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Oct 20, 9:13 PM
#201
Reply to Kimurah
Novak popping out of nowhere to harass Rafal feels so forced and out of place. At least the Simpsons made it a comical satire, in here the author couldn't give a proper reasoning for Novak to hound him after several days or even weeks had passed since their last encounter. If Novak felt he was corrupted by Hubert's teachings in episode 2, why did he wait until now to continue his hounding?
Also, do they hand out poppy seeds to heretic prisoners? I feel that they would want to avoid these priosoners to kill themselves before being tortured and burnt alive. I see no other way why would Rafal had poppy seeds in the first place. And if they plan to make it a huge ruse with a fake death later on, that's a stinkier diaper full of poo worse than the historical innacuracies.
Rafal tearing down the deal given him by the church was only lacking upbeat J-rock music to cement the shonen tropes of younguns defying the unfair status quo established by big bad mean adults. Thank god this is a seinen, am I right guys? /s
AyaazMahim said:
The animation looks amazing just see the manga and anime difference
The animation looks amazing just see the manga and anime difference
Like where?
It's not bad, but it's very average. Any knowledgeable guy that knows about animation wouldn't call it amazing. Just because they are being faithful to adapting the panels of the manga that does not equal to amazing animation.
@Kimurah I read the intention behind the resolution to read less straightfowardly than you might have. Yes, he really "stuck it to the man", emphasized by his final interaction, but I also think there's an intentional element of madness to it. A decision made out of blind passion and partially youthful impulsivity. I don't think we're meant to take it purely as some heroic act of martyrdom or the tone read solely as badass defiance. These people may pursue truth, but they are still fanatical and selfishly motivated, and they refuse to deny what they love, they have faith, it mirrors the religious faction intentionally. Love makes people act crazy, which goes for both Novak and Rafal, and Novak's distress is very easy to sympathize with. Unlike a typical antagonist in that scenario, it's easy to intepret his flusteredness more as concern than indignation at blaspheming or being outdone. He has a daughter, he doesn't want to hurt a child. He probably thought he could still save him by convincing him he wanted to recant, and was a little heartbroken that he wouldn't have that chance. The poppy seeds are a transparent contrivance and Novak's character is definitely wasted potential and flattens the tone (he had some hinted depth and symbolic value but he also is more of a plot device). I am somewhat convinced this show has superficial elements, but the themes and characters are written to be interrogated. |
TakoTaco1Oct 21, 7:10 AM
Oct 20, 10:24 PM
#202
No way. Is Rafal really dead and now we are following new characters? I loved Rafal though! He was so relatable. His struggle with doing what’s best for him vs what’s best for society was so powerful, and it resonated with me. I hope we find out he was able to survive or something, but it’s kinda cool that the theme of truth passes on from one person to another. I’m hyped for the next episode! (10/10) |
Oct 21, 12:31 AM
#203
Reply to HotRodster
No way. Is Rafal really dead and now we are following new characters? I loved Rafal though! He was so relatable. His struggle with doing what’s best for him vs what’s best for society was so powerful, and it resonated with me. I hope we find out he was able to survive or something, but it’s kinda cool that the theme of truth passes on from one person to another. I’m hyped for the next episode! (10/10)
@HotRodster next arc will hve more action too. |
Oct 21, 2:39 AM
#204
I guess madness is necessary to prove something that others believe is impossible. Rafal died like a hero, and I truly respect that. The scene with Rafal and Nowak will go down as one of the greatest of all time for me. |
Oct 21, 8:50 AM
#205
I honestly loved everything Rafal said about his beliefs, how he was ready to die for what he believed in, and he actually died... like, huh? I'm surprised, because the main character died in the third episode.... uh Rafal you're following Hubert's death too soon T-T I was hoping he could escape, but it seemed a bit impossible. It's been 10 years and we have two more characters. Will they be the new main characters? |
Oct 22, 8:56 AM
#206
Reply to LuRo
I hope Gigguk, after this episode, has decided to make a video about it, because more people need to jump on the weekly. This shit is shaping itself to be legendary. Legit only a small amount of people are watching it aside from the Japanese audience (because they probably knew what was coming). It was also #1 top watched tv series on Netflix Japan beating Re Zero, Blue Box and Dandadan.
@LuRo Yeah, This might be anime of the season if not year and I just heard of it today randomly seeing updated anime eps. |
Oct 23, 2:49 AM
#208
Gem... absolute gem. I was saying this could be the hidden gem of the season but depending on how this story unfolds, it could be top 5-10 of the year. |
Respectfully ofc |
Oct 23, 9:39 PM
#209
Aight, this is the sleeper hit of the season. Did not expect that at all. |
I have read 2 perfect chapters of manga; They are Usogui Chapter 203 and Onani Master Kurosawa Chapter 23. |
Oct 26, 7:05 AM
#210
Oct 29, 4:47 PM
#211
Soo.. he burned the research but didn't completely cover his tracks. Leaving breadcrumbs behind is never a good thing. Can never be too careful with heliocentrism in the olden days. The fact he's getting sussed out form inquisitors minutes into the episode gives some respect to the fact they aren't complete idiots. They can sniff out the mood. And Rafal keeps his guard up around them smoothly. The Father really does appreciate his astrology, to revive the burnt up paper. Covering for Rafal for.. reasons. Yep. As the episode continues, the inquisitor continues to do a pretty good job at his line of work. I can appreciate what the show is doing. Father even has a heresy past himself. Inquisitior really is numb to the whole murder deal. To be able to calmly describe these details, and put pressure on the Father with a calm demeanor. You can see from his expressions to the sound of his voice how nervous the dude is. And at the end of the day, he's a rat. Rafal is already getting the prison experience, all from his pursuit of truth. I can feel the cogs turning in his head as he asks himself why he's in that situation. Some things are worth fighting for, how far is relative. But hey, he knows what he wants from his life. To have the balls to recant in the court of falsehoods deserves its own respect. Although surely his brief "mentor" figure would want the fruits of the research to be developed and passed on, what can we do. Heliocentrism is irrational in this world, but it's only those who pursue the irrational that can reach the truth. Almost feel like clapping as the kid says his piece with the inquisitor. He is truly a man of science. I feel like I understand why this show popped off the way it did from its third episode. Well, this episode in particular is a special case. MC death/torture happens in a couple anime, but this was the 1-2-punch that few saw coming. And 10 years later; you have another heliocentric person in the making. Maybe this guy will have a longer lifespan than 3 episodes, although walking through the dead of night with a sword wielding dude has its own connotations |
Oct 31, 1:18 AM
#212
Reply to kabooomi
I liked the boy , probably not continuing the anime now
@kabooomi please continue, the other mcs are really good too. |
Oct 31, 3:08 AM
#213
Reply to caseycrumb24
The level of writing of this show is really high. When I first started watching this anime, I didn't know it would be so...good. This third episode is the best one so far. I hope it continues to be this good.
@caseycrumb24 its going to be more slower in like 2-3 eps, then picks back up again with more peak similar to ep 3. |
Nov 3, 11:29 AM
#215
What the fuck? I can't believe they actually killed the MC after 3 episodes and then do a 10 year time skip. So the inspiration lives on and our new protagonist is going to the notes now? That's kind of beautiful. |
Nov 7, 12:23 PM
#216
HibiChika said: Bro took being wrong too literally. imagine advocating for the wrong version of our solar system when geocentrism advocated by the church was in fact the correct model all along. flat earthers were proven right so rafal deserved to get fired for his ignorant blasphemy. he should have done his due diligence better and i will die on that hill. |
Nov 9, 9:29 AM
#217
Late to the party but what in the .... Rafal the idealist held firm to this thoughts and theories before the might of the church, then played them! He basically went out like a boss with the Opiates, negating any of the church's threats, in fact, he showed them they can't win against him or science. And was willing to die to prove that point. Wow ... I did not see this coming. Collecting thoughts - uh ... the MC is dead, what happens next in this show? |
Nov 11, 7:28 AM
#218
Wow, I'm speechless. Until the end I was sure it'd rewind to before he tear his university admission or smth and then they hit us with 10 years later. I was sure all will revolve around Rafal. I love the boldness and it's such a tragedy to see this young boy get put to death like that. I absolutely love it so far, AotY contender? |
Nov 12, 12:27 AM
#220
Nov 12, 12:50 PM
#221
wow what just happened. Madhouse is back again after Frieren! |
“Do what feels right in your heart. You will be criticized either way.” (Eleanor Roosevelt) |
Nov 12, 7:11 PM
#222
Looks like this show will be joining Gurren Lagann in the pantheon of anime that change its main character. |
Nov 14, 2:40 AM
#223
Reply to Kimurah
Adizcool said:
I think it's cause Nowak was trying to find evidence to catch him, since it is pretty clear he was suspicious of Rafal from episode 2. But as we know from Potocki, he could not find any and so directly confronted him to ascertain the truth. And Hubert's necklace and Rafal's reaction gave it away that he was still continuing his research.
I think it's cause Nowak was trying to find evidence to catch him, since it is pretty clear he was suspicious of Rafal from episode 2. But as we know from Potocki, he could not find any and so directly confronted him to ascertain the truth. And Hubert's necklace and Rafal's reaction gave it away that he was still continuing his research.
Why did it take so much time between their inital meeting until Nowak went in to hound Rafal and question Potocki? If Nowak was so certain that Rafal was already in cahoots with Hubert he should have made it his top priority, specially since someone that had been involved in heresy readings/teachings could have fled town and start a new somewhere else. This feels like pretty bad forced drama.
Adizcool said:
And they do not give away poppy seeds to prisoners lol. If you watch the episode carefully, Rafal had a feeling that he might be turned in to the inquisitors by Potocki when he asked him about heliocentrism and heard Rafal's answer. So he prepared the pouch on him just in case. We even see him hiding the pouch on him before he goes to sleep.
And they do not give away poppy seeds to prisoners lol. If you watch the episode carefully, Rafal had a feeling that he might be turned in to the inquisitors by Potocki when he asked him about heliocentrism and heard Rafal's answer. So he prepared the pouch on him just in case. We even see him hiding the pouch on him before he goes to sleep.
I watched the episode carefully (I love it when fanboys think they have some sort of gotcha argument). Rafal never had any internal monologue that would state he was fearful of getting handed to the inquisitors. In fact his relationship with Potocki was pretty solid, he forgave him several times when he was disobedient of the strict rules. Potocki wasn't going to hand him anyway (specially since he was a heretic that had to recant his statements), it was all due to the forced and badly written introduction of Nowak.
I'll just humor you and will play a hypotetical scenario. You don't think that these ruthless inquisitors hadn't met another wise guy before Rafal that would have kept any suspicious belonging that would aid him into killing themselves before being tormented to death? Frisking the fresh to be tortured prisoner should had been their priority once they had him ion custody. This is as cheap as it is as contrived and pure writer's convenience as Gaby using a loosen brick to smack the only guard in a whole prison wing in Attack on Titan.
Adizcool said:
And finally, going against the authority is not a Shonen trope, it is a storytelling trope. Not just in anime, but even many of the literatures greatest pieces have it's characters rise up to the status quo. Would you call them shonen as well? What a strange thing to try and critique a story for.
And finally, going against the authority is not a Shonen trope, it is a storytelling trope. Not just in anime, but even many of the literatures greatest pieces have it's characters rise up to the status quo. Would you call them shonen as well? What a strange thing to try and critique a story for.
This is where you should really focus on proper reading rather than make terrible argumentations. I never said that going against the authority was a exclusively a shonen trope, I did it in a mocking way given how common it is in terms of storytelling in that demographic to shock and awe the gullible preteens and claim "that's a badass character, I wanna be like him when I grow older".
Adizcool said:
Especially when the story has built Rafal's character enough that it makes sense for him to do that.
Especially when the story has built Rafal's character enough that it makes sense for him to do that.
Quite the opposite. His character was established as someone that kept his head low and didn't want to get in trouble with anyone by sticking to the rules no matter how unfair they were, it was even in his very first monologues about being a crowd pleaser among the class. His sudden change and martyr role in just a few days goes against his whole character that was built upon years of societal repression.
Adizcool said:
I do agree on the animation though. It is pretty lacking on that front. But since it is a dialogue based anime with great direction and story boarding, I don't think it is that important.
I do agree on the animation though. It is pretty lacking on that front. But since it is a dialogue based anime with great direction and story boarding, I don't think it is that important.
The storyboarding is just as average as it's animation. My original point wasn't that it was important, it was that the other guy was overreacting about the quality of the animation by saying "it's accurate to the source" which is absolutely plain non sense as some sort of animation quality measurement.
Adizcool said:
And given the reception of the past 3 episodes, I think most people agree.
And given the reception of the past 3 episodes, I think most people agree.
The reception is just as average as the story and the animation. If the numbers of people jumped drastically after episode 3 based on MAL numbers or other viewership in other sites you would have a point, but it's really not.
@Kimurah Why did it take so much time between their inital meeting until Nowak went in to hound Rafal and question Potocki? If Nowak was so certain that Rafal was already in cahoots with Hubert he should have made it his top priority, specially since someone that had been involved in heresy readings/teachings could have fled town and start a new somewhere else. This feels like pretty bad forced drama. I don't know why you are acting like Nowak is some jobless person who has all the time to hound Rafal. From earlier interactions, it is clear that the inquisitors are dealing with heretics they have evidence over. He will clearly be prioritizing those than worrying about a hunch. At when he did get the time, he followed up on that and confronted Rafal and Potocki. Just because the anime didn't show you what was happening between episode 2 and 3 for this particular character that doesn't mean that character had been doing nothing. I watched the episode carefully (I love it when fanboys think they have some sort of gotcha argument). Rafal never had any internal monologue that would state he was fearful of getting handed to the inquisitors. In fact his relationship with Potocki was pretty solid, he forgave him several times when he was disobedient of the strict rules. Potocki wasn't going to hand him anyway (specially since he was a heretic that had to recant his statements), it was all due to the forced and badly written introduction of Nowak. You don't need an internal monologue to infer what a character might be feeling. Potocki's behavior was clearly strange when Rafal met him at night, with him digging Rafal about heretical ideas. That is enough to understand that something is off and prepare for the worst case. Also, on Potocki, just because the relationship was well till then, doesn't mean something as frightening as death cannot change that in a moment. I'll just humor you and will play a hypotetical scenario. You don't think that these ruthless inquisitors hadn't met another wise guy before Rafal that would have kept any suspicious belonging that would aid him into killing themselves before being tormented to death? Frisking the fresh to be tortured prisoner should had been their priority once they had him ion custody. This is as cheap as it is as contrived and pure writer's convenience as Gaby using a loosen brick to smack the only guard in a whole prison wing in Attack on Titan. You're forgetting how young Rafal is. He is young enough that even Nowak tries to help him out and state that he doesn't want to torture him. It is very clear that the people around him just viewed him as a child who had stumbled into the wrong path, and would get right back with a little help. That is also why Nowak appeared so confused and bewildered when talking to Rafal in the prison, he had been nothing he had expected him to be. This is where you should really focus on proper reading rather than make terrible argumentations. I never said that going against the authority was a exclusively a shonen trope, I did it in a mocking way given how common it is in terms of storytelling in that demographic to shock and awe the gullible preteens and claim "that's a badass character, I wanna be like him when I grow older". Well, maybe you should write better than, seeing as the original line is clearly meant to compare the show to shonen shows in a negative light. I agree it is a commonly used trope in shonen media, but your original comment was just trying to put down the show by implying that for some reason, using this trope diminishes the value of the show as a seinen. Quite the opposite. His character was established as someone that kept his head low and didn't want to get in trouble with anyone by sticking to the rules no matter how unfair they were, it was even in his very first monologues about being a crowd pleaser among the class. His sudden change and martyr role in just a few days goes against his whole character that was built upon years of societal repression. That is how the character is introduced, we are meant to follow him as he changes. And even in the introduction, it is clearly established that Rafal forgets about rationality and starts to follow his instincts and desires when it comes to astronomy. His monologue in episode 2 was him finally shedding his fake character and admitting to himself that he is an irrational person who is moved by irrational things like like the stars and sky. The reception is just as average as the story and the animation. If the numbers of people jumped drastically after episode 3 based on MAL numbers or other viewership in other sites you would have a point, but it's really not. Well, this is just awkward, given just how much more popular the show has gotten now. Both in the ratings and the number of people watching, with everyone watching it commending it is one of the best of the season. |
Nov 25, 9:43 PM
#225
The twist in episode was so unexpected. |
Nov 25, 10:40 PM
#226
The actual plot is a little clunky, but the conversations and the ideas being presented are really absorbing and powerful. I was glued to the screen during the final conversation between Rafal and Nowak. "A wrong answer is not necessarily a meaningless one." One of my favorite moments this season so far. |
Nov 25, 10:53 PM
#227
It was unbelievable, they caught me off gaurd, Rafal died 😭, though I understand its pretty realistic, he was playing too dangerous, researches, theories are passed from different people and generation before they get proved, so at some point he had to die, but still..;_; |
Nov 26, 12:23 AM
#228
Reply to chilliflakes
It was unbelievable, they caught me off gaurd, Rafal died 😭, though I understand its pretty realistic, he was playing too dangerous, researches, theories are passed from different people and generation before they get proved, so at some point he had to die, but still..;_;
@chilliflakes i thought he will have a university arc or some sht hahhahhaja |
Yesterday, 1:32 AM
#229
I love anime like this. After not watching for a while, I decided to return to this anime right where I left off without starting it completely over (as I usually do), and I am still able to perfectly remember where we are in the story. I found this episode perfect and totally unexpected. |
Yesterday, 8:22 AM
#230
Adizcool said: I don't know why you are acting like Nowak is some jobless person who has all the time to hound Rafal. From earlier interactions, it is clear that the inquisitors are dealing with heretics they have evidence over. He will clearly be prioritizing those than worrying about a hunch. At when he did get the time, he followed up on that and confronted Rafal and Potocki. Just because the anime didn't show you what was happening between episode 2 and 3 for this particular character that doesn't mean that character had been doing nothing. This is where your verbal diahrrea falls apart. Nowak had NO REAL EVIDENCE of Rafal being a heretic. In a cop show this would be considered hounding/fishing on just a vague hunch (because the heretic they killed lived in the same premises). Nowak did indeed feel like he had nothing better to do by suddenly telerpoting itself in the most cheap anime way into Rafal's path. Adizcool said: You don't need an internal monologue to infer what a character might be feeling. Potocki's behavior was clearly strange when Rafal met him at night, with him digging Rafal about heretical ideas. That is enough to understand that something is off and prepare for the worst case. Also, on Potocki, just because the relationship was well till then, doesn't mean something as frightening as death cannot change that in a moment. Actually you do need to give proper motivation for your characters in order to connect the dots in a story. Either use internal monologues (which are the cheaper and easiest way to brief the audience) or use proper visuals with show don't tell. Your whole argument is just as bogus as Nowak's cheap motivation on a "maybe". Adizcool said: You're forgetting how young Rafal is. He is young enough that even Nowak tries to help him out and state that he doesn't want to torture him. It is very clear that the people around him just viewed him as a child who had stumbled into the wrong path, and would get right back with a little help. That is also why Nowak appeared so confused and bewildered when talking to Rafal in the prison, he had been nothing he had expected him to be. This is the most nothingburger reply in order to discredit what I previosly stated. His age has nothing to do with stablishing a pattern in frisking prisoners regardless of their age. Again, if a lot of people in those times where afraid of being killed at a bonefire the normal "procedure" would be to frisk everyone before putting them in a cell. The whole point of killing people in the bonefire is moot when there's no one to kill in an exemplary manner to deter others to follow this path. I even placed a good example of "contrived writing" with Gaby's escape in Attack on Titan which you didn't even bother to refute (because you have nothing to actaully stand on). Adizcool said: Well, maybe you should write better than, seeing as the original line is clearly meant to compare the show to shonen shows in a negative light. I agree it is a commonly used trope in shonen media, but your original comment was just trying to put down the show by implying that for some reason, using this trope diminishes the value of the show as a seinen. Fanboys aren't ready for good writing like mine, they immediately fully support bad storytelling and contrived writting just because someone popular wrote a popular manga with zero criticism from it's readers. It's even more laughable when fanboys cling to a manga just because it was published in a seinen publisher, as if bad storytelling and cheezy directing was somehow unnexistant in this demographic. My point was exactly to ridicule the whole over the top shonen theatrics and it's even more laughable now that you have to pull out the word seinen as if that means anything to the cheesy over the top acting. Adizcool said: That is how the character is introduced, we are meant to follow him as he changes. And even in the introduction, it is clearly established that Rafal forgets about rationality and starts to follow his instincts and desires when it comes to astronomy. His monologue in episode 2 was him finally shedding his fake character and admitting to himself that he is an irrational person who is moved by irrational things like like the stars and sky. Are you even reading and processing the bullshit you're writing inside your own head? Of course we need to see the transition from a character that lived his whole life with his head down in order to survive in this world into a martyr. That is again 101 storytelling. Him being irrational doesn't add up at all, sounds like you're overthinking something that wasn't properly depicted with visuals and proper storytelling. It boils down to "lulz he's so random so anything is fully justfified". Adizcool said: Well, this is just awkward, given just how much more popular the show has gotten now. Both in the ratings and the number of people watching, with everyone watching it commending it is one of the best of the season. Where are these numbers? Normally when people claim that X or Y show got a boost in viewership they provide actual evidence (link to a page with metrics). I'm sorry but this is just hogwash bullshit from you with nothing to stand on. |
KimurahYesterday, 8:40 AM
Yesterday, 3:23 PM
#231
Reply to Kimurah
Adizcool said:
I don't know why you are acting like Nowak is some jobless person who has all the time to hound Rafal. From earlier interactions, it is clear that the inquisitors are dealing with heretics they have evidence over. He will clearly be prioritizing those than worrying about a hunch. At when he did get the time, he followed up on that and confronted Rafal and Potocki. Just because the anime didn't show you what was happening between episode 2 and 3 for this particular character that doesn't mean that character had been doing nothing.
I don't know why you are acting like Nowak is some jobless person who has all the time to hound Rafal. From earlier interactions, it is clear that the inquisitors are dealing with heretics they have evidence over. He will clearly be prioritizing those than worrying about a hunch. At when he did get the time, he followed up on that and confronted Rafal and Potocki. Just because the anime didn't show you what was happening between episode 2 and 3 for this particular character that doesn't mean that character had been doing nothing.
This is where your verbal diahrrea falls apart. Nowak had NO REAL EVIDENCE of Rafal being a heretic. In a cop show this would be considered hounding/fishing on just a vague hunch (because the heretic they killed lived in the same premises). Nowak did indeed feel like he had nothing better to do by suddenly telerpoting itself in the most cheap anime way into Rafal's path.
Adizcool said:
You don't need an internal monologue to infer what a character might be feeling. Potocki's behavior was clearly strange when Rafal met him at night, with him digging Rafal about heretical ideas. That is enough to understand that something is off and prepare for the worst case. Also, on Potocki, just because the relationship was well till then, doesn't mean something as frightening as death cannot change that in a moment.
You don't need an internal monologue to infer what a character might be feeling. Potocki's behavior was clearly strange when Rafal met him at night, with him digging Rafal about heretical ideas. That is enough to understand that something is off and prepare for the worst case. Also, on Potocki, just because the relationship was well till then, doesn't mean something as frightening as death cannot change that in a moment.
Actually you do need to give proper motivation for your characters in order to connect the dots in a story. Either use internal monologues (which are the cheaper and easiest way to brief the audience) or use proper visuals with show don't tell. Your whole argument is just as bogus as Nowak's cheap motivation on a "maybe".
Adizcool said:
You're forgetting how young Rafal is. He is young enough that even Nowak tries to help him out and state that he doesn't want to torture him. It is very clear that the people around him just viewed him as a child who had stumbled into the wrong path, and would get right back with a little help. That is also why Nowak appeared so confused and bewildered when talking to Rafal in the prison, he had been nothing he had expected him to be.
You're forgetting how young Rafal is. He is young enough that even Nowak tries to help him out and state that he doesn't want to torture him. It is very clear that the people around him just viewed him as a child who had stumbled into the wrong path, and would get right back with a little help. That is also why Nowak appeared so confused and bewildered when talking to Rafal in the prison, he had been nothing he had expected him to be.
This is the most nothingburger reply in order to discredit what I previosly stated. His age has nothing to do with stablishing a pattern in frisking prisoners regardless of their age. Again, if a lot of people in those times where afraid of being killed at a bonefire the normal "procedure" would be to frisk everyone before putting them in a cell. The whole point of killing people in the bonefire is moot when there's no one to kill in an exemplary manner to deter others to follow this path.
I even placed a good example of "contrived writing" with Gaby's escape in Attack on Titan which you didn't even bother to refute (because you have nothing to actaully stand on).
Adizcool said:
Well, maybe you should write better than, seeing as the original line is clearly meant to compare the show to shonen shows in a negative light. I agree it is a commonly used trope in shonen media, but your original comment was just trying to put down the show by implying that for some reason, using this trope diminishes the value of the show as a seinen.
Well, maybe you should write better than, seeing as the original line is clearly meant to compare the show to shonen shows in a negative light. I agree it is a commonly used trope in shonen media, but your original comment was just trying to put down the show by implying that for some reason, using this trope diminishes the value of the show as a seinen.
Fanboys aren't ready for good writing like mine, they immediately fully support bad storytelling and contrived writting just because someone popular wrote a popular manga with zero criticism from it's readers. It's even more laughable when fanboys cling to a manga just because it was published in a seinen publisher, as if bad storytelling and cheezy directing was somehow unnexistant in this demographic.
My point was exactly to ridicule the whole over the top shonen theatrics and it's even more laughable now that you have to pull out the word seinen as if that means anything to the cheesy over the top acting.
Adizcool said:
That is how the character is introduced, we are meant to follow him as he changes. And even in the introduction, it is clearly established that Rafal forgets about rationality and starts to follow his instincts and desires when it comes to astronomy. His monologue in episode 2 was him finally shedding his fake character and admitting to himself that he is an irrational person who is moved by irrational things like like the stars and sky.
That is how the character is introduced, we are meant to follow him as he changes. And even in the introduction, it is clearly established that Rafal forgets about rationality and starts to follow his instincts and desires when it comes to astronomy. His monologue in episode 2 was him finally shedding his fake character and admitting to himself that he is an irrational person who is moved by irrational things like like the stars and sky.
Are you even reading and processing the bullshit you're writing inside your own head? Of course we need to see the transition from a character that lived his whole life with his head down in order to survive in this world into a martyr. That is again 101 storytelling. Him being irrational doesn't add up at all, sounds like you're overthinking something that wasn't properly depicted with visuals and proper storytelling. It boils down to "lulz he's so random so anything is fully justfified".
Adizcool said:
Well, this is just awkward, given just how much more popular the show has gotten now. Both in the ratings and the number of people watching, with everyone watching it commending it is one of the best of the season.
Well, this is just awkward, given just how much more popular the show has gotten now. Both in the ratings and the number of people watching, with everyone watching it commending it is one of the best of the season.
Where are these numbers? Normally when people claim that X or Y show got a boost in viewership they provide actual evidence (link to a page with metrics). I'm sorry but this is just hogwash bullshit from you with nothing to stand on.
@Kimurah orb is really getting more popular tho |
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