chance to see it offscreen when they were rappelling down, which also isn't in manga.

And she tried to kill her not far from that room as it seems, so she still was in enemy's territory.

Anyway I think manga handles this better, making this situation less confusing. Menou called for Akari and puts blame on someone attacking her. Best to check for yourself.

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Apr 17, 2022 5:22 AM

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I checked the light novel. its stated that akari did feel there's something fell on her and then she instantly lost consciousness (instant death) after getting stabbed by menou

the later part is roughly similar to the manga,
akari was like "ouch! w-what was that?! something fell on me! menou, there your are! oouch..."
menou then told akari that she fainted for a moment cuz someone attacked her

in the light novel,
akari didn't seem to know it was menou who fell on her and stabbed her to death lol her reactions seemed pretty natural

Apr 18, 2022 4:57 AM

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Yeah, I guess LN and manga approach the explaining better than just brushing it off like anime did.

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Apr 19, 2022 4:44 AM

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The point is not who is good or bad, the point is "A human can't have all that power" because, as they show you, they can lose control at some point and the consequences are CATASTROPHIC, natural disaster level. I don't understand why you think it's about "Oh, some outsiders are bad". It's about them being a danger regardless of their intentions and you have to think about whether keeping them alive by helping them control their powers is a danger you can take on when they can destroy a town or even a city by a single mistake. And the series treats the guy like a victim for that, never like a "We don't know if you are bad".

Then let me ask you this, the protagonist, she is a human, she has power, and considering she is the protagonist i can assumed that she has a god level power that can destroy a town or whatever. Now, whats the different between him and her?, how?, why?. cant you see the bigger picture? you know that man, i dont give a sh*t about this, f*ck you psycho, get lost, you are disgusting.

Muzan2020 said:

Theredwolf66 said:

The point is not who is good or bad, the point is "A human can't have all that power" because, as they show you, they can lose control at some point and the consequences are CATASTROPHIC, natural disaster level. I don't understand why you think it's about "Oh, some outsiders are bad". It's about them being a danger regardless of their intentions and you have to think about whether keeping them alive by helping them control their powers is a danger you can take on when they can destroy a town or even a city by a single mistake. And the series treats the guy like a victim for that, never like a "We don't know if you are bad".

Then let me ask you this, the protagonist, she is a human, she has power, and considering she is the protagonist i can assumed that she has a god level power that can destroy a town or whatever. Now, whats the different between him and her?, how?, why?. cant you see the bigger picture? you know that man, i dont give a sh*t about this, f*ck you psycho, get lost, you are disgusting.

Did you even watch the anime, any human with pure concept eventually lost their will and will acting close to their assign concept. In this case, the boy with null power will cause a very big problem, and there are already many human error already. Menou know that every person she killed is innocent, but still do that because its the only way
You are just incapable of understanding thing from their point of view, and you should actually see the bigger picture instead of your own

Jul 3, 2022 3:34 AM

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xSakii said:
Why don't they just kill the nobles who do the summons, instead of the innocent people?

Right.. it's just an excuse to kill the isekaied

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Jul 21, 2022 4:18 PM

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The characters in the anime make a lot of sense. But to me the MC didn't do anything bad. How must have people suffered in those four errors. Just having the potential is bad enough, but the boy in ep 1 actually showed intent (desire to shape the world in to one that fits him). I'd say it was handled fine. This anime reminded me of "Munou na Nana" a lot.

Jul 25, 2022 11:31 AM

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hoatuy said:

Muzan2020 said:

Then let me ask you this, the protagonist, she is a human, she has power, and considering she is the protagonist i can assumed that she has a god level power that can destroy a town or whatever. Now, whats the different between him and her?, how?, why?. cant you see the bigger picture? you know that man, i dont give a sh*t about this, f*ck you psycho, get lost, you are disgusting.

Muzan2020 said:

Then let me ask you this, the protagonist, she is a human, she has power, and considering she is the protagonist i can assumed that she has a god level power that can destroy a town or whatever. Now, whats the different between him and her?, how?, why?. cant you see the bigger picture? you know that man, i dont give a sh*t about this, f*ck you psycho, get lost, you are disgusting.

Did you even watch the anime, any human with pure concept eventually lost their will and will acting close to their assign concept. In this case, the boy with null power will cause a very big problem, and there are already many human error already. Menou know that every person she killed is innocent, but still do that because its the only way
You are just incapable of understanding thing from their point of view, and you should actually see the bigger picture instead of your own

That's the issue i take with peoope hating menou. Is that refusal to see things from her and the rest the people in that world's perspective.

Jul 28, 2022 1:11 PM

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yeah I dislike her also but not as much as I hate Akari
The story I also dislike...................................people are being forced from the world or universe and summoned to theirs and they kill them out as if they are justified for killing them
could they not simply explain to them if they abuse their power they will go out of control
They can always judge them over a certain time to determine if they were good or bad after giving them a rundown of how dangerous this sudden power they got is

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