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Dec 6, 2020 4:45 PM
#151
My immersion and empathy ran quite deep with the ending scene and it felt rather realistically done. Not necessarily forced like some commenters had viewed it. As at first Satoko is in the 'regular', 'normal', friendly environment with her friends, a subconscious reflex deflecting the head patting in order to avoid making a correlation between Keiichi and Teppei. Once the arm had been deflected, both of her realities collapse as she gets flashbacks (not shown directly since they aren't nice, but instead shown to us as a delayed action). As she flips back and forth between a traumatic vision and current reality, realizations begin to pile up how the traumatizing 'reality' at Satoko's home is flooding into and corrupting her 'happy'-'everything is fine' life among friends at school, which could likely feel as if the doors for 'escaping' the abusive life are closing. Disorientation and distress cry for an escape ensues. I'd deem it plausible that this type of demonstration could sometimes unfortunately seem a little foreign. I think there to be a minimum of 2 reasons for Satoko to vomit. 1) Sometimes a racing mind piling up limiting realizations will cause a general gagging reaction (well... simplest example is stage fright). 2) Something... not nice. I'll rather not go to details about the second one, I actually don't want to approach thinking about the details. With a masochistic mind it takes effort just to keep away from it. Anyway, quite frustrating to watch episodes bound to end in a way that leave the viewer feeling trapped with desperation for which a resolution is weeks away. |
Dec 6, 2020 5:07 PM
#152
random_weirdo said: astroprogs said: I'm not gonna lie, if I was a newcomer who's watched this scene and then it was revealed later that Satoko was faking it, I'd be unbelievably pissed and drop the show on the spot. Veteran viewers already experienced this situation and saw it get resolved, so they're way more open to this kind of diversion of expectations. Newcomers would see it as a cheap insult to real-life child abuse situations, and they'd be absolutely correct in thinking that way. So yeah, I really hope that the theory of Satoko faking it is dead wrong. Ngl, as an old watcher I will also feel pissed if it turns out Satoko's reaction was fake. Using something as serious as child abuse to make yourself the victim and get other people to act a certain way is beyond sick. Besides, how do you fake vomit? It's not like faking tears exactly. I think the slap to the hand before Keiichi had patted her is a bad creative decision, that's all. What's infinitely more disturbing is Rika's reaction to the breakdown. No matter how many worlds she went through, Satoko's pain always affected her very badly. But here she just stands there, poker faced. I'm really worried about Rika's sanity right now :( An abused character faking their abuse is something I don't see R07 ever doing as a writer, pretty much every time he talks about these issues he's doing it with great care and using his personal experience with dealing with abuse victims. I don't think it's a line he would ever cross. |
Dec 6, 2020 7:38 PM
#153
ssjokg said: random_weirdo said: astroprogs said: I'm not gonna lie, if I was a newcomer who's watched this scene and then it was revealed later that Satoko was faking it, I'd be unbelievably pissed and drop the show on the spot. Veteran viewers already experienced this situation and saw it get resolved, so they're way more open to this kind of diversion of expectations. Newcomers would see it as a cheap insult to real-life child abuse situations, and they'd be absolutely correct in thinking that way. So yeah, I really hope that the theory of Satoko faking it is dead wrong. Ngl, as an old watcher I will also feel pissed if it turns out Satoko's reaction was fake. Using something as serious as child abuse to make yourself the victim and get other people to act a certain way is beyond sick. Besides, how do you fake vomit? It's not like faking tears exactly. I think the slap to the hand before Keiichi had patted her is a bad creative decision, that's all. What's infinitely more disturbing is Rika's reaction to the breakdown. No matter how many worlds she went through, Satoko's pain always affected her very badly. But here she just stands there, poker faced. I'm really worried about Rika's sanity right now :( It is actually very easy to "fake" vomiting by preparing yourself beforehand by coughing non stop for a while. After that you have the feeling of wanting to vomit for a while and you will if you force yourself.And yes eating during that time is a very bad(or good if it was planned)idea. As for faking, Satoko IS a victim of abuse, the question if why would she fake it...if she is faking it at all. We have seen worse tbh in When They Cry, like Sayo/Beatrice literally using her disorders both for motive and methods. Damn, never knew that. Not that I will try it anyway, lol. Yep, you make a good point. I still think it would be ooc for Satoko and hope it doesn't come to that, but there is a precedent after all. Tsukumo_Yuuma said: random_weirdo said: Ngl, as an old watcher I will also feel pissed if it turns out Satoko's reaction was fake. Using something as serious as child abuse to make yourself the victim and get other people to act a certain way is beyond sick. Besides, how do you fake vomit? It's not like faking tears exactly. I think the slap to the hand before Keiichi had patted her is a bad creative decision, that's all. What's infinitely more disturbing is Rika's reaction to the breakdown. No matter how many worlds she went through, Satoko's pain always affected her very badly. But here she just stands there, poker faced. I'm really worried about Rika's sanity right now :( For me it's not because of her slapping his hand before he touched her, it's not bad and she immediately slap his hand in the VN too (well, after he touched but i don't think it's a big difference), what was weird was the voice acting for me, like the VA was trying to make her sound like she's acting + Satoko's behavior is suspicious from the last episode in Watadamashi. Yeah, I also felt the VA was way over the top, but could it be she was directed to act that way to hit newcomers harder? But I agree that her behaviour from ep. 8 was extremely suspicious, also how it was Rena's idea to call Keiichi to the baseball game while Satoko won it by herself could mean she's acting differently (or that may just be me overthinking haha). Edit: also wanted to add that the only people who think the VA is overacting are old fans... new viewers seem to be moved by it and think it's appropriate with the abuse she is receiving at home. And as this is meant to be understood by new watchers, I think the implication that she is faking it should be obvious to them too. Tsukumo_Yuuma said: random_weirdo said: Or the infamous scene at the end of Onidamashi where Mion is telling Keiichi about Rena, Rika and Satoko's deaths. Her expression was so :| that many old viewers were theorizing it was actually Shion because there was no way Mion would remain that calm while talking about the death of her friend group. I actually liked that scene lol, the VA did a good job making Mion's voice sound sad but like she's trying to keep her sadness inside and show that she's okay and strong in front of the injured Keiichi, i thought her face was like that to reflect that. That's how Mion is, she always tries to show that she's strong but she's actually weak in this kind of situations (maybe this's a weird explanation but that's how i saw it). In the manga there's no voice acting to rely on so he had to make her look sad to reflect her emotions. Tbh, that's exactly what I thought when I first saw it: it's Mion trying to be strong for Keiichi. Mion's not one to go crying, especially as the heir of a yakuza family (she only cries when K1 hurts her on a personal level). But after seeing so many people having that theory that it was Shion, I do wish they had at least given her droopy eyes or something to convey her sadness, sort of how she looked in the OG anime's Minagoroshi when the child support services were not listening about Satoko's abuse. Mion's VA has only improved with time. That scene at the end of Onidamashi and her voice acting at the end of Watadamashi have been top tier. |
random_weirdoDec 6, 2020 7:56 PM
Dec 6, 2020 7:50 PM
#154
rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: Talking about Rika's reactions, that scene where everyone's waiting for Chie to come back from Teppei's house, everyone upset, and then you can see Rika in the background sitting at the stairs in fetal position, to me that was the lowest. It was really sad to see her like that.astroprogs said: I'm not gonna lie, if I was a newcomer who's watched this scene and then it was revealed later that Satoko was faking it, I'd be unbelievably pissed and drop the show on the spot. Veteran viewers already experienced this situation and saw it get resolved, so they're way more open to this kind of diversion of expectations. Newcomers would see it as a cheap insult to real-life child abuse situations, and they'd be absolutely correct in thinking that way. So yeah, I really hope that the theory of Satoko faking it is dead wrong. Ngl, as an old watcher I will also feel pissed if it turns out Satoko's reaction was fake. Using something as serious as child abuse to make yourself the victim and get other people to act a certain way is beyond sick. Besides, how do you fake vomit? It's not like faking tears exactly. I think the slap to the hand before Keiichi had patted her is a bad creative decision, that's all. What's infinitely more disturbing is Rika's reaction to the breakdown. No matter how many worlds she went through, Satoko's pain always affected her very badly. But here she just stands there, poker faced. I'm really worried about Rika's sanity right now :( That broke me too. I really wanted to go and give her a hug. But at least that's showing some emotion, it shows that Rika is feeling how she should be feeling. But that nothingness in the end... absolutely heartbreaking to see her so desensitized. rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. |
Dec 6, 2020 7:51 PM
#155
Wow, that ending had me in tears :'( A little to close to home.. |
Dec 6, 2020 8:01 PM
#156
Jin_uzuki said: random_weirdo said: astroprogs said: I'm not gonna lie, if I was a newcomer who's watched this scene and then it was revealed later that Satoko was faking it, I'd be unbelievably pissed and drop the show on the spot. Veteran viewers already experienced this situation and saw it get resolved, so they're way more open to this kind of diversion of expectations. Newcomers would see it as a cheap insult to real-life child abuse situations, and they'd be absolutely correct in thinking that way. So yeah, I really hope that the theory of Satoko faking it is dead wrong. Ngl, as an old watcher I will also feel pissed if it turns out Satoko's reaction was fake. Using something as serious as child abuse to make yourself the victim and get other people to act a certain way is beyond sick. Besides, how do you fake vomit? It's not like faking tears exactly. I think the slap to the hand before Keiichi had patted her is a bad creative decision, that's all. What's infinitely more disturbing is Rika's reaction to the breakdown. No matter how many worlds she went through, Satoko's pain always affected her very badly. But here she just stands there, poker faced. I'm really worried about Rika's sanity right now :( An abused character faking their abuse is something I don't see R07 ever doing as a writer, pretty much every time he talks about these issues he's doing it with great care and using his personal experience with dealing with abuse victims. I don't think it's a line he would ever cross. Ditto. It would be extremely unrespectful and cynical. And what would be the purpose of it? If you want to establish Satoko as suspicious or being a looper, you can do it in so many other ways (like ep. 8). It would be unnecessary and offensive to real abuse victims who suffer breakdowns. |
Dec 6, 2020 9:02 PM
#157
random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. |
Dec 6, 2020 10:39 PM
#158
So I didnt really notice any changes from the original arc yet. And I am confused by how Rika is acting in this one. Since she is acting exactly the same as in Tatarigoroshi, and I dont understand why she is not acting differently if she has already been through this before and knows where it leads and how they can stop it. But clearly this is happening after Tatarigoroshi since Keiichi dreamt of how he killed Teppei in Tatarigoroshi.... so i am just really confused with how Rika is acting so normal. I wonder where this will change up. Usually it seems like there is a little nuance that ends up drastically changing things, but i havent noticed one yet here. |
Dec 7, 2020 5:01 AM
#159
looks like it's only a matter of time before K1 explodes.. uncle's days are numbered. lol |
Dec 7, 2020 7:43 PM
#160
rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. Sorry if I'm not exactly on the loop and missunderstood something, but anyway. Pretty sure that Kyouki has been in Higurashi since Deen time and that it is composed by Kenji Kawai. Kai VN (OG) does have same named song, but it's completely different. (Kyouki just means Madness/Weapon or something, so it fits the themes anyway) What comes to the anime using the VN tracks, I doubt it. Can't say for 100% cause I've listened both of them quite a bit and might mix them up, but haven't noticed anything that sounds like it was from the VNs. Now then if we Mangagamer ost, to that I'd say absolute no. Opinion: Fuck Mangagamer. I don't remember much about this Steam VN patch, but I'm pretty sure they didn't turn it into Mangagamer ost (atleast back when this happened and I was playing them) rather they "remastered" certain songs which just sounded worse... And removed the fuck out of Digital Network :( |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Dec 7, 2020 8:05 PM
#161
Hulio said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original".rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. Sorry if I'm not exactly on the loop and missunderstood something, but anyway. Pretty sure that Kyouki has been in Higurashi since Deen time and that it is composed by Kenji Kawai. Kai VN (OG) does have same named song, but it's completely different. (Kyouki just means Madness/Weapon or something, so it fits the themes anyway) What comes to the anime using the VN tracks, I doubt it. Can't say for 100% cause I've listened both of them quite a bit and might mix them up, but haven't noticed anything that sounds like it was from the VNs. Now then if we Mangagamer ost, to that I'd say absolute no. Opinion: Fuck Mangagamer. I don't remember much about this Steam VN patch, but I'm pretty sure they didn't turn it into Mangagamer ost (atleast back when this happened and I was playing them) rather they "remastered" certain songs which just sounded worse... And removed the fuck out of Digital Network :( Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. |
rafaelfserafimDec 7, 2020 8:11 PM
Dec 7, 2020 8:11 PM
#162
In the original Higurashi i found Satoko to be annoying and an unwelcome addition to the group. This event is relative to the original, even so, I've never had such a strong 'protect complex' reaction before. Seeing a child display signs of post traumatic stress brought on by the simplest of triggers makes me feel utterly and incomprehensibly uncomfortable. The abused, depressed and vulnerable will put up a strong facade claiming to be alright but it only takes one misstep, usually the one they don't expect, to have their walls come crashing down. |
Lie until what you want to be true becomes truth. Lie until you can't remember what's a lie and what isn't. Lie until you aren't lying anymore! Figures |
Dec 7, 2020 8:30 PM
#163
rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. |
Dec 7, 2020 9:20 PM
#164
random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Rina's only mentioned in Tatarigoroshi's TIPS, in the anime it's so fast that I even mistook for Satoshi - I think I paused after being jumpscared, but I didn't slow it down to notice the star tattoo, and I wouldn't even have a hint of who was. I saw a blond-ish hair (bad ilumination) and assumed it was Satoshi. I thought that this time he wouldn't be missing and they would've found his body instead. But in the end Rina's body wasn't even mentioned in the anime. I also hope that he gets the worst, but considering the black blob on Rena's assault scene, they can't go really far on an anime. I.e., Rika killing herself on Meakashi in the manga is savage, they couldn't show that much on tv. They say Higurashi is already gory, but if it wasn't for censorship, there would be a lot of really heavy moments to digest, such as Rika's body in Furude's grounds. But I really think I'm overexpecting what will happen, unfortunally. I mean, the expectation is something more bizarre than Tatarigoroshi, but that's really hard to accomplish. |
Dec 8, 2020 12:08 PM
#165
rafaelfserafim said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original". Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. Yeah, one day they just ran a patch (tbh I think it was april fools day), people the heck was this joke and just waited waited but it never got reversed. No options to change, beside mod it/replace the files. I at one time listened a bit these manga gamer BGMs on youtube and damn they're so different and don't fit anything in comparison ._. (Not talking of the patch but the "OG Mangagamer OST") random_weirdo said: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Pretty sure that Steam Release, upon the patch switched up some stuff. This song definitely was in the OG Bgm, but it was a Kai track. The patch replaced some of the question arc tracks with the "better quality" Kai tracks. And yeah there's no need for the anime to us the VN tracks, but there is some which would be very nice to hear. Then again, don't know how they would fit overall with the other anime bgms. |
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Dec 8, 2020 12:20 PM
#166
Hulio said: rafaelfserafim said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original". Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. Yeah, one day they just ran a patch (tbh I think it was april fools day), people the heck was this joke and just waited waited but it never got reversed. No options to change, beside mod it/replace the files. I at one time listened a bit these manga gamer BGMs on youtube and damn they're so different and don't fit anything in comparison ._. (Not talking of the patch but the "OG Mangagamer OST") random_weirdo said: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Pretty sure that Steam Release, upon the patch switched up some stuff. This song definitely was in the OG Bgm, but it was a Kai track. The patch replaced some of the question arc tracks with the "better quality" Kai tracks. And yeah there's no need for the anime to us the VN tracks, but there is some which would be very nice to hear. Then again, don't know how they would fit overall with the other anime bgms. Is there a fan patch to reverse the change to og tracks? |
Dec 8, 2020 1:23 PM
#167
ssjokg said: Well, the 7th-mod kind of does that, but not entirely. They say the files in the steam aka mangagamer version are different, so you can't backtrack completely to the original VN.Hulio said: rafaelfserafim said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original". Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. Yeah, one day they just ran a patch (tbh I think it was april fools day), people the heck was this joke and just waited waited but it never got reversed. No options to change, beside mod it/replace the files. I at one time listened a bit these manga gamer BGMs on youtube and damn they're so different and don't fit anything in comparison ._. (Not talking of the patch but the "OG Mangagamer OST") random_weirdo said: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Pretty sure that Steam Release, upon the patch switched up some stuff. This song definitely was in the OG Bgm, but it was a Kai track. The patch replaced some of the question arc tracks with the "better quality" Kai tracks. And yeah there's no need for the anime to us the VN tracks, but there is some which would be very nice to hear. Then again, don't know how they would fit overall with the other anime bgms. Is there a fan patch to reverse the change to og tracks? Still, I used the patch in the question arcs, chose not to install the remastered tracks, and I think it was fine. I don't think everything was reversed, so maybe I didn't get the original experience in a few parts, like the beginning of Tatarigoroshi, but for most of it, it did. One thing I liked, believe me, is the original background, now if you swap to the original sprites pressing P, it has the original background too. The only thing I don't like in the original art is the hands. Apart from that, I like both Higurashi's and Umineko's original arts. I disliked at first, but after using for a while I got used to it. I never disliked Unimeko's though, I find it funny because they're relatives and their umineko faces make them even more alike. |
rafaelfserafimDec 8, 2020 1:36 PM
Dec 8, 2020 2:04 PM
#168
ssjokg said: Hulio said: rafaelfserafim said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original". Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. Yeah, one day they just ran a patch (tbh I think it was april fools day), people the heck was this joke and just waited waited but it never got reversed. No options to change, beside mod it/replace the files. I at one time listened a bit these manga gamer BGMs on youtube and damn they're so different and don't fit anything in comparison ._. (Not talking of the patch but the "OG Mangagamer OST") random_weirdo said: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Pretty sure that Steam Release, upon the patch switched up some stuff. This song definitely was in the OG Bgm, but it was a Kai track. The patch replaced some of the question arc tracks with the "better quality" Kai tracks. And yeah there's no need for the anime to us the VN tracks, but there is some which would be very nice to hear. Then again, don't know how they would fit overall with the other anime bgms. Is there a fan patch to reverse the change to og tracks? Like mentioned above, 7th mod should have many levels of patching options. Didn't use them for Higurashi back in the day so can only guess for that, but they worked well for my Umineko Answer arcs. Friend suggested I'd throw in the voice patch, and haven't been disappointed so far. Tho at start it felt a LOT different. Can safely say Battler and Beato sounded like nothing I expected :D |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Dec 8, 2020 2:08 PM
#169
Hulio said: ssjokg said: Hulio said: rafaelfserafim said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original". Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. Yeah, one day they just ran a patch (tbh I think it was april fools day), people the heck was this joke and just waited waited but it never got reversed. No options to change, beside mod it/replace the files. I at one time listened a bit these manga gamer BGMs on youtube and damn they're so different and don't fit anything in comparison ._. (Not talking of the patch but the "OG Mangagamer OST") random_weirdo said: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Pretty sure that Steam Release, upon the patch switched up some stuff. This song definitely was in the OG Bgm, but it was a Kai track. The patch replaced some of the question arc tracks with the "better quality" Kai tracks. And yeah there's no need for the anime to us the VN tracks, but there is some which would be very nice to hear. Then again, don't know how they would fit overall with the other anime bgms. Is there a fan patch to reverse the change to og tracks? Like mentioned above, 7th mod should have many levels of patching options. Didn't use them for Higurashi back in the day so can only guess for that, but they worked well for my Umineko Answer arcs. Friend suggested I'd throw in the voice patch, and haven't been disappointed so far. Tho at start it felt a LOT different. Can safely say Battler and Beato sounded like nothing I expected :D I watched the anime before reading Umineko(also read it all before the first ps3 patch was even a thing) so it didn't feel weird at all. Not sure what people imagined of them before, lol. But I was surprised by Ohara's voice range cause I only really noticed her acting as Irisviel in Fate Zero before. |
Dec 8, 2020 5:44 PM
#170
wat da hell!? Satoko suddenly went insane nuts!!! 5/5. |
Dec 8, 2020 6:38 PM
#171
rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Rina's only mentioned in Tatarigoroshi's TIPS, in the anime it's so fast that I even mistook for Satoshi - I think I paused after being jumpscared, but I didn't slow it down to notice the star tattoo, and I wouldn't even have a hint of who was. I saw a blond-ish hair (bad ilumination) and assumed it was Satoshi. I thought that this time he wouldn't be missing and they would've found his body instead. But in the end Rina's body wasn't even mentioned in the anime. I also hope that he gets the worst, but considering the black blob on Rena's assault scene, they can't go really far on an anime. I.e., Rika killing herself on Meakashi in the manga is savage, they couldn't show that much on tv. They say Higurashi is already gory, but if it wasn't for censorship, there would be a lot of really heavy moments to digest, such as Rika's body in Furude's grounds. But I really think I'm overexpecting what will happen, unfortunally. I mean, the expectation is something more bizarre than Tatarigoroshi, but that's really hard to accomplish. Yep, for some reason I wrote she was never identified, but I meant to say "as Teppei's gf", it's just that I forgot to add that last part in lol. So in the OG VN you know that a Ritsuko chick died very gruesomely, but then it is never brought up again and Teppei going back seems disconnected. In Tsumihoroboshi the reader starts to suspect, but until Minagoroshi it isn't confirmed that Rika's death caused Teppei to bail and get back to Hinamizawa. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, sometimes I just have this idea in my mind and then speak or write assuming that everyone else knows the context lol. Mistaking Rina for Satoshi in the anime is a first, but it's not surprising. I've seen many people think the body was Keiichi's, with one person even thinking Mion did kill him in the hospital during Watanagashi and his body had just been found. At least your supposition doesn't defy the laws of arcs and looping haha. Hmmm, you're right about Teppei's death being underwhelming with the censorship going on. Although I believe the blobs are just for TV censorship and when the Blu-ray version comes out there will be no blobs, so there is still some hope. I personally only watched the OG anime 2 or 3 years ago so it was well past its emission time, but it may well be that when it was broadcast in 2006, it also had some sort of censorship going on that was removed when the DVD version became available. |
Dec 8, 2020 6:44 PM
#172
Hulio said: rafaelfserafim said: So yeah, I guess I was wrong. Imo those remasters really suck, at least now you have the option to choose between the remastered or keep the original track. And I'm really glad that I thought "I don't like remasters, I want to hear the original". Again, fuck mangagamer, I mean, really. What a stupid idea to replace Digital Network to some Higurashi Daybreak bgm. At least it can be reversed now, the way you say it, it seems you couldn't before. Yeah, one day they just ran a patch (tbh I think it was april fools day), people the heck was this joke and just waited waited but it never got reversed. No options to change, beside mod it/replace the files. I at one time listened a bit these manga gamer BGMs on youtube and damn they're so different and don't fit anything in comparison ._. (Not talking of the patch but the "OG Mangagamer OST") random_weirdo said: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Pretty sure that Steam Release, upon the patch switched up some stuff. This song definitely was in the OG Bgm, but it was a Kai track. The patch replaced some of the question arc tracks with the "better quality" Kai tracks. And yeah there's no need for the anime to us the VN tracks, but there is some which would be very nice to hear. Then again, don't know how they would fit overall with the other anime bgms. Yep, I distinctly remember that track playing during some Rena scenes in Tsumihoroboshi and it was chilling. I don't recall it appearing during the question arcs, though. Well, I do remember Kenji Kawai adapted "Sword of Promised Victory" into the Fate/Stay Night anime, and then Yuki Kajiura adapted it again for Fate/Zero, and to be honest both versions rock and don't feel out of place compared to the rest of both soundtracks. So I hope that at the very least they incorporate the "You" leitmotif and that Kenji Kawai adapts it to fit more the style of the anime soundtrack. But I don't think it's going to happen. |
Dec 8, 2020 8:06 PM
#173
random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Rina's only mentioned in Tatarigoroshi's TIPS, in the anime it's so fast that I even mistook for Satoshi - I think I paused after being jumpscared, but I didn't slow it down to notice the star tattoo, and I wouldn't even have a hint of who was. I saw a blond-ish hair (bad ilumination) and assumed it was Satoshi. I thought that this time he wouldn't be missing and they would've found his body instead. But in the end Rina's body wasn't even mentioned in the anime. I also hope that he gets the worst, but considering the black blob on Rena's assault scene, they can't go really far on an anime. I.e., Rika killing herself on Meakashi in the manga is savage, they couldn't show that much on tv. They say Higurashi is already gory, but if it wasn't for censorship, there would be a lot of really heavy moments to digest, such as Rika's body in Furude's grounds. But I really think I'm overexpecting what will happen, unfortunally. I mean, the expectation is something more bizarre than Tatarigoroshi, but that's really hard to accomplish. Yep, for some reason I wrote she was never identified, but I meant to say "as Teppei's gf", it's just that I forgot to add that last part in lol. So in the OG VN you know that a Ritsuko chick died very gruesomely, but then it is never brought up again and Teppei going back seems disconnected. In Tsumihoroboshi the reader starts to suspect, but until Minagoroshi it isn't confirmed that Rika's death caused Teppei to bail and get back to Hinamizawa. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, sometimes I just have this idea in my mind and then speak or write assuming that everyone else knows the context lol. Mistaking Rina for Satoshi in the anime is a first, but it's not surprising. I've seen many people think the body was Keiichi's, with one person even thinking Mion did kill him in the hospital during Watanagashi and his body had just been found. At least your supposition doesn't defy the laws of arcs and looping haha. Hmmm, you're right about Teppei's death being underwhelming with the censorship going on. Although I believe the blobs are just for TV censorship and when the Blu-ray version comes out there will be no blobs, so there is still some hope. I personally only watched the OG anime 2 or 3 years ago so it was well past its emission time, but it may well be that when it was broadcast in 2006, it also had some sort of censorship going on that was removed when the DVD version became available. I won't lie that at first I thought it was Keiichi, but then a light-colored hair Keiichi? Idk what could happen in decomposition to change the hair color. I think I started Tatarigoroshi and went to sleep after the jumpscare lol, but because I didn't have time to watch another full arc. But after seeing it again the next day, I thought of Satoshi. There was no clue whatsoever that it was Rina, she was never mentioned in anime's Tatarigoroshi. And I wouldn't notice the tattoo, because I didn't have the stomach to slowly watch those rotten entrails. |
Dec 9, 2020 1:38 PM
#174
random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Rina's only mentioned in Tatarigoroshi's TIPS, in the anime it's so fast that I even mistook for Satoshi - I think I paused after being jumpscared, but I didn't slow it down to notice the star tattoo, and I wouldn't even have a hint of who was. I saw a blond-ish hair (bad ilumination) and assumed it was Satoshi. I thought that this time he wouldn't be missing and they would've found his body instead. But in the end Rina's body wasn't even mentioned in the anime. I also hope that he gets the worst, but considering the black blob on Rena's assault scene, they can't go really far on an anime. I.e., Rika killing herself on Meakashi in the manga is savage, they couldn't show that much on tv. They say Higurashi is already gory, but if it wasn't for censorship, there would be a lot of really heavy moments to digest, such as Rika's body in Furude's grounds. But I really think I'm overexpecting what will happen, unfortunally. I mean, the expectation is something more bizarre than Tatarigoroshi, but that's really hard to accomplish. Yep, for some reason I wrote she was never identified, but I meant to say "as Teppei's gf", it's just that I forgot to add that last part in lol. So in the OG VN you know that a Ritsuko chick died very gruesomely, but then it is never brought up again and Teppei going back seems disconnected. In Tsumihoroboshi the reader starts to suspect, but until Minagoroshi it isn't confirmed that Rika's death caused Teppei to bail and get back to Hinamizawa. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, sometimes I just have this idea in my mind and then speak or write assuming that everyone else knows the context lol. Mistaking Rina for Satoshi in the anime is a first, but it's not surprising. I've seen many people think the body was Keiichi's, with one person even thinking Mion did kill him in the hospital during Watanagashi and his body had just been found. At least your supposition doesn't defy the laws of arcs and looping haha. Hmmm, you're right about Teppei's death being underwhelming with the censorship going on. Although I believe the blobs are just for TV censorship and when the Blu-ray version comes out there will be no blobs, so there is still some hope. I personally only watched the OG anime 2 or 3 years ago so it was well past its emission time, but it may well be that when it was broadcast in 2006, it also had some sort of censorship going on that was removed when the DVD version became available. I thought the nailed body was Uncle Kimiyoshi's when I first watched. He was the first one to disappear after all. There definitely was censoring on the Deen's version as well, but the treshold was on a completely different level - and they way they did it wasn't that obvious. The only instances which I remember being censored (as at one point I watched some clips on YT and noticed "waaait this isn't how I remember seeing this gore") were Ritsuko's and Teppei's faces after Rena pulverized them. There wasn't any weird stupid blobs like we've seen here, they were just shaded out with black - half of the face still kinda visible. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Dec 9, 2020 3:41 PM
#175
rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Rina's only mentioned in Tatarigoroshi's TIPS, in the anime it's so fast that I even mistook for Satoshi - I think I paused after being jumpscared, but I didn't slow it down to notice the star tattoo, and I wouldn't even have a hint of who was. I saw a blond-ish hair (bad ilumination) and assumed it was Satoshi. I thought that this time he wouldn't be missing and they would've found his body instead. But in the end Rina's body wasn't even mentioned in the anime. I also hope that he gets the worst, but considering the black blob on Rena's assault scene, they can't go really far on an anime. I.e., Rika killing herself on Meakashi in the manga is savage, they couldn't show that much on tv. They say Higurashi is already gory, but if it wasn't for censorship, there would be a lot of really heavy moments to digest, such as Rika's body in Furude's grounds. But I really think I'm overexpecting what will happen, unfortunally. I mean, the expectation is something more bizarre than Tatarigoroshi, but that's really hard to accomplish. Yep, for some reason I wrote she was never identified, but I meant to say "as Teppei's gf", it's just that I forgot to add that last part in lol. So in the OG VN you know that a Ritsuko chick died very gruesomely, but then it is never brought up again and Teppei going back seems disconnected. In Tsumihoroboshi the reader starts to suspect, but until Minagoroshi it isn't confirmed that Rika's death caused Teppei to bail and get back to Hinamizawa. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, sometimes I just have this idea in my mind and then speak or write assuming that everyone else knows the context lol. Mistaking Rina for Satoshi in the anime is a first, but it's not surprising. I've seen many people think the body was Keiichi's, with one person even thinking Mion did kill him in the hospital during Watanagashi and his body had just been found. At least your supposition doesn't defy the laws of arcs and looping haha. Hmmm, you're right about Teppei's death being underwhelming with the censorship going on. Although I believe the blobs are just for TV censorship and when the Blu-ray version comes out there will be no blobs, so there is still some hope. I personally only watched the OG anime 2 or 3 years ago so it was well past its emission time, but it may well be that when it was broadcast in 2006, it also had some sort of censorship going on that was removed when the DVD version became available. I won't lie that at first I thought it was Keiichi, but then a light-colored hair Keiichi? Idk what could happen in decomposition to change the hair color. I think I started Tatarigoroshi and went to sleep after the jumpscare lol, but because I didn't have time to watch another full arc. But after seeing it again the next day, I thought of Satoshi. There was no clue whatsoever that it was Rina, she was never mentioned in anime's Tatarigoroshi. And I wouldn't notice the tattoo, because I didn't have the stomach to slowly watch those rotten entrails. Afaik, nothing in decomposition can make you change hair color. And it's plausible that you could see pink hair as blond. As for me, I just thought it was a random person didn't put much thought into it. Hulio said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: rafaelfserafim said: random_weirdo said: I've noticed they've been using VN's bgm, but not the original ones, but the replaced by mangagamer ones instead. Idk if that's the case, I noticed because I was trying to find something else and ended up finding the bgm that plays when Rena is assaulting Keiichi in Onidamashi.herrickluk said: As an end note, Can I just say I loved the new OST they used for when Rika was waiting for Satoko at home. So good, can’t wait to find out the name! Agreed, it was beautiful and sad. I've seen most people shit on the music because they're reusing too many of the original tracks, but I haven't seen much appreciation for the new tracks, and they have been amazing. If only they used some original, in apropriate moments, for nostalgia's sake, that would be awesome. I'm not criticizing though, I don't think it's desynced at anytime. Especially the main theme, they're using it at the best moments to use it so far. Even though that dream from another kakera from Keiichi assaulting Teppei was short, it was quite an awesome way to start an episode. Murdering Teppei will always be awesome in Higurashi. He deserves it every freaking time. Seriously? I didn't notice that! Can you share the link to compare? I know some people have given shit to Mangagamer for replacing the tracks, but I heard it was a request from 07th expansion themselves. So it makes sense that they would prefer using these newer tracks. Anyway, I wouldn't notice it if they were the original ones because I've only read the steam versions, so I can only recognize those. I also love the new rendition of the main theme that they used at the end of Onidamashi. The best part of that episode. I also loved the track they used for Mion and Keiichi's talk in the underground cells - Shukumei, it was composed for the OG anime but never used for some unfathomable reason and it's one of my favorites. Yep, it was satisfying, especially if you consider that this may be the only taste of killing Teppei we're ever going to get in this series. Just like in Onidamashi we only got Keiichi killing Mion and Rena via flashbacks, I think it will be the same in this arc. I think Shion or Satoko may kill him, but it will be offscreen. At least if Shion kills him, we know she won't conform with a few strikes with a bat. She'll probably have prepared for him the choicest instruments in the fun, fun underground torture room to use them for their intended purpose for the first time. Imagine the irony if Teppei were to die in the cross, the same way Satoko died in Meakashi. If it were to happen, he would -O B L I T E R A T E- Satoko's uncle. Idk who will do it, but he still deserves the method that requires no value, just as his life. I didn't notice, but did anyone mention Rina (as Teppei's lover) at any point? I don't even know if she exists in this kakera. So Teppei's reasons to come back are different, the meds are probably the hint. No idea if it'll become relevant. We don't know why they're having these flashbacks, even though it happened before. I don't know if it'll change the course of actions this time. In Watadamashi, I suspect the one having flashbacks was "Mion". Since we're seeing it most of the time by Keiichi's perspective, nothing was shown. Their cause is unknown, unless if there's an explanation in VN answer arcs, like in Tsumihoroboshi. The track in question is Kyouki. It plays in the 2nd trailer and during Rena's stabs in Onidamashi. I'm trying to backtrack, but I have no idea how I got it related to the VN. I remember I was trying to find either dancers7 or demonic institute in the files, or their names on youtube. So there's a chance I'm mistaken, since they're using tracks from the old anime as well. There's a track with the same name in Meakashi files, but since I'm using the patch, it's probably back to the original one. And there was no reason for me to search there, because I haven't started Meakashi yet, I'm just about to, in the next days. Only if I played something before patching and by coincidence it was the one. The steam version, if you didn't patch it, has mangagamer's tracks. So if you didn't recognize any of them, I'm probably mistaken. There's a chance that the track was a leftover, but from the dates, it was probably used in the old anime. I don't know, Keiichi might have made a good argument for killing him with the least effort, but it's still more satisfying to kill him with the most suffering >: D I swear I'm not a torture freak, I just hate Teppei too much lol. Well, in the OG Tatarigoroshi Rina was never mentioned either... she was seen as a (very mutilated and savaged) corpse, but she was never identified until Tsumihoroboshi and confirmed until Minagoroshi, so I wouldn't say yet that she's out of the picture. However, I like that you bring up that this time Rina wasn't put to the front but Teppei's medications were, so I'm starting to think it could be the meds this time and not Rina too. I have a personal theory that the flashbacks are different from the ones in Minagoroshi. They are only appearing to one person and they're specifically about the biggest murders for each arc, unlike Mina where Keiichi got a flashback for eating ohagi. So I think this time around they're only appearing to the murderer in each arc to prevent them from committing their crime. It's not much to go on with and it's not a very factual theory, but the fact that Keiichi has them in two arcs where he is a killer and doesn't have them in the one where he didn't kill anyone leads me to believe that. According to my theory, then the one who got the flashbacks in Wata was Shion, but I believe Shion did at least kill Oryou and Kimiyoshi so maybe they only prevented her from killing Mion and Satoko? This is thin af lol, but it's fun to think about. Oooooh, yeah, now I know the one! That's a great track. It was indeed in the soundtrack of the original anime, but as far as I know it only appeared in the trailer for Kai. See 0:38 in this vid. I have no idea why it was never used in the anime proper, though. There are a couple of tracks in the soundtrack that aren't heard even once during the anime... what a loss. I'm glad with Gou for bringing two of the best and unused tracks from the old anime - Kyouki and Shukumei (the one I mentioned above that plays during K1 and Mion's talk in the dungeons). However, I don't recollect this specific rendition of Kyouki being played during the VNs. But digging around I found another track named Kyouki (Insanity) in the VN, and this one I recognized very easily: So mystery solved. Two tracks with the same name but different sounds. I don't know if this was in the original VN, but at least it was in the Steam releases I played. Edit: I don't really care if I don't see any track from the VNs in the anime... except for You. They really missed out on a great addition in the OG anime, I hope that this one uses it one way or another! It's easily the best track/leitmotif (as it's actually used in several different tracks) in the whole VNs. Rina's only mentioned in Tatarigoroshi's TIPS, in the anime it's so fast that I even mistook for Satoshi - I think I paused after being jumpscared, but I didn't slow it down to notice the star tattoo, and I wouldn't even have a hint of who was. I saw a blond-ish hair (bad ilumination) and assumed it was Satoshi. I thought that this time he wouldn't be missing and they would've found his body instead. But in the end Rina's body wasn't even mentioned in the anime. I also hope that he gets the worst, but considering the black blob on Rena's assault scene, they can't go really far on an anime. I.e., Rika killing herself on Meakashi in the manga is savage, they couldn't show that much on tv. They say Higurashi is already gory, but if it wasn't for censorship, there would be a lot of really heavy moments to digest, such as Rika's body in Furude's grounds. But I really think I'm overexpecting what will happen, unfortunally. I mean, the expectation is something more bizarre than Tatarigoroshi, but that's really hard to accomplish. Yep, for some reason I wrote she was never identified, but I meant to say "as Teppei's gf", it's just that I forgot to add that last part in lol. So in the OG VN you know that a Ritsuko chick died very gruesomely, but then it is never brought up again and Teppei going back seems disconnected. In Tsumihoroboshi the reader starts to suspect, but until Minagoroshi it isn't confirmed that Rika's death caused Teppei to bail and get back to Hinamizawa. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, sometimes I just have this idea in my mind and then speak or write assuming that everyone else knows the context lol. Mistaking Rina for Satoshi in the anime is a first, but it's not surprising. I've seen many people think the body was Keiichi's, with one person even thinking Mion did kill him in the hospital during Watanagashi and his body had just been found. At least your supposition doesn't defy the laws of arcs and looping haha. Hmmm, you're right about Teppei's death being underwhelming with the censorship going on. Although I believe the blobs are just for TV censorship and when the Blu-ray version comes out there will be no blobs, so there is still some hope. I personally only watched the OG anime 2 or 3 years ago so it was well past its emission time, but it may well be that when it was broadcast in 2006, it also had some sort of censorship going on that was removed when the DVD version became available. I thought the nailed body was Uncle Kimiyoshi's when I first watched. He was the first one to disappear after all. There definitely was censoring on the Deen's version as well, but the treshold was on a completely different level - and they way they did it wasn't that obvious. The only instances which I remember being censored (as at one point I watched some clips on YT and noticed "waaait this isn't how I remember seeing this gore") were Ritsuko's and Teppei's faces after Rena pulverized them. There wasn't any weird stupid blobs like we've seen here, they were just shaded out with black - half of the face still kinda visible. Uncle Kimiyoshi? Never heard that one before! That certainly seems to be better handled than the black holes in the middle of the scene. I mean, if you want so bad to censor a stab wound (which is neutralized by the sea of blood at the end of that scene), then do some trimming so that you can only see Rena stabbing from Keiichi's POV or something. They didn't have to do something so jarring. |
Dec 19, 2020 12:14 PM
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Jan 1, 2021 4:00 PM
#177
Jan 8, 2021 10:53 PM
#178
Jan 8, 2021 11:01 PM
#179
SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I don't exactly remember by what name he was called in original, but it was something similar.Ok. So, is the Ooishi part and him being called Oyashiro's familiar new? The breakdown scene with Satoko was just gut wrenching. I actually felt despair watching her. Also, what all things are different from Deen's adaptation in this episode? Ment in a sense of him being a bad luck omen bringing forth the curse. A bit like wherever is a detective, there is a crime. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Jan 9, 2021 12:05 AM
#180
Hulio said: Got it. Thanks for the clearance.SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I don't exactly remember by what name he was called in original, but it was something similar.Ok. So, is the Ooishi part and him being called Oyashiro's familiar new? The breakdown scene with Satoko was just gut wrenching. I actually felt despair watching her. Also, what all things are different from Deen's adaptation in this episode? Ment in a sense of him being a bad luck omen bringing forth the curse. A bit like wherever is a detective, there is a crime. |
Jan 13, 2021 4:39 PM
#181
Jan 29, 2021 2:13 AM
#182
Satoko's freaking out like that in front of her classmates is distressing. It could only mean she was abused bad enough that she looked like she lost her sanity. If I was one of her classmates, I would be terrified of her. Sad to say. |
She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
Dec 24, 2021 9:43 AM
#183
Satoko went bonkers from all the "training" her uncle subjected her to. hehe |
Jan 17, 2023 2:55 AM
#184
Satoko arc is definitely not one of my favorite ones. |
Dec 5, 2023 4:34 PM
#185
Alright, despite not having many changes here... Rika's straight face during Satoko's meltdown was suspicious to say the least. Also, the Satoko's arc... is where I feel real psychological horror begins. |
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