[Oshi No Ko]
| I wonder why no one has made a new thread complaining about how did he know which cigarette butts to take. Slackers. |
Confused_100 said: I literally have a working lg A133 flip phone right now in front of me. I used to use it right around the mid 2010s. You can enter UNLIMITED wrong passwords without even a delay in between. majinale said: I didn't change your quote on purpose, the forum quote system is confusing i mixed what i wrote with yours (I think it;s fixed now). Anyway you are obsessed with things that make no sense.If fanboyism is bad, reverse fanboyism is even worse. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, nether technically or storytelling wise.You are stretching even for a nitpick. If you think that there is something irrational about the fandom, you can do better. “Nothing wrong with that scene, neither technically or storytelling”, tell me you never used a mobile phone before without telling you never used a mobile phone before. Edit: Just to reply to fanboyism and reverse fanboyism thing. Fans don’t act like there’s nothing and that it is flawless. Fans criticise to tell author “hey this is wrong because of…, please take care next time to research”. That way he becomes better and understand his weak points. Reverse fanboyism would be to criticise every scene, which isn’t the case here. We are criticising one scene in particular. You want it to open a floodgate. Cool I could do that, if you want but you won’t like it neither will I. So stop acting like this is a bad thing to criticise when you have people criticising other animes for less. edit: Here i am even kind enough to make a video for you as well https://streamable.com/sep6pm |
majinaleMay 1, 2023 7:31 AM
Confused_100 said: The problem here is that you are nitpicking the wrong thing. You think that you have some knowledge that you don't actually have (how ALL phones used to work in the 2000-2010 era) and you are being absolute about it as well. majinale said: I didn't change your quote on purpose, the forum quote system is confusing i mixed what i wrote with yours (I think it;s fixed now). Anyway you are obsessed with things that make no sense.If fanboyism is bad, reverse fanboyism is even worse. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, nether technically or storytelling wise.You are stretching even for a nitpick. If you think that there is something irrational about the fandom, you can do better. “Nothing wrong with that scene, neither technically or storytelling”, tell me you never used a mobile phone before without telling you never used a mobile phone before. Edit: Just to reply to fanboyism and reverse fanboyism thing. Fans don’t act like there’s nothing and that it is flawless. Fans criticise to tell author “hey this is wrong because of…, please take care next time to research”. That way he becomes better and understand his weak points. Reverse fanboyism would be to criticise every scene, which isn’t the case here. We are criticising one scene in particular. You want it to open a floodgate. Cool I could do that, if you want but you won’t like it neither will I. So stop acting like this is a bad thing to criticise when you have people criticising other animes for less. Want to hear an actual valid criticism about the scene? He said that it was his 45510th try, which implies that he started testing with 5 digits from the start, which is irrational since it means he skipped the 10000 4digit codes. Had he said it was his 55510th try, it would have been perfect. But for the context of the scene all of that is forgiven, it works just fine. |
Confused_100 said: So i provided video proof that there were phones with similar and even more lax security back in the day, debunking all your silly arguments about inaccuracy. And your new thing is that i don't know how pins work, even though 4 digit pin has been the standard minimum length for literally decades? At this point you are embarrassing yourself. majinale said: The problem here is that you are nitpicking the wrong thing. You think that you have some knowledge that you don't actually have (how ALL phones used to work in the 2000-2010 era) and you are being absolute about it as well. Want to hear an actual valid criticism about the scene? He said that it was his 45510th try, which implies that he started testing with 5 digits from the start, which is irrational since it means he skipped the 10000 4digit codes. Had he said it was his 55510th try, it would have been perfect. But for the context of the scene all of that is forgiven, it works just fine. You do know that the phone he is using has a 5 digit passcode most likely. I know this could be a surprise for you but not all phones were 4 digit passcode. What you said talks as if he can start with 4 digits first then try 5 digits which isn’t the case here. If that’s the case, you should add 3 digit possibilities and 2 digit possibilities. I know you want to defend objectively bad writing here. It’s okay. But learn how PIN codes work first. Edit: You really outed yourself with this reply btw. Thank you edit. People have been spelling things out for you in this thread from the first page. You are missing the point, you lack knowledge since you don't seem to know anything about anything, yet you are arguing with confidence. I am even trying to throw you a bone taking as step back, so that we can conclude this discussion as a disagreement but you seem really unhinged. Feel free to continue arguing the same thing in circles with a different person each time. Anyway i am out. |
majinaleMay 1, 2023 8:34 AM
| i think i missed the "hacking a fliphpone" part in my gynecology class |
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| @animeIs4Children, not suprised for papperazi or just hackers in general to do that. Imagine getting millions of cash just for leaking privacy or blackmail |
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Absol125 said: In case you missed it, i was being sarcastic. majinale said: Ok, how could he know this if he was a doctor in his previous life? He could have found it on internet :))? He needs to know perfectly how to do that otherwise he would damage the phone and this is not possible if he only has knowledge in medicine.Yes yes i agree, the correct move was obviously to remove the eprom memory chip, solder some wires in the correct spots, provide the correct voltage, connect said wires to his computer's serial port then dump the memory, opening it with a hex editor praying that the memory wasn't encrypted. That would make for a much more compelling story. /s Look everyone Aqua is a smart character because he was a doctor in his previous life which is a very hard thing to achieve, but being smart doesn't mean he must knows everything. It is understandable for him not knowing how to hack an old phone, not even the anime told us if he had some little knowledge about hacking so the scene with him brute-forcing his way into Ai's phone is not dumb as others said. |
majinaleMay 3, 2023 9:42 AM
| This thread confirms it for me most people who watch anime are stupid in nature. You're right op. Unfortunately, your words fell on deaf ears |
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| there are so many things that are off in this anime. i am glad it is not #1 anymore. eagerly waiting for it to drop down slowly. does not deserve this top spot at all |
| If that's the dumbest thing you saw, it means you didn't see anything. |
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stalkerdeb said: This is a gross underestimation of the skills required. Otherwise we wouldn't need specialist to do things like this. And also a gross over-estimation of the time required.Tennouji said: Assuming a normal person has a knowledge about that. I assume 4 years should be suffice to learn that Ai's password was 45510 which with a 30 seconds time gap (45510 x 30) is only 16 days. I'm not sure where people are getting these insanely long time from. Its only 15 minutes a day for 4 years. Its like a morning and nightly routine. It does require dedication, but just like brushing your teeth, once its a routine, its not all that annoying to do and it comes naturally after awhile like a habit. The following is a reply generally and not to you specifically, but having dabbed a little into the various subjects that would be required... I can give my two cents. |
zcv45May 3, 2023 11:45 PM
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Cneq said: Cheap plot device? Finding the passcode written down somewhere would be a cheap plot device.SomeNewGuy said: Nah it is just a cheap plot device. If the intent was to show how messed up he is then they should of had the attempt end in failure [as it realistically should have] and simply have had some other way of him getting information. Cold storage is quite literally the safest bet so they could've easily made it that he simply discovered a combination to a safe and some written information was in there.I feel like people are missing the point here. The reason why it was written like this is to convey to the audience just how decicated he really is about getting revenge and how far he is willing to go in order to achieve it. While it's true the author could've easily incorporated a "hacking" element here, it wouldn't have had the same impact nor conveyed the same message. As the whole point of this scene is to get the viewer/reader to react and realise just how mentally screwed up Aqua has become due to Ai's passing where he wouldn't mind "wasting" 4 years of his life just to break into a phone that may or may not contain useful information, this is messed up, it doesn't make any sense and that's the whole point. Or heck since AI is kind of portrayed as a ditz why not have him do that for four years only to accidentally find the passcode for the phone written down somewhere? That would also be a better writing move to show how messed up his psyche is that he would rather focus entirely on brute forcing a phone like that instead of considering other options [and yet this would still make a more believable plot device and still highlight that aspect of his character]. I'm sure some people would do it but I'm quite certain most people don't write down their password to their phones. It's a simple string of numbers they get to pick themselves. It's not exactly the hardest thing to remember, who the heck needs to write that down? It would actually be odd that she would write it down and leave it just lying around somewhere considering she's a famous idol that is fairly careful with her personal information. And putting it a safe is even more weird. How many people have a safe just lying around where they put a slip of paper with their phone's PW written down? Sounds more like some dumb fetch quest in a game than anything a normal person would do. Also keep in mind they moved at least 2 times already. Any chance of finding some clues is LONG GONE. Simply put, that phone is older than the kids and weren't used after they were born. No way they would have caught a glimpse of the phone. The alternatives are hours everyday for several years to learn the prerequisite knowledge to hack the phone which may very well take just 10 minutes. But to get to that point take years. vs 15 minutes a day for 4 years for a total of 16 days of brute forcing. Or be a toddler walking into a tech shop and hand over a famous idol's phone while still trying to hide any familial relations and hope the technician doesn't take a peek at the contents inside let alone question the situation as a whole. Brute forcing the passcode is pretty much the first thing any laymen would think about. Perhaps first trying some combinations that they think is likely (birthdays etc.) before resorting to brute forcing. And if he goes sequentially, its not hard to keep track of your progress. |
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SomeNewGuy said: I feel like people are missing the point here. The reason why it was written like this is to convey to the audience just how decicated he really is about getting revenge and how far he is willing to go in order to achieve it. While it's true the author could've easily incorporated a "hacking" element here, it wouldn't have had the same impact nor conveyed the same message. As the whole point of this scene is to get the viewer/reader to react and realise just how mentally screwed up Aqua has become due to Ai's passing where he wouldn't mind "wasting" 4 years of his life just to break into a phone that may or may not contain useful information, this is messed up, it doesn't make any sense and that's the whole point. finally a good answer |
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