Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season - Kanketsu-hen Episode 2 Discussion

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Oct 16, 2:56 PM

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HagePotPotato

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@HagePotPotato That was the tree Eren was buried by, not the same tree Ymir went into.

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1. ok

2. doesn't really change the symbolism and what it seems to be suggesting too much

Oct 17, 4:27 AM

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Lovely_Spoon

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Breaks previously established rules. Not narrative satisfying. Betrays its core themes. Every character acts like they recently survived a lobotomy.

Oct 17, 9:24 AM

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Always feels a bit melancholic to finish a show that has been running for so long. For me the first three seasons were amazing to watch. That charge into the Beast titan led by Erwin is still one of the most memorable moments in anime. Final season got a bit convoluted and confusing for me personally, but it was still solid until the end. We can point out plot holes all day long, but honestly just take it for what it is, a good time.

Oct 20, 7:59 AM

#1504

LeafyTunes

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It is more than just an Anime. It is my childhood, and I will treasure it for the rest of my life.

Oct 25, 1:46 AM

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fofa_184

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I hated this final...

Oct 31, 5:35 PM

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SpiritGT

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MegamiRem said:
Disappointing ending, very disappointed with how Isayama handled it. Expected something better. That said AOT is now finally over. Been quite the journey with this.

I know a lot of people didn’t like it, but can you explain why? I enjoyed it and I’m just wondering what people would have preferred to happen. No hate at all just curious.

@swamp881 that's what i'm trying to find out, i tried reading the manga and gave up and just stuck to the anime so this whole thing has been a mind fuck for me, and tbh i've enjoyed the whole journey but yeah i also want to know why people hate the ending too, and i'm not massive AOT fan or anything either.. i just wanna know why too, same no hate etc too and just curious...

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Oct 31, 5:39 PM

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SpiritGT

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Wtf is this forum lol. How MAL end up becoming more toxic than Twitter/X ???

@ZXEAN LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Nov 3, 6:54 AM

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SamT_T

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Nov 4, 10:25 AM

#1509

DIA_LIX_ID

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Love it so much, I can't even express

Nov 7, 10:20 AM

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Part 1

A battle that lasted an entire episode, it was very epic! How Falco saved everyone, it was cool. It's a pity that Levi can't fight at full strength, but Pieck showed herself from a different side.

Part 2

Where did this incomprehensible creature that can turn everyone into titans come from? They didn't explain in the episode, I think it was the same in the manga. Armin's Titan became some kind of walking nuclear bomb, Bertholdt's didn't cause such destruction. After such a fight, turn the survivors into titans. Seriously? That was very unexpected.

Part 3

Making a world without titans was the most reasonable idea that could have occurred to Eren, but for some reason it was necessary to destroy 80% of the population, and Mikasa implemented it all. Couldn't it have been simpler and without such casualties? From the final credits, it became clear that this still wouldn't have benefited the world. There were a lot of touching moments at the end, I cried again. In any case, a great ending for an anime that people watched for a long time. Thanks to MAPPA and of course Wit Studio!

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Nov 8, 4:35 PM

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topfloorboss45

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what a journey. one of my favourite series i dont mind the ending i thought it was pretty good. ty isayama 10/10

Nov 15, 8:56 PM

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ElDoRado1239

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I love how people defending the piece of unko always start with "haters just didn't get the ending they wanted" or something, before going on about these amazing aspects of SnK S4, often praising precisely those things that made S4 a terrible, terribly animated and terribly drawn nonsensefest.

No, I don't care how things end, if it makes some basic sense, if it respects the characters, established logic and rules, etc. Nothing of sorts was done here, everything was thrown out of the window.

Forced unsympathetic bland characters we never got to know and who never really mattered replaced the main cast. People who used to matter didn't matter anymore, including Queen Historia - which doesn't make any sense. Suddenly Floch and his few men ruled the country, quite the upgrade from a scared novice whose biggest accomplishment was not dying to a random spray of projectiles. The empty husks the actual main characters left behind were weird, unintelligent, alienated... it was infuriating to watch. Mikasa was at least cast away most of the time, but poor Armin was made to say many out of character and very stupid things. I hated the new Armin.

Rules of the game were all gone, but that kinda started with Reiner moving his consciousness into his balls, and Colossal Titan's mandatory thermonuclear explosion when being summoned which never was a thing before. Still, S4 made things worse and worse. At the end, I was nearly praying for Reiner to finally die, his infinite plot armor was the second most annoying thing in S4. First being Gabi's entire existence and every single one of her appearances.

But the worst transgression of all was the lack of any logic to anything. The ending simply didn't make any sense. At one moment, it felt like watching a group of Jews escaping a concentration camp with a holy mission to help the Nazis exterminate all Jews. At another, it was like a very, very cheap and horribly written attempt to mimic Steins;Gate. The authors just kept throwing things into the pot, hoping that the result will be so unintelligible people will confuse this with being "deep", which is exactly what many did. Some probably did that out of sheer desperation, maybe deep down they know that their favorite show has been turned into a horrible sin against storytelling.

Anyways... it's objectively horrible. No one can praise this thing on objective terms. I don't blame those who like it, be it people who are extremely undemanding, or people who fake it till it's true. But at the very least, please stop saying this is the best anime ever. It's not. It's most definitely not.

I've just finished watching Overlord S1-S4. It has a much better and more consistent character design, far better worldbuilding, more robust lore, better writing, better dialogues, even the politics are done in a superior and very enjoyable way.

At the end of S3, the authors of SnK peaked, and they didn't know what to do next. S4 looks like someone else bought the show and finished using cheap newcomer writers with no experience. I would go into more detail and list all the objective flaws, but I'm sure someone else has done that already, multiple times, and those who still claim that S4 is the best thing ever will not change their mind anyway.

Mostly, I just wanted to ease my own disappointment. It could have been huge. It was not.

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