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| BTW, i hope next week we will get "See you in next season" or movie announce :) |
| In the end it really took them whole season to realize.. (to not chase after Muse, to try not to imitate them - something that viewers knew after 2 episodes). *sigh* Well, better now then never but it still feels kinda waste for this to be resolution of this season if you ask me. Are they at least giving up on Love Live, trying to pave their own way as idols from now on by any chance? (cause that's that's the only thing that could slightly reedem this anime). Also, in light of their choice to not chase the Muse any further it feels pretty strange when purposedly the most emotive episode of this show came precisely when they were dwelling so deep in the past, heavily reveling in nostalgy of the previous series. (I'm still wondering if two visits to Tokoyo were ever needed to convey something simple as that) |
| Congrats to Aquors for making it to the next round. Riko did great as well in her performance. LOL Mari saying "Oh my God" was so hilarious. Back to Tokyo. Nice to see Otonokizaka again. Zero to One. Final ep next week. |
Santoryu_XBurnerSep 17, 2016 3:50 PM
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Damn it. I thought we were really getting a cameo in this episode with all the tease. I'm disappointed once again. |
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| this is the kind of episode I've wanted for the longest time. Aqours has always tried to be like μ's and finally they realize they're not μ's and won't ever be like them especially if they keep chasing after their shadows. and i loved how they figured out that must be their own group in order to truly shine where μ's chose to end their idol dream. that parallel was simply amazing in this ep. ugh i can't believe it's already the final episode next week. i am seriously loving this show and Aqours too much to have it end already π btw looks like my ship from μ's, KotoPana, was canon and Sunrise seemed to concur.  gj Sunrise :3 |
There would be that exact number of birds flying over the school... brb bawling my eyes out |
Mich666 said: In the end it really took them whole season to realize.. (to not chase after Muse, to try not to imitate them - something that viewers knew after 2 episodes). *sigh* Well, better now then never but it still feels kinda waste for this to be resolution of this season if you ask me. It's not like it's confirmed Sunshine will have the same format as the original (2 seasons + movie). If Lantis follows the same format, Sunshine will only last for 3 years. You would at least want it to last as long as the original. Who knows, maybe the 2nd season will deal with their failures on their first attempt for a championship and so on. So given that, I don't think calling this a waste of time is valid. Furthermore, if they didn't address this issue, Sunshine will be forever labeled as a copy paste of the original. They needed to address it for the fans and it requires buildup. If they resolved that issue near the start of the season, it'll feel hallow. |
julyan said: It's not like it's confirmed Sunshine will have the same format as the original (2 seasons + movie). If Lantis follows the same format, Sunshine will only last for 3 years. You would at least want it to last as long as the original. Who knows, maybe the 2nd season will deal with their failures on their first attempt for a championship and so on. So given that, I don't think calling this a waste of time is valid. Furthermore, if they didn't address this issue, Sunshine will be forever labeled as a copy paste of the original. They needed to address it for the fans and it requires buildup. If they resolved that issue near the start of the season, it'll feel hallow. Yeah, I was also thinking Sunshine could get three seasons plus special instead of two in the end. But for me it was more waste of time in what we expected and what we get. They wouldn't need to address the issue if they created fresh new group without constant reminders of previous series a group without copied character traits that could stand on their own in the first place (Ruby acted a lot like Hanayo this time for example and Chika/Honoka similiarites were even emphasized in this very episode). The main problem I have with current season is it's more about how µ's was good rather than about how Aquors is. If this is really only a bridge to introduce new characters than be it but I really hope second season won't have those random insert songs anymore - as those songs should be product of their collective effort while showing how they get better in time and so far we haven't seen any of those attempts on their behalf (well, there were few little hints of it but to me it almost feels like they still haven't put any real effort into it as they still haven't realized what being real school idol means). And that's also why I think it would be ideal if they freed themselves from harsh chains of Love Live competition and started singing localy throughout the Japan, alone and on their own, having fun and doing things with their own pace and slowly getting popular through the time only to catch up and challenge winners of Love Live - Saint Snow in the end. |
Mich666 said: julyan said: It's not like it's confirmed Sunshine will have the same format as the original (2 seasons + movie). If Lantis follows the same format, Sunshine will only last for 3 years. You would at least want it to last as long as the original. Who knows, maybe the 2nd season will deal with their failures on their first attempt for a championship and so on. So given that, I don't think calling this a waste of time is valid. Furthermore, if they didn't address this issue, Sunshine will be forever labeled as a copy paste of the original. They needed to address it for the fans and it requires buildup. If they resolved that issue near the start of the season, it'll feel hallow. Yeah, I was also thinking Sunshine could get three seasons plus special instead of two in the end. But for me it was more waste of time in what we expected and what we get. They wouldn't need to address the issue if they created fresh new group without constant reminders of previous series a group without copied character traits that could stand on their own in the first place (Ruby acted a lot like Hanayo this time for example and Chika/Honoka similiarites were even emphasized in this very episode). The main problem I have with current season is it's more about how µ's was good rather than about how Aquors is. If this is really only a bridge to introduce new characters than be it but I really hope second season won't have those random insert songs anymore - as those songs should be product of their collective effort while showing how they get better in time and so far we haven't seen any of those attempts on their behalf (well, there were few little hints of it but to me it almost feels like they still haven't put any real effort into it as they still haven't realized what being real school idol means). And that's also why I think it would be ideal if they freed themselves from harsh chains of Love Live competition and started singing localy throughout the Japan, alone and on their own, having fun and doing things with their own pace and slowly getting popular through the time only to catch up and challenge winners of Love Live - Saint Snow in the end. Good points. I think Lantis/Sunrise made Aqours the way they are only for the fans that haven't moved on yet (which probably consists the majority of the fanbase). Just look at how many fans here in MAL and in other communities demanding of cameos and whatnots. μ's is still fresh in their hearts considering a year hasn't even passed since we last saw them. So suddenly introducing Aqours makes most fans uncomfortable and to appease them requires a smooth transitioning. Sure, they could've just wait for a year or two before making a new anime (I also think so), but given the circumstances they're in, I think this is they best way they could've handle it. Btw, I like the idea of a post-Love Live storyline. |
| So LL! se1 asked the question, "how can we save the school", se2 asked "what do we do with muse with the thrid yrs leaving", and sunshine asks, in the wake of the general over-saturation of the industry, "how do we become like muse?". It took basically the whole season for them to figure it out, but it seems they've finally come to some semblance of a conclusion, although I thought they had already hit on it when they realized they can't just copy/paste muse's route and achieve immediate success. Overall, it was a nice episode. I liked how they showed that not even Saint Snow knew why Muse or A-Rise gained success, however they seem to know exactly what they're in the idol business for. The nods to muse were cute, but I think not having anything in the school was kind of unnecessary and the scene with that student there was a lil corny, but it worked for the overall narrative, I guess. although lol...honoka 2.0 ... |
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| I thought this was a good episode. One of the things I like about LLS is that Aqours has been almost failing so far. Up until now they have been modelling themselves after μ, but after some soul searching have realized they must tread their own path. What will happen next week? A triumphant victory? Bitter defeat? |
julyan said: Good points. I think Lantis/Sunrise made Aqours the way they are only for the fans that haven't moved on yet (which probably consists the majority of the fanbase). Just look at how many fans here in MAL and in other communities demanding of cameos and whatnots. μ's is still fresh in their hearts considering a year hasn't even passed since we last saw them. So suddenly introducing Aqours makes most fans uncomfortable and to appease them requires a smooth transitioning. Sure, they could've just wait for a year or two before making a new anime (I also think so), but given the circumstances they're in, I think this is they best way they could've handle it. Btw, I like the idea of a post-Love Live storyline. Yeah, this is so true. Still, I think they made them a way too similar to the point they almost lack their real identity as people are constantly comparing them because of it. And it's only natural as this feels like they are stealing our idols and force-change them to someone else - but this really doesn't work well because there can be only one μ's. I also like the idea of continuation. But I think there were three better options of doing this instead of having series like Sunshine is now: a) continue with series of adult μ's members, shifting focus of the whole franchise a bit (hell, I would really love to see this). b) wait quite some time (a year more would be enough I guess) and let μ's legacy fade away naturally. And introduce new series then. c) make the new group 100% different, even music-wise. It really tells much when many people think that the best performance of this series was Saint Snow Self Control (as matter of fact, I would loved to watch series about them instead). |
| @julyan , @Mich666 tbh, animation studios are in the game for profit, so I think relying on nostalgia and trying to give the fans more of the same, but still something different was a choice that involves low risk and an ok reward, where as totally changing everything means a possible high reward, but also a HIGH risk. So from a business standpoint, I think this may have been a more profitable bet since honestly most of the time, sequels don't do as well, it's the third iteration that's a hit. Though personally I too would have liked to see something totally different, although I'm really enjoying the show rn. |
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| Dang it. That Nozomi tease, the character that looks like Hanayo (voiced by Inori Minase I think), and the child Honoka. >.< Did Honoka had any black haired relatives? So much tease man. I also like that St.Snow's motivation came from A-Rise instead. Though I wish there is a third member at least for them. I seriously can't wait to see the last episode say "second season" in probably next year. |
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Emi-cchi said: I love how its basically become a canon thing that Riko is into yuri.Riko's love for yuri was brought up again. Man, she's really into that stuff, isn't she? They're being just a little bit vague about it by only having one girl on the cover but its pretty obvious what they're implying. |
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Fiji said: Dang it. That Nozomi tease, the character that looks like Hanayo (voiced by Inori Minase I think), I think that girl also school idol from otonokizaka high school. |
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 u's 9 members A-Rise 3 members What happened in Sunrise ? xD |
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| Or maybe that little girl saw a Love Live video where Muse participated in and was captivated by Honoka. Could be possible, and maybe she wants to imitate Honoka and go to her school. Did Riko really but all that stash of Love Live magazines lol I thought the episode was good. Mari's, Oh my god" was hilarious, and that Yoshiko ritual, she knows what's up. |
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| It really depends what set of shades you want to have on when watching Sunshine. Naturally some people are going to dislike µ's place in the story here. Its just a given, but its the path they took so it needs to be judged on that bases and not really any other. What ifs and could have beens could go on forever. For people who say the characters are copys/bland/hollow, I really dont see it myself and I am glad for that. Maybe a rewatch would help? I rewatched it and felt it was slightly better then how I originally felt. Watching it weekly I did feel Chika was a bit of a Honoka clone but in succession I lost that vibe personally. As for the episode, I think it was great for the story they are telling. Only 3 members of the group really gush over µ's. I also dont think its as forced or as prevalent as people like to make it out to be. I and other fans can try and defend µ's place in the story, and their relationship with the development of Aqours forever but personally I think you need to decide as a fan whether or not you can accept the angle they have tackled this at. Do you really find Aqours bland? Do you really think the characters are not very good? Do you not like the music? People call this a carbon copy of the original but that is just so wrong, a new set of girls starting from nowhere and climbing up would be the carbon copy. It would not be that much different, people would still make endless parallels to the original series. Love Live is still there, the original is still intact and always will be. Try and enjoy this for what it is rather then what it could have been to you personally. |
| Lol @ Dia getting Tokyo Syndrome. Lol Mari... Tokyo Tower, Tokyo Skytree, Roppongi Hills A heartwarming and important episode, it takes time for people to find their way. I think a lot of posters here underestimate the power and futility of 20/20 hindsight. Aquors are finally finding and settling into their team dynamic. While there are similarities with U's, I feel they're different enough to be appealing and fun in their own way. I feel Sunshine has the better narrative while the original accomodated to my nerd pandering tastes better. Can't believe it's already the season finale next week... |
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| "Oh mah gawd!" - Mari FINALLY, they made it clear that Aqours is themselves. imo, people who dropped this after the first few episodes should have seen this till the end im glad, one more episode left....probably 2nd season next year |
| well it's good that they finally realized they don't have to copy muse.. sure took them a while though. |
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Emi-cchi said: Riko's love for yuri was brought up again. Man, she's really into that stuff, isn't she? I don't understand why a lot peoples assumed riko as yuri fans when the books she buy indicated she have wall fetish In other words riko have objectophilia syndrome  |
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L-Ryoshi said: kalabalu said: This series takes place 5 years after the second love live, muse disbanded after that because the third years graduated. Thanks for the heads up there. So can I assume that Love Live doesn't actually occur on an annual basis, but whenever the program creators decide to hold it? I thought there was only a years difference between the first and the second one. No Love Live is held every year but A-Rise and μ's had the most phenomenal year in Love Live idol history. At the end of the Love Live movie, you could see Yukiho and Alisa become third years which means two years have passed. Love Live Sunshine Episode 5 shows a magazine of the 5th anniversary of Love Live and their was a pic of Alisa mixed with that. The magazine is probably a year old since it was shown in a flashback of Ruby and Dia. So it is right to say that Love Live Sunshine happens 5 years after the second Love Live. |
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Shunaria said: Emi-cchi said: Riko's love for yuri was brought up again. Man, she's really into that stuff, isn't she? I don't understand why a lot peoples assumed riko as yuri fans when the books she buy indicated she have wall fetish In other words riko have objectophilia syndrome Actually no. She's into Kabedon if you go back to episode where the group first arrives in tokyo she sees a yuri kabedon mag. So we can't say if she loves Yuri or not but she definitely has no wall fetish. |
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Kin088 said: Loved the episode. I was really hoping to see Nozomi .. lol Why did that little girl have to have the same hairstyle as Honoka. T_T I even skipped back to see if her mother was Honoka.. ha3 And that student looked like Hanayo so much, and she seemed to be a ghost. lol .. and if I'm not mistaken, she seemed to be voiced by Minase Inori who also voiced Rem from Re:Zero. The one talking care of the girl looked like a grown-up Umi. |
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| More teases for Honoka and Nozomi. I really wanted to see someone for mu's >.< still, a very nice episode. |
| Gotta shove in all them references amirite? |
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| amazing episode! Good lord The Tubahonks love is real, there's the kid right there! |
"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!" |
wut o.o The same scene where μ was disbanded and where I cried over and over. Now, it's like a new beginning. Nice episode^^ Riko's scream btw reminds me of Watamote's Opening xD Yuri freak |
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| I was hoping that I might see one of the μ's member but oh well nvm it still great to see that Aquors is going to be different than them !! |
PrincessAyaka said: I'm surprised no one's mentioned how the little girl imitating Honoka slid down the railing exactly like Honoka did in the first episode of the first season during Susume->Tomorrow. That was so cute! Because it WAS young Honoka with her mom. What they had seen was the spirit of the place and the actual scene from a past of it. |
| Honoka is a legit time traveler. Sunshine just had to revisit all the places, huh? </3 I was just hoping she'd be there. Like, coincidentally. (You know, her being selfish about owning that place for muse.. When I say owning, like a personal, emotional place.) Now that Donna Toki mo Zutto reference. Wow. All of it has led to the lyrics of that song. Muse may not have left anything physical in that school, but We'll always be connected. |
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DarkwindJR said: L-Ryoshi said: Thanks for the heads up there. So can I assume that Love Live doesn't actually occur on an annual basis, but whenever the program creators decide to hold it? I thought there was only a years difference between the first and the second one. No Love Live is held every year but A-Rise and μ's had the most phenomenal year in Love Live idol history. At the end of the Love Live movie, you could see Yukiho and Alisa become third years which means two years have passed. Love Live Sunshine Episode 5 shows a magazine of the 5th anniversary of Love Live and their was a pic of Alisa mixed with that. The magazine is probably a year old since it was shown in a flashback of Ruby and Dia. So it is right to say that Love Live Sunshine happens 5 years after the second Love Live. When the original show started weren't A-Rise already the defending champions of Love Live? Which would mean that there had been at least one year of the competition before that show started, not to mention Hanayo and Nico have previous performances of school idols, so I would think that there was at least a few years worth of performances before the original show even aired? Wouldn't that mean that maybe the original show was year 2/3 or something? And then year 5 of the competition would have been Yukiho/Arisa meaning that Sunshine takes place just after they graduated, aka 3 years after the original? That probably makes no sense, but its what my mind is saying... Would like confirmation on exactly when this is in a timeline, tbh. |
novalysis said: DarkwindJR said: No Love Live is held every year but A-Rise and μ's had the most phenomenal year in Love Live idol history. At the end of the Love Live movie, you could see Yukiho and Alisa become third years which means two years have passed. Love Live Sunshine Episode 5 shows a magazine of the 5th anniversary of Love Live and their was a pic of Alisa mixed with that. The magazine is probably a year old since it was shown in a flashback of Ruby and Dia. So it is right to say that Love Live Sunshine happens 5 years after the second Love Live. Which means either the Otonokizaka third year student this episode could have known members of μ's first hand, or , Alisa and Yukiho in her First Year for all we know. It depends on whether this is the fifth year Love is taking place, or the sixth year. This may well be as close to a cameo of μ's we are ever going to get. If the Otonokizaka Idol Research Club is still active, we might have just seen the unofficial introduction of Season 2's rivals, without realizing it. Given Alisa appeared on the commemoration magazine too, it probably isn't a stretch to imagine that Alisa led an Otonokizaka team without any Muse members to victory in the Love Live in her final year. Also, doesn't Saint Snow come from Hokkaido? Does it mean that UTX has branches in Hokkaido too? That has interesting ramifications for the plot. As far as I know, the Otonokizaka Idol Research Club no longer has ties to μ's since μ's took everything they had in that school. Yukiho and Alisa retelling the story of μ's was probably the last ever connection of μ's to Otonokizaka. UTX having branches or absorbing schools about to be shutdown is no suprise since UTX was largely known even before they had idols and Uranohoshi itself is about to be absorbed themselves. Also this is definitely not the fifth love live since the magazine in the Ruby/Dia flashback specifically states the "Fifth Anniversary of Love Live" and that was a year or two years ago to the current season since Ruby was not yet a 1st year in the flashback. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Okay, so as first-time viewer of this series, I'm confused as heck right now. I need some help in sorting this out. The impression that I was given at the start of this show was that Muse were the winners of the second Love Live, and that this current group was competing for the very next edition of the series? Wouldn't that mean it was a time difference of one year? Then I see all these comments flying about about a character from the first series being old enough to have kids... well since I don't understand the above, I'm already confused... just how much time has passed between this and the original series? Then there's the spoiler about the first group having disbanded (?)... I guess I'd understand if I went back to watch all the seasons and movies that I hadn't before, but... would anyone mind giving this confused first-timer a quick recap please? PM would be fine since any other means would be mad spoilers. Thanks in advance anyway. You really need to watch the first Love Live to understand... |
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| The girl they talked to slightly looks like the rice goddess. :) Honoka shrunk! LOL. That Honoka look-a-like little girl is so adorable. I was expecting to see one of 'μs members but oh well. Can't be helped. Hope in the last episode.... we can see at least one of them. ^_^ |
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| This episode had me rolling me eyes so much. It was so damn cheesy. |
| "We don't need to compare ourselves to U's"... Holy fucking shit. Only took them 12 episodes to come to that conclusion. 12 episodes of riding the success of the original series. They made it look so serious with the taking down of the poster and shit...guarantee they still make a fuck ton of U's references in the final episode anyway...because y'know anime: where characters say they'll change and then revert back to normal the next episode. Also...that child Honoka clone was unnecessary and frankly kind of weird. |
Jonesy974 said: "We don't need to compare ourselves to U's"... Holy fucking shit. Only took them 12 episodes to come to that conclusion. 12 episodes of riding the success of the original series. They made it look so serious with the taking down of the poster and shit...guarantee they still make a fuck ton of U's references in the final episode anyway...because y'know anime: where characters say they'll change and then revert back to normal the next episode. Also...that child Honoka clone was unnecessary and frankly kind of weird. Everyone has a different stance on U's place in Sunshine but what cant be denied was that the child Honoka was flat out just dumb. Definitely the low point of the entire season. |
| Aquaors found there answer omg that school!!!! Honoka ahhhhh Zero to one ahh |
| They're gonna have to pull out something f***ing amazing in the last episode to claw this one back. The season's been shaky for almost the entirety of the time. I'm not aMUSEd. |
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