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| Ok one thing I found weird and interesting is that the number imprinted on the boy that played the song near young Isabella was 71584(not 100% sure because of the collar) and Isabella's number is 73584, the numbers on Emma s something starting with 6 and the number on Ray is something starting at 8. So either their is no order or it's some sort of categorising. Like children starting at 6 are born by people starting with 5, why? because Isabella is a 7 and her child Ray is an 8. All in all I really loved this show all the way through, the tension and intrigue is over 9000. |
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| I vote Isabella as BEST MILF OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goddamn. It was beautiful seeing her preggy and when her hair was down. Goddamn beautiful. I thought she ends herself a minute there. I'm glad she didn't. She decides to continue being a mother. Doubt the demons will kill her. It will harm the brain development of the other children if their mom suddenly disappears and gets switched out. Children's brains are precious merchandise. Such a wholesome mother.    SHE NEEDS TO BE SAVED!!!!! I VOLUNTEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| WAIFU MATERIAL SHA HAS MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN AN EPISODE THAN 90% OF ALL ANIME CHARACTERS OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    |
| I was half expecting to see Isabella hang herself at the end with that rope, glad she didn't though. Will be interesting to see what happens to her and the kids that stayed behind next season. Really loved this show, I haven't read the manga so I can't say it felt rushed to me. Enjoyed the music, animation and characters. |
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| Amazing finale to easily the best anime of the season IMO... The show was just the perfect blend of suspense, mystery, and drama. From start to end, I never felt bored, I always wanted to know what would happen next and for a show that gives you very little exposition, they did a hell of a job at fully immersing you into their world. I’m sooo happy this immediately got a season 2 because, no doubt in my mind that’s where we’ll learn more about the monsters and this mysterious world. This anime was a breath of fresh air...it wasn’t your run of the mill shounen, it wasn’t yet another school anime, no pointless love drama nonsense, just pure mystery and drama. I wish more anime would be like this one! 10/10 This is my 2019 AOTY until another proves to be more worthy. |
Howlong said: WAIFU MATERIAL SHA HAS MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN AN EPISODE THAN 90% OF ALL ANIME CHARACTERS OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like backstories, but her character development is not really consistent. If you look at the last episode, when Isabella thinks that Ray burned himself, first thought she gets is that "I should at least save his brain". I think a more emotional response would have been appropriate. Still a good show. 8/10. |
| Lit, amazing finale episode to end proceedings for the first season! Ray is totally beaten by Norman’s ingenuity but got to feel for him too, the number of times he’s had to change plans and the excruciating years he spent on making them is just saddening when you think about it. Emma and Norman really can make anything happen and I’m sure Ray must’ve realised this by now. But all that really matters now is that he’s alive and so are Emma and the others and are about to embark into the outside forbidden world, can’t wait to see how that goes! Starting the episode off with Phil was exactly what I, and many too I’m sure, needed. He’s selfless but I don’t get where his god-tier intellect comes from, but I honestly shouldn’t be surprised considering how Norman managed to come up with such a detailed and accurate plan months in advance with just one round around the farm’s wall(in our timeline, we had the famous Schlieffen Plan which proved to be outdated but that’s definitely not the case here). I really hope we get around to knowing why these kids are just so courageous and smart to boot, it just doesn’t feel right how they are able to do such superhuman things despite only being a handful of clever kids. About the whole escape plan though, it was wonderfully exploited and a masterful plan overall but I’m honestly amazed how their training, of a mere 2 months, got them to absolute world-class level, just look at how Don and the kids got their angle of elevation and timing so freakin’ precise even in the blackening dark(a couple of seconds off and the whole plan would’ve gone to bonkers). Speaking of bonkers, it looks like Mama, or Isabelle, had gone through that phase during her early teenage years. Leaving this aside, just the whole revelation and incoherent flashbacks at the start before slowly all aligning so perflectly like that was astonishing really! Got to feel for her here, seeing her friend go away like that while possibly knowing what lies ahead and then seeing that demon like that so close must really cripple one totally. No wonder why she abandoned even her child for the sake of ‘survival’. You’d expect her to be more vigilant as the caretaker to prevent the kids from escaping but it seems as though there was still a lingering hope within her that Ray, in particular, would make it and hence the carelessness, or so it felt like to me. It wouldn’t make sense otherwise why she wouldn’t realise the training, more so since she herself attempted something of the sort in her past. Whatever the case, the presentation of all this was just too-notch! She’s even gone as far as to hoping them for the best for what’s to come so I suppose that just goes to show she really did care for them although there was nothing else she could’ve done to protect herself. Norman’s supposed final words to her, “Are you happy?” and then that shocked Isabelle comes to mind too. Looks like she’s accepted her fate whatever it may have in store for her, but I doubt the higher-ups will look to replace her now of all times. After all, it’s the kids brain that’s the whole purpose of these intricate ‘farms’, right? As for the whole show in general, the suspense was legit throughout the series although admittedly a lot lesser in the middle section as compared to the start and the end. Some things, as I mentioned above, felt off but nothing too jarring of sorts to infuriate me. Come to think of it, some of the too-extreme facial expressions and actions really did catch me off guard, especially from noneother than Sister Krone, and make things a little unsettling and over-the-top but nothing too much of a biggie again. Soundtrack as a whole was amazing; Op was legit fire, EDs sung by Co Shu Nie just go hand-in-hand with this show, Voice Acting was magnificent in catching all the Characters emotions and some of the Soundtracks, like the ost that played during Isabelle’s flashbacks this episode, were brilliant! Overall, it was indeed great! Art/Animation Scale has a few let-downs, most notably that un-gravity like ascending move by Norman and the way how Isabelle managed to hoist herself all the way to the top of the wall along with a few poor shots every now and then, but overall it was really good! Sure the different camera angles really only managed to elevate the tension just a couple of times or so and felt a little odd during others, but the creativity put into this was very pleasing to watch! Preference of using the dark shades during the more intense moments was a very compelling idea too! All in all, it was a fantastic series! A very well-deserved 8.25/10, and just a shy away from a 9! Definitely stoked for Season 2 that’s due to come early next year, hopefully it’ll be 2 cours this time although chances for a split-cour which I’m fine with too is probably more likely. For now, I’ll give a read through the manga covering up till this arc just to have a feel for the manga, who knows I might even indulge into what’s to come if I feel inclined to but I really hope not lol for it’s amazing to watch this as an anime-only! |
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| I was going to score this a 7 cuz I find some of the episode is quite boring but oof, this last episode of twist boost it up 8/10 |
| Wow she is literally Ray's mom, didn't see that coming. |
| Man, I am so glad to have picked this series up. That finale was incredible. The series was incredible. Certainly, a contender for AOTY in my eyes and I think it's going to be pretty hard to beat it. Definitely, a 9/10 for me and I am recommending it to anyone who is really into psychological mysteries or who just want something a little different. Like someone here previously mentioned, this is definitely a good gateway show for those new to anime. For the finale itself, I am so glad that they managed to escape. I'll admit, having not read the manga, I was on edge the entire time. I had doubts and they pleasantly surprised me, especially when Isabella and Emma were stood on the wall together. Speaking of Isabella, I'm also glad that we got some more backstory. It tied everything in perfectly and she is definitely now one of my favorite anime antagonists. She had real motives and didn't do what she did just for the sake of it. I am so happy about Phil as well. I'm so pleased that he wasn't just coincidentally placed in every possible situation for no reason. He's a smart, perceptive kid after all. What a lad. 2020 cannot come soon enough, for I am eagerly anticipating the second season. In the meantime, I'll definitely be picking up the manga. I'm just itching to know what happens next! |
| I've just bought 8 volumes of the Manga but, before i read, i want to say 2 things 1.I won't change my opinion on the show because i believe that an adaptation has to be different and have its own unique style different from the source material 2.I liked this show because of the show don't tell technique used in a lot of scenes and because of the subtle character work, that, even without a single word, gave the characters more personality that i thought |
AwesomeAlfie27Mar 29, 2019 12:09 AM
| May our sweet and Merciful Madoka be with you |
| Goddamn that music during Isabella's past. 9/10 cant wait for the second season. |
_MushiRock11_ said: Lit, amazing finale episode to end proceedings for the first season! Ray is totally beaten by Norman’s ingenuity but got to feel for him too, the number of times he’s had to change plans and the excruciating years he spent on making them is just saddening when you think about it. Emma and Norman really can make anything happen and I’m sure Ray must’ve realised this by now. But all that really matters now is that he’s alive and so are Emma and the others and are about to embark into the outside forbidden world, can’t wait to see how that goes! Starting the episode off with Phil was exactly what I, and many too I’m sure, needed. He’s selfless but I don’t get where his god-tier intellect comes from, but I honestly shouldn’t be surprised considering how Norman managed to come up with such a detailed and accurate plan months in advance with just one round around the farm’s wall(in our timeline, we had the famous Schlieffen Plan which proved to be outdated but that’s definitely not the case here). I really hope we get around to knowing why these kids are just so courageous and smart to boot, it just doesn’t feel right how they are able to do such superhuman things despite only being a handful of clever kids. About the whole escape plan though, it was wonderfully exploited and a masterful plan overall but I’m honestly amazed how their training, of a mere 2 months, got them to absolute world-class level, just look at how Don and the kids got their angle of elevation and timing so freakin’ precise even in the blackening dark(a couple of seconds off and the whole plan would’ve gone to bonkers). Speaking of bonkers, it looks like Mama, or Isabelle, had gone through that phase during her early teenage years. Leaving this aside, just the whole revelation and incoherent flashbacks at the start before slowly all aligning so perflectly like that was astonishing really! Got to feel for her here, seeing her friend go away like that while possibly knowing what lies ahead and then seeing that demon like that so close must really cripple one totally. No wonder why she abandoned even her child for the sake of ‘survival’. You’d expect her to be more vigilant as the caretaker to prevent the kids from escaping but it seems as though there was still a lingering hope within her that Ray, in particular, would make it and hence the carelessness, or so it felt like to me. It wouldn’t make sense otherwise why she wouldn’t realise the training, more so since she herself attempted something of the sort in her past. Whatever the case, the presentation of all this was just too-notch! She’s even gone as far as to hoping them for the best for what’s to come so I suppose that just goes to show she really did care for them although there was nothing else she could’ve done to protect herself. Norman’s supposed final words to her, “Are you happy?” and then that shocked Isabelle comes to mind too. Looks like she’s accepted her fate whatever it may have in store for her, but I doubt the higher-ups will look to replace her now of all times. After all, it’s the kids brain that’s the whole purpose of these intricate ‘farms’, right? As for the whole show in general, the suspense was legit throughout the series although admittedly a lot lesser in the middle section as compared to the start and the end. Some things, as I mentioned above, felt off but nothing too jarring of sorts to infuriate me. Come to think of it, some of the too-extreme facial expressions and actions really did catch me off guard, especially from noneother than Sister Krone, and make things a little unsettling and over-the-top but nothing too much of a biggie again. Soundtrack as a whole was amazing; Op was legit fire, EDs sung by Co Shu Nie just go hand-in-hand with this show, Voice Acting was magnificent in catching all the Characters emotions and some of the Soundtracks, like the ost that played during Isabelle’s flashbacks this episode, were brilliant! Overall, it was indeed great! Art/Animation Scale has a few let-downs, most notably that un-gravity like ascending move by Norman and the way how Isabelle managed to hoist herself all the way to the top of the wall along with a few poor shots every now and then, but overall it was really good! Sure the different camera angles really only managed to elevate the tension just a couple of times or so and felt a little odd during others, but the creativity put into this was very pleasing to watch! Preference of using the dark shades during the more intense moments was a very compelling idea too! All in all, it was a fantastic series! A very well-deserved 8.25/10, and just a shy away from a 9! Definitely stoked for Season 2 that’s due to come early next year, hopefully it’ll be 2 cours this time although chances for a split-cour which I’m fine with too is probably more likely. For now, I’ll give a read through the manga covering up till this arc just to have a feel for the manga, who knows I might even indulge into what’s to come if I feel inclined to but I really hope not lol for it’s amazing to watch this as an anime-only! I agree man, good analysis Emma's actions, Norman's plan and Ray's reaction can be seen as a good summary of the entire show to be honest :) |
| May our sweet and Merciful Madoka be with you |
Suhrid1993 said: Yeah as I have read the manga the last episode didn't feel as emotionally charging as the manga. Pretty much this ^^ Nonetheless, it was a great series overall! Surely my favourite from this winter season, 8.4/10. |
NothinComplexPlsMar 29, 2019 12:17 AM
| You gotta feel bad for mama |
AwesomeAlfie27 said: _MushiRock11_ said: Lit, amazing finale episode to end proceedings for the first season! Ray is totally beaten by Norman’s ingenuity but got to feel for him too, the number of times he’s had to change plans and the excruciating years he spent on making them is just saddening when you think about it. Emma and Norman really can make anything happen and I’m sure Ray must’ve realised this by now. But all that really matters now is that he’s alive and so are Emma and the others and are about to embark into the outside forbidden world, can’t wait to see how that goes! Starting the episode off with Phil was exactly what I, and many too I’m sure, needed. He’s selfless but I don’t get where his god-tier intellect comes from, but I honestly shouldn’t be surprised considering how Norman managed to come up with such a detailed and accurate plan months in advance with just one round around the farm’s wall(in our timeline, we had the famous Schlieffen Plan which proved to be outdated but that’s definitely not the case here). I really hope we get around to knowing why these kids are just so courageous and smart to boot, it just doesn’t feel right how they are able to do such superhuman things despite only being a handful of clever kids. About the whole escape plan though, it was wonderfully exploited and a masterful plan overall but I’m honestly amazed how their training, of a mere 2 months, got them to absolute world-class level, just look at how Don and the kids got their angle of elevation and timing so freakin’ precise even in the blackening dark(a couple of seconds off and the whole plan would’ve gone to bonkers). Speaking of bonkers, it looks like Mama, or Isabelle, had gone through that phase during her early teenage years. Leaving this aside, just the whole revelation and incoherent flashbacks at the start before slowly all aligning so perflectly like that was astonishing really! Got to feel for her here, seeing her friend go away like that while possibly knowing what lies ahead and then seeing that demon like that so close must really cripple one totally. No wonder why she abandoned even her child for the sake of ‘survival’. You’d expect her to be more vigilant as the caretaker to prevent the kids from escaping but it seems as though there was still a lingering hope within her that Ray, in particular, would make it and hence the carelessness, or so it felt like to me. It wouldn’t make sense otherwise why she wouldn’t realise the training, more so since she herself attempted something of the sort in her past. Whatever the case, the presentation of all this was just too-notch! She’s even gone as far as to hoping them for the best for what’s to come so I suppose that just goes to show she really did care for them although there was nothing else she could’ve done to protect herself. Norman’s supposed final words to her, “Are you happy?” and then that shocked Isabelle comes to mind too. Looks like she’s accepted her fate whatever it may have in store for her, but I doubt the higher-ups will look to replace her now of all times. After all, it’s the kids brain that’s the whole purpose of these intricate ‘farms’, right? As for the whole show in general, the suspense was legit throughout the series although admittedly a lot lesser in the middle section as compared to the start and the end. Some things, as I mentioned above, felt off but nothing too jarring of sorts to infuriate me. Come to think of it, some of the too-extreme facial expressions and actions really did catch me off guard, especially from noneother than Sister Krone, and make things a little unsettling and over-the-top but nothing too much of a biggie again. Soundtrack as a whole was amazing; Op was legit fire, EDs sung by Co Shu Nie just go hand-in-hand with this show, Voice Acting was magnificent in catching all the Characters emotions and some of the Soundtracks, like the ost that played during Isabelle’s flashbacks this episode, were brilliant! Overall, it was indeed great! Art/Animation Scale has a few let-downs, most notably that un-gravity like ascending move by Norman and the way how Isabelle managed to hoist herself all the way to the top of the wall along with a few poor shots every now and then, but overall it was really good! Sure the different camera angles really only managed to elevate the tension just a couple of times or so and felt a little odd during others, but the creativity put into this was very pleasing to watch! Preference of using the dark shades during the more intense moments was a very compelling idea too! All in all, it was a fantastic series! A very well-deserved 8.25/10, and just a shy away from a 9! Definitely stoked for Season 2 that’s due to come early next year, hopefully it’ll be 2 cours this time although chances for a split-cour which I’m fine with too is probably more likely. For now, I’ll give a read through the manga covering up till this arc just to have a feel for the manga, who knows I might even indulge into what’s to come if I feel inclined to but I really hope not lol for it’s amazing to watch this as an anime-only! I agree man, good analysis Emma's actions, Norman's plan and Ray's reaction can be seen as a good summary of the entire show to be honest :) Good to hear that, and thanks! |
#Anime4Life be my Life Motto! #PrayForKyoAni |
| Isabella is hell fire hot... yeah... Too lazy to post anything else about the show. Can't wait for second season! |
| I'll fade away and classify myself as obsolete! Obsolete!! |
| Looking forward to the 2nd season. UVERworld doing the OP bumped it up to an 8/10 for me. |
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Veldora_Tempest said: thiago52192 said: If it serves of any consolation, Karhu is the top voted one. If he didn't liked it must be good The only good review I've seen from him was on Gintama lol; nothing else above 5 @thiago52192 damn i remember that guy from Mo Dao Zu Shi review he gave it a 2/10 but when i read the reviews and im sure he didn't even watch the series he called it "gay harem shit! with op mc" but if u watch the series every word that he stated is a lie, its not even close to be something like harem. its not yaoi(it will be in later parts of the story but that parts are not included in first season), and mc is not op at all, and some ppl say these kind of reviews are not fake or based on absolute hate! |
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| Absolutely loved this, it was amazing 10/10. Haven't given this score in a while, since mahoutsuki no yome, even that it wasn't all directed at the plot. I can't wait to see more Cloverworks work! Looking forward to that FGO adaptation! |
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| I knew my boy Phil is clever! The shots of him in previous episodes looking like hes questioning something/suspicious of something made me think so. Ahh, now the cliffhanger got us waiting for a year instead of a week. The possibilities of what its like outside the plantation and headquarters is killing me. |
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| I'm disappointed about this finale.. I was expecting some revelations about the outside world or atleast more informations about the antagonists. This was still interesting to learn about Mama's past and her relationship with Ray |
| I'm speechless. Everything from the story, to OSTs, to the consistent animation was amazing. Definitely one of the best shows I've seen in a long time. |
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| Goddamn, that was great. This series really exceeded my expectations. Quite the emotional final episode though, it turns out that Ray was the son of Isabella, that's just sad. 9/10 Can't wait for the next season! |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia |
| Very nice last episode, better than expected. Isabella's and Phil's scenes were all great. Nice music. But I'd be lying if I said I loved the show as a whole. There were several episodes that did almost nothing for me. Did not like most of the dumb "evil/crazy faces" that some characters made. You want me to take your KEIKAKU'ing seriously? Then don't make those faces, Ray. Or Emma. But, there was enough there to enjoy. 6 or a 7, but I'll go with 7 since this finale was really good. |
| Great anime, thoroughly enjoyed it! Glad season 2 is announced as well I usually don't do this but I'm gonna read the manga, must know what's gonna happen haha |
| Not a perfect adaptation but because I like the original source, I'll rate it 9/10 |
Shirobako is AOTY 2015. Deal with it. |
| I don't read manga as a general rule to avoid spoilers for any eventual anime adaptations. Not to mention, it would color my judgment and affect my anime experience by making me constantly compare the adaptation to the source material. And as an anime-only watcher, it was phenomenal. Very Handmaid's Tale at times. |
| oh my god, that was. incredible. although the build-up was kinda long, it was all worth it in the end. so happy they announced a second season, can't wait to see more |
| I'm going to give this a 8/10 for now because I enjoyed it a lot. Yes, it was lacking and definitely the manga handled the psychological parts better. This was still one of the best series for the Winter Anime 2019 lineup. I'm going to rewatch it from beginning to end and see if my opinion will change. Then again, I'm not good at rating and numbers don't really mean anything to me on MAL since what I find enjoyable, others might find repulsive and vice versa. Phil and many of the younger children were fucking adorable. Phil is my baby. He was my baby in the manga and he still is in the Anime. I'm just glad that they announced a season 2. I wasn't sure they would but I feel like this series sold well, most especially in Japan. I'm still keeping up with the manga and re-reading a lot of the chapters. |
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| There are quite some plotholes throughout the show, but since season 2 is announced I can consider those plotholes as foreshadowing. So before I watch and finish season 2 this anime will be 9 ~ 10 / 10 :) |
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| This was definitely OUTSTANDING!!! LOVED IT |
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Chrome_Falcon said: Howlong said: WAIFU MATERIAL SHA HAS MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN AN EPISODE THAN 90% OF ALL ANIME CHARACTERS OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like backstories, but her character development is not really consistent. If you look at the last episode, when Isabella thinks that Ray burned himself, first thought she gets is that "I should at least save his brain". I think a more emotional response would have been appropriate. Still a good show. 8/10. I'm sure Isabella doesn't really care for him as her child. In the flashback to when Ray was humming the tune of the boy, Ray asked "Mom, why did you give birth to me?" and she responded "It was for survival", showing she really did not care for him and instead used him, just like she used him as a spy. So it makes sense she cares more about harvesting Ray than him being a son, as he is just another part of the livestock. |
BlakexEkalb said: Chrome_Falcon said: I like backstories, but her character development is not really consistent. If you look at the last episode, when Isabella thinks that Ray burned himself, first thought she gets is that "I should at least save his brain". I think a more emotional response would have been appropriate. Still a good show. 8/10. I'm sure Isabella doesn't really care for him as her child. In the flashback to when Ray was humming the tune of the boy, Ray asked "Mom, why did you give birth to me?" and she responded "It was for survival", showing she really did not care for him and instead used him, just like she used him as a spy. So it makes sense she cares more about harvesting Ray than him being a son, as he is just another part of the livestock. Her expression when she discovered that Ray is her son indicates she did care. But your reasoning can be applied for the fire scene. |
Chrome_Falcon said: BlakexEkalb said: I'm sure Isabella doesn't really care for him as her child. In the flashback to when Ray was humming the tune of the boy, Ray asked "Mom, why did you give birth to me?" and she responded "It was for survival", showing she really did not care for him and instead used him, just like she used him as a spy. So it makes sense she cares more about harvesting Ray than him being a son, as he is just another part of the livestock. Her expression when she discovered that Ray is her son indicates she did care. But your reasoning can be applied for the fire scene. She was surprised, of course, as Ray was able to remember the tune and recognize that she was his mother. This was a result of his ability to remember all the way to his birth. But that doesn't change her care for him, it's just shocking. |
| wow they finally escaped things are getting more interesting I dont think I can wait for its anime ..:D |
| SO EMOTIONAL SO FREAKING GOOD! ALL THE THINGS THAT THIS ANIME MAKES ME FEEEEEEELLLLLL AAAHHHH MY ANIME OF THE SEASON (called it already in ep 2 lol) |
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BlakexEkalb said: Chrome_Falcon said: I like backstories, but her character development is not really consistent. If you look at the last episode, when Isabella thinks that Ray burned himself, first thought she gets is that "I should at least save his brain". I think a more emotional response would have been appropriate. Still a good show. 8/10. I'm sure Isabella doesn't really care for him as her child. In the flashback to when Ray was humming the tune of the boy, Ray asked "Mom, why did you give birth to me?" and she responded "It was for survival", showing she really did not care for him and instead used him, just like she used him as a spy. So it makes sense she cares more about harvesting Ray than him being a son, as he is just another part of the livestock. Did she say "It was for survival" in the English subtitle (assuming you watch with English subtitles) or is it what she said in Japanese? I don't speak Japanese, so I don't know what she really said in that scene, but in the German subtitle, she said "So YOU can survive, Ray". That's very different to a simple "For survival", implying that she did care for Ray rather than only caring about herself. I don't know the manga, so I can only judge from the episode. Just wondering what the right translation would be. |
  I will show no mercy for you You had no mercy for me The only thing that I ask Love me mercilessly |
| which chapter did the anime ended with? |
| Best anime of winter 2019 and maybe of best of the season. |
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| So did the kids use the devices to disable their tracking devices? I must have missed it if they did |
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