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traed said: There were clearly better ways than blackmail like threats. traed said: But he was already had several people know about him and they already did accept him so he already knew this by that point. Are you the kind of person that once you see a wall in life (metaphorically), you turn back and try to walk another way or put a pretty picture on it to feel better while staying in front of it? No there's no other way to resolve this problem other than facing it earnestly. We're not talking about something as petty as school bullies annoying you in school, we're talking about an identity crisis. Yes Kotaro could have lived his entire life without facing his problem but in this case doing nothing would have been more cruel than what Kagami did. Kotaro saw himself as an oddity and that it's normal for others to judge him. No matter how many friends he makes with that mindset that will not help him. The main issue here is that instead of trying to put a step outside his comfort zone, he expanded the zone but continuously doing that is the actual worst case scenario. He'll never be able to believe in himself, he'll be able to believe other but not himself. Every time someone will judge him he'll return to his former belief that he is a freak. Life isn't so simple that you can always stay in your comfort zone, sometime you have to deal with shit, pricks and annoying people no matter who you are. If anything Kagami did him a favor, the longer it would have taken and the harder it would have been. |
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| If you guys are so smart to think Kagami's plan was a bad idea, could you please suggest something else to make Koutarou accept HIMSELF without having to blackmail him? FREAKING PLEASE. |
| I love how there's a lot of people saying 'OH JUST GROW A SPINE AND BE OPEN ABOUT IT' or 'ITS LUCE'S FAULT FOR LYING' or 'IT WASN'T THAT TRAUMATIZING' When trans people stop getting murdered for existing then maybe that kind of action can happen, but until then it's not as easy as that- especially to a bunch of people you either barely know or haven't met in the physical until that point. I know we don't have any confirmation as to whether Luce is actually trans or not, but for all intents and purposes Luce might as well be. Kagami's methods are incredibly out of line and actually borderline abusive himself, as threatening to 'out' Luce as well as bringing back people who clearly traumatized them (and led to them becoming a shut-in) is incredibly shitty behaviour. Especially when, literally in the previous episode, we see Luce is slowly starting to warm up to other people and consider meeting others on her own terms. Kagami is taking what should be Luce's prerogative and decision and forcing them to make it before being ready or prepared to do so. Which in real life can actively lead to abuse, injury, and even death. inb4 I get written off as 'someone who doesn't know what I'm talking about' |
gasmaskluminary said: I love how there's a lot of people saying 'OH JUST GROW A SPINE AND BE OPEN ABOUT IT' or 'ITS LUCE'S FAULT FOR LYING' or 'IT WASN'T THAT TRAUMATIZING' When trans people stop getting murdered for existing then maybe that kind of action can happen, but until then it's not as easy as that- especially to a bunch of people you either barely know or haven't met in the physical until that point. I know we don't have any confirmation as to whether Luce is actually trans or not, but for all intents and purposes Luce might as well be. Kagami's methods are incredibly out of line and actually borderline abusive himself, as threatening to 'out' Luce as well as bringing back people who clearly traumatized them (and led to them becoming a shut-in) is incredibly shitty behaviour. Especially when, literally in the previous episode, we see Luce is slowly starting to warm up to other people and consider meeting others on her own terms. Kagami is taking what should be Luce's prerogative and decision and forcing them to make it before being ready or prepared to do so. Which in real life can actively lead to abuse, injury, and even death. inb4 I get written off as 'someone who doesn't know what I'm talking about' These guys didn't particularly do anything, they just verbalized that they think it's weird for a guy to dress as a girl. I don't remember them having any aggressive behavior. That's anime for you, they made a big deal of something so small and made a single comment about someone's attire sound like a demon king that ordered his troop to destroy a city and violate every women on sight. If it wasn't these guys it would have been other people. It's inevitable that he'll be told that he's weird, a freak and such for wearing girl clothes as a guy because that's how society has been conditioned since birth. It's not something that's socially acceptable in modern Japan and no matter how you wish it was, it isn't. The main problem was that Kotaro didn't accept himself and became over-reliant on online games to live as he wants to. That's where Kagami interfered. He created a situation where he betrays the only person Kotaro thought he could believe in, not in an attempt to hurt him, but so that Kotaro realize that he doesn't stand alone anymore. The anime also didn't include the part where Kagami delete his account after Luce win the fight as to give him a push. That was the part that really hurt for Kotaro, not the rest because at that point returning to the past is impossible. |
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ninjaluc79 said: a)Kagami talks to his friendsIf you guys are so smart to think Kagami's plan was a bad idea, could you please suggest something else to make Koutarou accept HIMSELF without having to blackmail him? FREAKING PLEASE. b)Les friends be like "we gotta talk to Luce" c)Les friends talk to Luce and let him know that they don't care if he's trans/wants to crossdress d)Luce gets support e)Luce be like "I gotta accept myself" f)Problem solved |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Shangetsu said: These guys didn't particularly do anything, they just verbalized that they think it's weird for a guy to dress as a girl. I don't remember them having any aggressive behavior. Are you sure on that? I seem to specifically recall the guys being openly threatening in the flashback we saw a few episodes ago. Luce literally had to shove the guy away out of fear (which led to his injury and more loathing on their parts)- and their actions could've easily led to physical assault. (They DIDN'T, and I highly doubt the anime WOULD go to that point, especially since it's as you said- Japan and anime isn't exactly the best source for proper representation) (case in point: the fact the slur 'trap' still is used pretty much constantly) |
| Dunno why there's so much hate for this series, it's not the best I've seen but I find it rather enjoyable and that's really all I expect from any series. Not a big fan of the art/animation style but I'll watch it to the end as long as HorribleSubs doesn't drop it like DameDesuYo did :'( |
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| Ahahahaha, this thread made me laugh more than the actual episode. Why do so many people assume that Araki is transgender, when he's clearly just a transvestite, though? I mean, he even uses male pronouns for himself. This wasn't "transmisogyny" or (whatever tumblr term meant discrimination against trans women), just a dickish way of forcing a socially anxious weirdo to stop being a hikikomori. |
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| Bunch of butthurt people in this thread over pretty much nothing. Kagami's way of getting things done aligned perfectly with Luce's old gaming lifestyle. It also allowed Luce to realize his classmates are on his side and that he can trust them. |
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| This arc was a bit longer.. thank god it wasn't like Kanan and Sachiko. Those two was way too short. |
Lambdaa-Sep 3, 2015 6:04 AM
| Honestly I've seen the word "bully" getting thrown around so often, I don't know why people use that term to call the 3 "special guests", because so far that I know of, they did not bully Koutaro, that's not bullying, they did not harass him. All they did was to call him gross because he cross-dresses, because they were close-minded. As seen in this episode, in the present, it seems that they have opened their mind a little bit, while they still think that cross-dressing is gross, it's none of their business. The "leader" of the group seems to be more pissed that Koutaro was hiding his true self to his so-called friends, than being grossed out by his supposed weird interest/fetish. I guess you can blame Japan for stereotyping delinquents and bullies. Edit: So I have read some comments, and seriously, I'd agree that human's stupidity has no bound. Kagami never had any intention of spilling the beans about Kotarou's secret, it was never about that. He just provide the catalyst in order to reach the activation energy needed for the reaction to occur. In the end, what he was doing is to give Kotarou the will to move forward HIMSELF. Okay, some people ask, what if the "delinquents" told everyone about it, what happened then? What else could have happened? It will happen sooner or later, you can't keep the secret in forever. Not the best way to go? Okay. Does Kagami have any ill intention? Fuck no. Like I said, he wanted Kotarou to face his own problem, he just set up the situation for it to happen. In the end, later in life, you will face a similar situation, and by that time, there's no one there to help you, but yourself. You can't keep relying on other people, you have to DO IT YOURSELF, which is the point. After all this, Kotarou has gained the courage to stand up for who he is. It isn't as simple as just getting him to school, or just getting past his fear of crossdressing in front of people. Many people seem to be living in a "fantasy-like" reality. Or, they are just complaining because.. they're bored. Edit 2: Well I have enjoyed reading this thread, instead of the usual complaints about the bad animation and whatnot. Thanks for the insight from the guys who properly explained what Kagami was gunning for. Lol @ people who said that this wouldn't work in real life, as if you know. Also, this thread has shown me that I really really (yep repeated that) hate people who post something but mean nothing at all. Usually a one-liner "lel yadayadayada" or "look at this fool blablabla". |
ToG25thBaamSep 11, 2015 11:09 AM
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| Wow people bashing on Kagami. This isn't the first time Kagami is seen as a bad person, let's rewind to the girls who were bothering Face Punch, how did they end up? Exactly, Kagami destroyed them and he humiliated them. Luce is no exception, all he was doing was making Luce grow up and accept who he is. He may have done that in a dangerous way, but it worked. Kagami's the type of person who'd gamble on risks and not care about it. At least Luce accepted who he is. Battle wise, wow. Kagami's team has like 218 players while Luce's had like 34. Kagami loses big time, getting stabbed lol |
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| You'd think halfway into the show people would know how Kagami does things. His methods usually start off questionable and borderline mean spirited, but he always has good intentions and is calculated enough to make it all come together. He's an eccentric hyper obsessed otaku genius quack who only knows how to do things by going over the top. He loves to deceive and that probably feeds into his ego along the way. His methods aren't supposed to translate into reality, you don't need a "do not try this at home" message after each lecture to figure that out, just a pint of common sense. Now with that said, I'm not justifying his methods as "fiction logic" and frankly he is very insensitive. It's just that there just seems to be a huge lack of trying to understand his character which just turns into regurgitated "what an ass!" Koutarou/Luce's arc turned out to be my favorite so I have no complaints with it being longer than the others. There were moments in that battle where I started to forget this was a school anime, the death scene I was like "oh shit that's...oh it's just a game right.." The end result with his class effortlessly accepting him was predictable but I think it turned out well considering how they had built up that bond in the episodes prior. I didn't think I'd go from borderline dropping this to making it halfway and eager to see more. The past 3 students' arcs (most especially this one) helped to change my opinion on it and I hope the second half can maintain this momentum. |
ZekkenshinSep 20, 2015 12:19 AM
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| Great closure of this small "arc", quite liked these last few episodes in general! Let's see what's next. |
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| Well looks like the arc is ending.. Now I wonder what's next. |
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